Author Topic: What other methods of mass extermination could the Nazis have used on the Jews?  (Read 6775 times)

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Offline -SpectraL

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good read..,

http://www.deathcamps.org/gas_chambers/gas_chambers_vans.html


The application of gas usually is not undertaken correctly. In order to come to an end as fast as possible, the driver presses the accelerator to the fullest extent. By doing that the persons to be executed suffer death from suffocation and not death by dozing off as was planned. My directions now have proved that by correct adjustment of the levers death comes faster and the prisoners fall asleep peacefully. Distorted faces and excretions, such as could be seen before, are no longer noticed. Today I shall continue my journey to group B, where I can be reached with further news. "

Signed: Dr. Becker
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source: http://www.deathcamps.org/gas_chambers/rauff.html
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good read..,

http://www.deathcamps.org/gas_chambers/gas_chambers_vans.html


The application of gas usually is not undertaken correctly. In order to come to an end as fast as possible, the driver presses the accelerator to the fullest extent. By doing that the persons to be executed suffer death from suffocation and not death by dozing off as was planned. My directions now have proved that by correct adjustment of the levers death comes faster and the prisoners fall asleep peacefully. Distorted faces and excretions, such as could be seen before, are no longer noticed. Today I shall continue my journey to group B, where I can be reached with further news. "

Signed: Dr. Becker
SS-Untersturmfuehrer "


source: http://www.deathcamps.org/gas_chambers/rauff.html
so fuckin ruthless

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"He was a rabid anti-semite, and his depraved behaviour plumbed the depths. Chaim Hirszmann witnessed how, when a transport of children and infants arrived at Belzec, they were buried alive in a large pit.

At the height of Aktion Reinhard, Wirth’s brutality became even more pronounced. SS-man Werner Dubois, who served at Belzec and Sobibor, stated:


"Wirth was more than brutal. In my opinion, his brutality was grounded more in his human nature, than as an emanation of his political mentality. He bellowed, screamed and threatened us, and hit members of the German camp garrison in the face. Other than Oberhauser, there was no-one in Belzec who was not afraid of Wirth."


source: http://www.deathcamps.org/reinhard/wirth.html


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"He was a rabid anti-semite, and his depraved behaviour plumbed the depths. Chaim Hirszmann witnessed how, when a transport of children and infants arrived at Belzec, they were buried alive in a large pit.

At the height of Aktion Reinhard, Wirth’s brutality became even more pronounced. SS-man Werner Dubois, who served at Belzec and Sobibor, stated:


"Wirth was more than brutal. In my opinion, his brutality was grounded more in his human nature, than as an emanation of his political mentality. He bellowed, screamed and threatened us, and hit members of the German camp garrison in the face. Other than Oberhauser, there was no-one in Belzec who was not afraid of Wirth."


source: http://www.deathcamps.org/reinhard/wirth.html



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during the voyage CO2 levels will build up and niggers will die...and in a relatively humane manner at that

dude how is that humane they would be panicking for a while

because CO2 'poisoning' is painless.  it is used by veterinarians to exterminate...urm...put down...animals

i used to use it to kill small furry animals to feed to my snakes

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that would make the purpose of incarcerating jews to use them as slave labor...and not to exterminate them.  enslaving someone defeats the purpose of exterminating them

You can do both at the same time you know. IIRC the phrase was "extermination through labor".

i wouldnt have said anything if i didnt know about it.

post one valid example of a so-called 'gas van' used by germany...either photograph or a verified actual vehicle

ill save you the trouble...there arent any

Look in the article provided.

that method obviously turned out to be a failure...assuming that was actually the intention

you obviously didnt read your own sources.  go back and read it again until you find the parts that support my statement

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on gas vans disadvantages...
the drivers could hear the victims' screams, which they found distracting and disturbing.

says who.  there are sociopaths that find precisely these sounds quite pleasant and erotic

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that method obviously turned out to be a failure...assuming that was actually the intention

you obviously didnt read your own sources.  go back and read it again until you find the parts that support my statement

Yes, the gas van method turned out not to be effective like I fucking said to begin with. You said "there were no gas vans", you were wrong, deal with it.
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The RSHA office II D 3a was responsible for construction, employment, drivers and the provision of spare parts for the gas vans. During WW2 two types were used: small versions with about 3.5t payload for about 50 persons (Diamond, Opel Blitz, and Renault) and bigger ones with approximately 5t payload for around 70 victims (Saurer). The wagons had an air-sealed car-body and looked like furniture vans. With a removable tube the exhaust fumes could be led into the car body. A barred lamp could be used to illuminate the interior.

