Major Sanctuary Update

[Spectre]

Why would you want that the whole reason for thanks is to show what ava awesome poster you are...

Because it leads to reputation spam and circle jerking.

That was never a significant issue on Zoklet, the site from which the vast bulk of the userbase is derived.

Do you think its reasonable to suspect the real reason you don't want a thanks feature, particularly one with a total thanks count, is because of the possible embarrassment of the most thanked people on here being the ones who routinely call you [insert insult involving you being involved in moronism/mormonism/arousal by transsexuals/dragonfaggotry/lying to the userbase/etc...] and generally object to, and point out the flaws in, the way this place is run?

bingo bango bongo you've hit the nail on the head

[Lanny]

[insert insult involving you being involved in moronism/mormonism/arousal by transsexuals/dragonfaggotry/lying to the userbase/etc...]

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[Slave of the Beast]

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This Choose-You-Own-Insult adventure, with 27 possible endings, has been brought to you by SotB

A mere shadow of your teflon-coated shitposts, by I appreciate your acknowledgement.

[Michael Myers]

SotB suffers from autism.

 

[Arnox]

Why would you want that the whole reason for thanks is to show what ava awesome poster you are...

Because it leads to reputation spam and circle jerking.

That was never a significant issue on Zoklet, the site from which the vast bulk of the userbase is derived.

Do you think its reasonable to suspect the real reason you don't want a thanks feature, particularly one with a total thanks count, is because of the possible embarrassment of the most thanked people on here being the ones who routinely call you [insert insult involving you being involved in moronism/mormonism/arousal by transsexuals/dragonfaggotry/lying to the userbase/etc...] and generally object to, and point out the flaws in, the way this place is run?

No?

Fine, let's explore the (many) other reasons then.

What it leads to is friends upvoting each other just because they're friends, funny posts getting thanked instead of the more smart and thoughtful posts, posts getting upvoted because it tells people what they want to hear instead of what they should be hearing, and posts deserving of upvotes not getting them simply because they're on the last page of posts and some users TL;DRing all posts past the first or second pages. Not to mention the small amounts of drama it causes when someone gets a lot of or all the upvotes and another doesn't, no matter how intelligent or well they conduct themselves simply because of something that happened in the past and people are holding a grudge...

[Slave of the Beast]

Why would you want that the whole reason for thanks is to show what ava awesome poster you are...

Because it leads to reputation spam and circle jerking.

That was never a significant issue on Zoklet, the site from which the vast bulk of the userbase is derived.

Do you think its reasonable to suspect the real reason you don't want a thanks feature, particularly one with a total thanks count, is because of the possible embarrassment of the most thanked people on here being the ones who routinely call you [insert insult involving you being involved in moronism/mormonism/arousal by transsexuals/dragonfaggotry/lying to the userbase/etc...] and generally object to, and point out the flaws in, the way this place is run?

No?

Fine, let's explore the (many) other reasons then.

What it leads to is friends upvoting each other just because they're friends, funny posts getting thanked instead of the more smart and thoughtful posts, posts getting upvoted because it tells people what they want to hear instead of what they should be hearing, and posts deserving of upvotes not getting them simply because they're on the last page of posts and some users TL;DRing all posts past the first or second pages. Not to mention the small amounts of drama it causes when someone gets a lot of or all the upvotes and another doesn't, no matter how intelligent or well they conduct themselves simply because of something that happened in the past and people are holding a grudge...

Again, unless I missed something, none of that was a signifcant issue on Zoklet.

I thought the system was gimmicky but I'm not going to lie and say it caused problems.

[Arnox]

I thought the system was gimmicky but I'm not going to lie and say it caused problems.

Well, of course it's not going to directly cause problems but it contributes toward a bad posting environment.

[Slave of the Beast]

I thought the system was gimmicky but I'm not going to lie and say it caused problems.

Well, of course it's not going to directly cause problems but it contributes toward a bad posting environment.

With specific reference to this userbase upon what evidence do you base that statement?

[Arnox]

With specific reference to this userbase upon what evidence do you base that statement?

Pretty much every forum with a rep system?

And if we're going to play that card, where's your evidence that the Thanks system on Zoklet DIDN'T contribute toward a bad posting environment?

[Slave of the Beast]

With specific reference to this userbase upon what evidence do you base that statement?

Pretty much every forum with a rep system?

Your response here is a distraction, not an answer to my question.

Well, of course it's not going to directly cause problems but it contributes toward a bad posting environment.

And if we're going to play that card, where's your evidence that the Thanks system on Zoklet DIDN'T contribute toward a bad posting environment?

There is no "card" Arnox. It's your claim; the burden of proof is not on me. The only way you can substantiate what you've said is by comparison, i.e. were there any quantitative differences in userbase behaviour before and after the thanks system was implemented on Zoklet, the site from which this userbase is derived.

