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[DaGuru]

DaGuru, please.  Arnox's sole purpose in life is not to respond to your complaints.  And the person you should want to speak to about this is me, not him.  Arnox didn't do anything so please leave him out of this drama.  I'll look up the relevant threads and start writing my response to RisiR now.

You aren't going to search for a god-damn thing. This is just another way for you to attention whore and PLAY MORE GAMES. Wanna prove your sincerity? Then go clean up the fuckin thread I just provided for you. I DARE YOU TO! If you had even an ounce of integrity, maturity and some level of "professionalism" (that trait Arnox USED to talk about as a 'requisite' for being a moderator, but constantly continues to avoid any more) you would DO THE RIGHT THING, and remove every single one of your posts from that thread. But you won't, because you are just a toxic troll...nothing more.

As for Arnox, this very much IS about him. Because he wants to spew all this empty bullshit about "fresh starts" and people building the community together, and in the end he's just a dismissive little cunt. People keep subtly wanting to talk about your presence here, but never touches it. Finally, when multiple people on a thread keep asking him..."what about Zek, what about Zek, what about Zek?.....he has the audacity to claim he's been down that road already, and spews the same wishy washy irrelevant bullshit about people being "nice".

There's an old saying..."don't piss on my leg, and tell me its raining". And that is EXACTLY what Arnox is doing in regard to avoiding any conversation about Equanimity/Zek. He's pissing all over the userbase and the website as a whole, and trying to tell us its really champagne falling out of the sky. Bullshit, just more idiocy and nonsense...which seems to be par for the course and what this place REALLY "is all about".

[Arnox]

You people want evidence? Here's your fuckin evidence.....consider it Exhibit "A"...

http://www.intosanctuary.com/index.php?topic=2047.0

That is a thread that is SUPPOSED to be about weapons and tactics. But of course Zek has to come in and spend SEVERAL PAGES

Actually, what it originally started with is equanimity stating (correctly) that most people would probably never need to use that information. That was about it. Then you guys (the superior self-proclaimed master-race users) wouldn't let that go. For several pages.

So who REALLY wrecked that thread?

As to RisiR's name change, eh must have read the threads wrong I suppose. I wasn't there when the drama actually started happening.

[DaGuru]

Actually, what it originally started with is equanimity stating (correctly) that most people would probably never need to use that information. That was about it. Then you guys (the superior self-proclaimed master-race users) wouldn't let that go. For several pages.

So who REALLY wrecked that thread?

As to RisiR's name change, eh must have read the threads wrong I suppose. I wasn't there when the drama actually started happening.

You are an utter and complete idiot. All you've done with this "explanation" is prove you don't have any care or concern about the quality of this forum. You are more worried about Zek's feelings and your ridiculous decision to mod him, then you are about other people's experiences or having any kind of thread or section integrity. If people can't engage in any conversation about Weapons and Combat with out prissy irrelevant bullshit being posted, then why have the section at all? Just delete that part of the forum if you care so LITTLE about the discussion that people want to have.

Fuck it, at this point you have CLEARLY made your intentions quite obvious to most of this userbase. All Sanctuary is , is Zek's personal toilet....and you are just the stupid stooge wiping his ass for him.

[Arnox]

You are an utter and complete idiot. All you've done with this "explanation" is prove you don't have any care or concern about the quality of this forum. You are more worried about Zek's feelings and your ridiculous decision to mod him, then you are about other people's experiences or having any kind of thread or section integrity. If people can't engage in any conversation about Weapons and Combat with out prissy irrelevant bullshit being posted, then why have the section at all? Just delete that part of the forum if you care so LITTLE about the discussion that people want to have.

Fuck it, at this point you have CLEARLY made your intentions quite obvious to most of this userbase. All Sanctuary is , is Zek's personal toilet....and you are just the stupid stooge wiping his ass for him.

Oh, one more thing. Controversy breeds activity and can actually be a way of GAINING members. They'll want to participate in the discussion too and add their $.02.

And even FURTHER, totse was about opening your mind to new ideas, not pigeon-holing yourself to one idea, one place, one way of thinking. And apparently you don't want that. You don't want any dissenting opinions. God forbid.