Prior to gassing, the victims were ordered to hand over their valuables. They then had to undress and finally entered the gas vans. The two doors at the back of the wagons were closed, and the tube then locked to the exhaust. To calm down the naked victims a lamp was switched on for some minutes. The driver then started the motor, which ran in neutral gear for about ten minutes. During this time the motor produced enough carbon monoxide to suffocate the victims. As they were so crowded together there was lack of air anyway. When the screaming and pounding had stopped, the driver started the drive to the cremation site. There Jewish men, who would not be permitted to remain alive, were forced to unload the corpses and cremate them.
Sometimes the victims were gassed at the site of their mass grave; e.g. in Stalino where on Easter Monday 1942 200 - 300 Jews were killed in gas vans and their corpses pushed into the shaft of a coal mine.

Gas vans were used on a large scale by the Einsatzgruppen in Byelorussia and the Ukraine. Here thousands of persons, mainly Jews, were killed by the use of these wagons. For example, thousands of Jews from the Minsk Ghetto lost their lives in gas vans which were stationed at the extermination site Maly Trostinec, 12 km southwest of Minsk.
Eberhard von Thadden, a Foreign Office official who succeeded Franz Rademacher as head of the Jewish desk, noted in his diary a visit by representatives of the Italian Fascist Party to Generalkommissar Wilhelm Kube in Minsk on 15 May 1943. Kube showed the visitors a church that was being used as a warehouse. The diary entry continues:
"The Italians asked about the little packages and suitcases that were piled up in the church. Kube explained that this was all that was left of the Jews who had been deported from Minsk. Then he showed them a gas chamber in which he said Jews had been gassed. The Fascists were severely shaken."

At least 152,000 people were gassed by the use of gas vans at the Chelmno extermination camp near Lodz.


source: http://www.deathcamps.org/gas_chambers/gas_chambers_vans.html

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Yeah, as opposed to what Stalin did, the Holocaust was nothing.

This has more to do with circumstance then intent. Stalin does have a higher body count but this is because Hitler lost the war.

IIRC, policy under Stalin directly lead to the mass starvation in Ukraine/the eastern parts of the Russian front.  I mean that's how it was so easy for him to maintain his hold on those areas. Everything for the front, and all that.
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IIRC, policy under Stalin directly lead to the mass starvation in Ukraine/the eastern parts of the Russian front.  I mean that's how it was so easy for him to maintain his hold on those areas. Everything for the front, and all that.

This is true, but it pales in comparison to what the Nazis intended to do in the East had they won the war. Look up "GeneralPlan Ost".
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IIRC, policy under Stalin directly lead to the mass starvation in Ukraine/the eastern parts of the Russian front.  I mean that's how it was so easy for him to maintain his hold on those areas. Everything for the front, and all that.

This is true, but it pales in comparison to what the Nazis intended to do in the East had they won the war. Look up "GeneralPlan Ost".

That's irrelevant due to the circular logic of discussing something that may have happened; 'more people didn't die because he didn't kill them'. Well, no shit, but that's an alternative reality that never occurred so is therefore invalid as a counter-argument.

Besides, fascist-state mass murders in the 20th century (on a scale of 10,000s upwards) were a singular feature of the Nazi regime, in contrast mass murder appears to have been a modus operandi for numerous communist states. I know which system, i.e. fascist or communist, I'd rather take my chances under under.

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They could have made jello out of their bones and soylent green from the pulp of skin and organs.  Would have been 100% efficient AND helped with the rationing.

Imagine if Germany had had a volcano with a large pit of lava. I could see a sort inescapable escalator system being used. My god, the potential.

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