If you can't do that just say so.

[Arnox]

There is no "card" Arnox. It's your claim; the burden of proof is not on me.

Actually, yes it is, because I'm not the one who wants a rep system. And in any case, your question is utterly ridiculous, asking for a complete psychosocial breakdown of the effects of the Thanks system. Nobody has that.

I've been on a lot of sites with rep systems again and the only ones I found to be any good at all were the ones where they didn't count the total number of thanks or thumbs or whatever one has in total on the site.

Now, can I prove that completely? No. Just as you cannot prove completely that a Thanks system doesn't impact the community for the worse.

[Slave of the Beast]

I thought the system was gimmicky but I'm not going to lie and say it caused problems.

There is no "card" Arnox. It's your claim; the burden of proof is not on me.

Actually, yes it is, because I'm not the one who wants a rep system.

Oh, really. Did my ringing endorsement of the system give you that impression?

You're in danger of relapsing into your mendacious ways, Arnox. You can't refute a burden of proof with a false premise; offering an opinion and expressing a desire or "wants" is not the same thing.

And in any case, your question is utterly ridiculous, asking for a complete psychosocial breakdown of the effects of the Thanks system. Nobody has that.

I've been on a lot of sites with rep systems again and the only ones I found to be any good at all were the ones where they didn't count the total number of thanks or thumbs or whatever one has in total on the site.

Now, can I prove that completely? No. Just as you cannot prove completely that a Thanks system doesn't impact the community for the worse.

"...complete psychosocial breakdown..."? Pfft... in other words you weren't on Zoklet so have no valid opinion on the effects, if any, the thanks system had on the general posting habits of the Zoklet userbase. Unlike the people who were on Zoklet and say they noticed no detrimental effect that could specifically be linked back to the thanks system. If it was so bloody terrible Zok would have removed it like he did with the much-abused rep' system; but he didn't. Besides, if it clearly did go to shit you could just switch the damned thing off and tell me I'm an idiot. 

This appears to be more about a fearful and easily-bruised ego rather than any doubt over a thanks system.

[Arnox]

I thought the system was gimmicky but I'm not going to lie and say it caused problems.

There is no "card" Arnox. It's your claim; the burden of proof is not on me.

Actually, yes it is, because I'm not the one who wants a rep system.

Oh, really. Did my ringing endorsement of the system give you that impression?

You're in danger of relapsing into your mendacious ways, Arnox. You can't refute a burden of proof with a false premise; offering an opinion and expressing a desire or "wants" is not the same thing.

And in any case, your question is utterly ridiculous, asking for a complete psychosocial breakdown of the effects of the Thanks system. Nobody has that.

I've been on a lot of sites with rep systems again and the only ones I found to be any good at all were the ones where they didn't count the total number of thanks or thumbs or whatever one has in total on the site.

Now, can I prove that completely? No. Just as you cannot prove completely that a Thanks system doesn't impact the community for the worse.

"...complete psychosocial breakdown..."? Pfft... in other words you weren't on Zoklet so have no valid opinion on the effects, if any, the thanks system had on the general posting habits of the Zoklet userbase. Unlike the people who were on Zoklet and say they noticed no detrimental effect that could specifically be linked back to the thanks system. If it was so bloody terrible Zok would have removed it like he did with the much-abused rep' system; but he didn't. Besides, if it clearly did go to shit you could just switch the damned thing off and tell me I'm an idiot. 

This appears to be more about a fearful and easily-bruised ego rather than any doubt over a thanks system.

Oh I completely forgot to say. Totse2 had a rep system. And then we took out because it led to (surprise surprise) circle-jerking and rep abuse. Ask Spectre about it if you like.

And actually, the general consensus (even from you I think) seems to be that Zoklet was terrible and poorly managed and run. Are you saying now that Zok had the right idea?

And even FURTHER, others here DID NOT want it at all. Admittedly, it was less than the people who did but I already tried finding a Thanks system for us and I couldn't so it's not like I didn't try.

[Max Headroom]

yet no thanks button
 

[Idiosyncrasy]

Totse2's rep system did fail, I will say that. But we had the option for negative rep. People only really complained when they were undeservedly spammed with neg rep, and then I had to go fix it.

As for a system with only positive "rep," or thanks, I'm not sure many people would complain. The upside is it would "encourage" people to post in a manner that is consistent with the majority of the userbase.

After thinking about it, there aren't many downsides. I didn't post a whole lot on Zoklet, but I ended there with 11 likes I think. I didn't give a hoot because I went there to post, not get a merit badge. For those who get off on it, so be it.

We could just try it. If it fails, then remove it.

Sometimes we gotta do things we don't want to do, just to keep our customers happy.