That, or you're trolling. Either way, I'm beginning to wonder why I even waste my time reading your replies anymore. All you want to do is complain, accuse, and flame. You can tell me I'm wrong. You can yell and scream all you want but your own posting history betrays you.

It isn't too late for you though. I'll give you a chance to calm down and type rationally and calmly your arguments against equanimity before I just start ignoring you for the remainder of this thread. Or don't take it. Up to you. You could surprise me though.

[DaGuru]

You are completely  clueless Arnox. The "differing opinion" isn't debate in a relevant topical sense. It was Zek saying (and then you AGREEING with Zek) "meh, this information isn't useful". And then give him open license to talk about rainbows and sugar plum fairies. That is NOT "lively debate" just trolling and faggotry.

You are doomed Arnox, utterly doomed. This whole exchange truly is this website's final push over the cliff. The fact you are THIS blindly defending Zek and using these absurd excuses to justify his trolling....is exposing exactly what your agenda is, and how completely clueless you are in regard to anything.

I don't give a fuck if you listen or respond to any of my posts at this point. Because I'll still be right here calling a spade a spade, and even while your userbase continues to dwindle and decay, I'll still be scoffing at how eager you are to flush it all right down the toilet all because you rather put all your money on some pathetic troll instead of worrying about what is best for your website and the experience for all the rest of the users.

[Idiosyncrasy]

I'm having a hard time following something, but maybe I just need some sleep. Guru, I ask you in particular because you seem the most pissed off right now, but also to anyone else. Are you upset about equanimity being here and posting on the site, or that equanimity is a mod?

There has been a lot of debate about what should or shouldn't be allowed, what is truly off topic, what off topic posts should remain, when it becomes derailment, when editing content becomes censorship, when the right to free speech should override, etc. As a result of these debates, I would think Arnox is confused, and so am I.

So eq has a style that differs from a lot of others. Is that the only reason you guys want him/her/whatever you all decide out? I haven't researched any alleged poor moderator actions, so it seems that she (I'm going with female for pronoun consistency) is just good at rubbing you all the wrong way.

I'm not necessarily trying to defend her points or style, but at what point do we draw the line for dictating content? That has been a point of debate and resulted in very loose off topic policy.

What if the opposite happened? What if eq made a thread in Noah's Ark about kittens, and you went on about how you would rather shake their brains into soup and slurp it out of a hole you drilled in their skull? It might offend her, but I wouldn't think it would be punishable.

I'm just trying to clear up the underlying issue. If it's a poor mod action that gets you upset, then that's something Arnox addresses. If it's just a disagreement in post-style, then you can feel free to address it yourself, but Arnox isn't going to dictate how one should or shouldn't post, as long as it is within reasonable limits of the guidelines.

I'm just making assumptions for Arnox though. This is just my opinion, and it does not necessarily represent the interests of Arnox or the Sanctuary.

[equanimity]

Dude. Mod panel abuse. equanimity manipulated at least one poll and changed my username to make fun of me. He spams all the time and derails topics. What more do you want?

Arnox must get rid of that tumor as fast as he can.

I edited a poll RisiR made, and changed his name.

It started here: http://www.intosanctuary.com/index.php?topic=3046.0

Seemed like a fun way to bring the community together, and I was very serious about changing my name to whatever the people voted.  But I was trying to keep the really bad names off of the poll.  He insisted and I gave in because we were having fun and it was all for a good cause (the lulz).  Relevant post and final list to be voted on:

http://www.intosanctuary.com/index.php?topic=3046.msg39925#msg39925

So he made his poll, but decided to leave off one of the options I liked (NU SHOOZ), supposedly because you can only have five options (not true).  I edited one of the other options to read NU SHOOZ.  And I feel I should mention that this entire time he and I were joking around and being friendly in PMs.  He edited the poll to remove my addition and add a few more disparaging options, and I edited it again to include NU SHOOZ.  Think I changed another one too, or removed it or something.  Really I thought we were just messing around as friends do, and eventually would end up back with the predetermined list for people to vote on.

He PMs me saying, "You don't know how to take a joke.  Make a poll about me changing my name and I'll show you how to take a joke!"

Silly me, for thinking we were still playing around.  I changed his name to RisieR for about 5 minutes before changing it back, and then he made this thread: http://www.intosanctuary.com/index.php?topic=3089.msg39997#msg39997

The PMs turn angry and weird, and I apologize and try to explain that I thought we were just having fun.  He says he's going to have me demodded over it, and I tell him to PM Arnox about it if that's his goal.  Then he said he didn't want to PM Arnox and made sort of vague threats on my life.  And then he said he was leaving forever, which I felt pretty bad about until he started trolling me again.

Mostly I'm glad he didn't leave.

I then PMed Arnox about what happened, though it was not nearly this detailed so don't blame him for not knowing too much about it.

So we're clear, I would not have edited anything had I not been friendly (or so I thought) with RisiR and had this not been about my username.  But this is an honest explanation, not an excuse; and I certainly won't be doing anything like that ever again.

About me spamming, and derailing?  I think I'm a pretty decent poster, but I can be a little capricious.  If that gets on your nerves maybe try not to obsess over it.

TL/DL: RisiR trolled me pretty hard.  Fool me once, shame on you...

[DaGuru]

Idio, my problem with Zek is multi-layered, and I've been saying it so many times the last couple of months, I'm a bit surprised you still don't understand the issues.

First and foremost, he is CONSTANTLY trolling/derailing topics with his whacked out ideas and ruining the subject matter of the threads. Like the one I provided in W&C....LOTS of people want to talk about such things, but just because HE "doesn't find any use" in the information, now the thread has been completely ruined. As I said above, if he wanted to have some philosophical or political discussion promoting an anti-gun/non-violent mindset, there ARE other sections for that kind of discussion. But not on that thread.

Along with that, he has put serious attempt at changing the purpose and tone to several sections...and not just W&C. B&M is another great example....when he is constantly telling people to be "nicer" or "chill out"...or even admonishing posters for flaming "too efficiently". Its absurd and completely backwards.

Going to your "kittens" example.....yes, if someone wanted to make a thread about raising new kittens or some other aspect of cats, it would NOT be appropriate or productive to a thread if myself or anyone else started spewing bullshit about killing them or cooking them or anything else. Sure, if we sincerely wanted to do that...we could start our own thread maybe in BI or SG, but in Noah's Ark, that is NOT the proper place for it....because if you REALLY want a section to have serious and sincere conversations about animals, constantly trolling those threads talking about killing them will NOT maintain users that actually want to talk about them. Its crazy and backwards to think otherwise.

Imagine if I went into all the techy/computer forums, and ALL I ever said was something like...."ya know, you nerds need to go outside and try to get laid, live some life for once". And kept spewing that message again and again and again and again, at some point wouldn't it become toxic, annoying and just outright trolling nonsense?

Where it gets even worse now that Zek is a mod, is now he can't even be infracted...and has open license to do as he please. Its no secret that Zek was section banned in W&C at Zoklet, and rightfully so.....BECAUSE of his never-ending derailing bullshit. The mods and regs alike tired of the never-ending trolling and they finally did the right thing, they got rid of him permanently because like a rabid feral mongrel all they were doing was cleaning up his shit time and time again.

Then there is the whole aspect of him being a moderator, he is a bigger representative/leader in regard to the culture and purpose of what this place is about. And his outlook/ideology does NOT fit into the controversial subject matter that is often discussed. Its embarrassing is what it is. It would be like making Richard Simmons the leader of one of the chapters of a Crypt gang. This is NOT a touchy feely lovey dovey board, this isn't a forum intended for soccer moms, nuns, or emotionally fragile people. If we are sincerely ever going to try to "attract new users" having some wishy washy pansy ass, constantly prattling on about peace/love/non-violence is totally absurd. It makes people awkward and embarrassed just reading his cringe worthy tripe that goes completely AGAINST a lot of the subject matter. Seriously, WHO in their right mind that is legitimately interested or expert in anything regard to Weapons and Combat....will stay here for very long after finding a thread with such pointless and counter-discussion drivel?

And not just in W&C, but much of the overall vibe/tone/pulse of this place.....we talk about crimes, drugs, anti-establishment, counter-culture, badassery of all sorts.....and to have HIM of all people as a moderator/leader for what this place stands for couldn't be any more backwards or out of place. Its like everyone going to a UFC event and expect a certain experience, and when the lights go out and the show starts, instead a ballet troop starts prancing around as the "entertainment". Its NOT what people came there for, and Zek does NOT fit in here.

Dealing with Zek as a user is annoying enough, but with proper moderation he can eventually be infracted/banned/exiled which would only improve the place. But making him a mod and giving him that open license to derail and troll and taint the very culture and environment itself? Its just sending Sanctuary into an inevitable death spiral, and the fact Arnox is being this stubborn, stupid, and blind is only pushing it along that much faster.

[DaGuru]

I edited a poll RisiR made, and changed his name.

It started here: http://www.intosanctuary.com/index.php?topic=3046.0

Seemed like a fun way to bring the community together, and I was very serious about changing my name to whatever the people voted.  But I was trying to keep the really bad names off of the poll.  He insisted and I gave in because we were having fun and it was all for a good cause (the lulz).  Relevant post and final list to be voted on:

http://www.intosanctuary.com/index.php?topic=3046.msg39925#msg39925

So he made his poll, but decided to leave off one of the options I liked (NU SHOOZ), supposedly because you can only have five options (not true).  I edited one of the other options to read NU SHOOZ.  And I feel I should mention that this entire time he and I were joking around and being friendly in PMs.  He edited the poll to remove my addition and add a few more disparaging options, and I edited it again to include NU SHOOZ.  Think I changed another one too, or removed it or something.  Really I thought we were just messing around as friends do, and eventually would end up back with the predetermined list for people to vote on.

He PMs me saying, "You don't know how to take a joke.  Make a poll about me changing my name and I'll show you how to take a joke!"

Silly me, for thinking we were still playing around.  I changed his name to RisieR for about 5 minutes before changing it back, and then he made this thread: http://www.intosanctuary.com/index.php?topic=3089.msg39997#msg39997

The PMs turn angry and weird, and I apologize and try to explain that I thought we were just having fun.  He says he's going to have me demodded over it, and I tell him to PM Arnox about it if that's his goal.  Then he said he didn't want to PM Arnox and made sort of vague threats on my life.  And then he said he was leaving forever, which I felt pretty bad about until he started trolling me again.

Mostly I'm glad he didn't leave.

I then PMed Arnox about what happened, though it was not nearly this detailed so don't blame him for not knowing too much about it.

So we're clear, I would not have edited anything had I not been friendly (or so I thought) with RisiR and had this not been about my username.  But this is an honest explanation, not an excuse; and I certainly won't be doing anything like that ever again.

About me spamming, and derailing?  I think I'm a pretty decent poster, but I can be a little capricious.  If that gets on your nerves maybe try not to obsess over it.

TL/DL: RisiR trolled me pretty hard.  Fool me once, shame on you...

Herp Derp.

This right here Idio is another GREAT example. What does ANY of this juvenile idiocy have to do with the mission statement? What does it have to do with old school Totse ideals? What does it have to do with edgier more adult discussion about controversial subject matter? ALL THIS IS, is just attention whoring, silly immaturity. PERIOD. Its like looking into the mind of a fuckin 4th grader at recess. All the time wasted, all the drama, all the inane bullshit...for WHAT? Just so Zek can troll and attention whore...nothing else. No discussion. No "informational discourse". Just mamby pamby foolishness that this very disturbed individual considers "all in the quest for fun"? Seriously, WTF is this embarrasingly juvenile goof doing on a board with this kind of subject matter? It couldn't be any more inappropriate, and Zek couldn't be any more OUT OF PLACE if you tried.

[equanimity]

DaGuru, I feel like you could probably use a hug.  Let me know if you want one.  They're e-hugs, but that doesn't mean they aren't warm and fuzzy.

Okay? :O

[Lanny]

That, or you're trolling. Either way, I'm beginning to wonder why I even waste my time reading your replies anymore. All you want to do is complain, accuse, and flame. You can tell me I'm wrong. You can yell and scream all you want but your own posting history betrays you.

The suggested course of action is to reply in alternating super and subscript. I can post the script if it's too tedious to do it manually. One problem I run into is that sometimes "fuck you daguru plz die faggot" isn't really long enough to drive the point in so sometimes I'll splice in a random passage out of war and peace, a copy of which I keep for that very purpose.

[Max Headroom]

I'm having a hard time following something, but maybe I just need some sleep. Guru, I ask you in particular because you seem the most pissed off right now, but also to anyone else. Are you upset about equanimity being here and posting on the site, or that equanimity is a mod?

There has been a lot of debate about what should or shouldn't be allowed, what is truly off topic, what off topic posts should remain, when it becomes derailment, when editing content becomes censorship, when the right to free speech should override, etc. As a result of these debates, I would think Arnox is confused, and so am I.

So eq has a style that differs from a lot of others. Is that the only reason you guys want him/her/whatever you all decide out? I haven't researched any alleged poor moderator actions, so it seems that she (I'm going with female for pronoun consistency) is just good at rubbing you all the wrong way.

I'm not necessarily trying to defend her points or style, but at what point do we draw the line for dictating content? That has been a point of debate and resulted in very loose off topic policy.

What if the opposite happened? What if eq made a thread in Noah's Ark about kittens, and you went on about how you would rather shake their brains into soup and slurp it out of a hole you drilled in their skull? It might offend her, but I wouldn't think it would be punishable.

I'm just trying to clear up the underlying issue. If it's a poor mod action that gets you upset, then that's something Arnox addresses. If it's just a disagreement in post-style, then you can feel free to address it yourself, but Arnox isn't going to dictate how one should or shouldn't post, as long as it is within reasonable limits of the guidelines.

I'm just making assumptions for Arnox though. This is just my opinion, and it does not necessarily represent the interests of Arnox or the Sanctuary.

ASSUMPTIONS.
ASSUMING MAKES AN ASS OUT OF U AND ME.
But in all legitimacy this shit's gone from power struggle to admin can't control the forum machine to sub-totse2 level madness. I shouldn't be complaining, but this shit's gotta something

[Lanny]

That, or you're trolling. Either way, I'm beginning to wonder why I even waste my time reading your replies anymore. All you want to do is complain, accuse, and flame. You can tell me I'm wrong. You can yell and scream all you want but your own posting history betrays you.

The suggested course of action is to reply in alternating super and subscript. I can post the script if it's too tedious to do it manually. One problem I run into is that sometimes "fuck you daguru plz die faggot" isn't really long enough to drive the point in so sometimes I'll splice in a random passage out of war and peace, a copy of which I keep for that very purpose.

Look, I'll even make it easy for you:

http://fuckyoudaguru.neocities.org/

[equanimity]

That, or you're trolling. Either way, I'm beginning to wonder why I even waste my time reading your replies anymore. All you want to do is complain, accuse, and flame. You can tell me I'm wrong. You can yell and scream all you want but your own posting history betrays you.

The suggested course of action is to reply in alternating super and subscript. I can post the script if it's too tedious to do it manually. One problem I run into is that sometimes "fuck you daguru plz die faggot" isn't really long enough to drive the point in so sometimes I'll splice in a random passage out of war and peace, a copy of which I keep for that very purpose.

Look, I'll even make it easy for you:

http://fuckyoudaguru.neocities.org/

Can't figure out what your thing does, Lanny.  I'm clicking the "Fuck DaGuru" button and nothing is happening!

[BallsDeep69]

That, or you're trolling. Either way, I'm beginning to wonder why I even waste my time reading your replies anymore. All you want to do is complain, accuse, and flame. You can tell me I'm wrong. You can yell and scream all you want but your own posting history betrays you.

The suggested course of action is to reply in alternating super and subscript. I can post the script if it's too tedious to do it manually. One problem I run into is that sometimes "fuck you daguru plz die faggot" isn't really long enough to drive the point in so sometimes I'll splice in a random passage out of war and peace, a copy of which I keep for that very purpose.

Look, I'll even make it easy for you:

http://fuckyoudaguru.neocities.org/

Same...
Can't figure out what your thing does, Lanny.  I'm clicking the "Fuck DaGuru" button and nothing is happening!