These are literally two of the best grind/punk songs i've ever listened to

[splooge gook]

and it's by fucking slipknot. i hate pretentious music snobs. it's not about the complexity of the music or whether they wear masks and have 9 members because 6 is 9 upside down. it's a very dense sound and devliers raw energy, at least when they're not trying to draw in kids by throwing in random catchy pop hooks.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3D3uy4KTQCc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EXvGOUWstag

if that isn't proof enough, heres one of the songs lowered down and sped up a bit to sound like grind

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3fDEQ7491SA

>tfw it's more complex and heavy than 95% of grind

[millionsofdeadcats]

I don't listen to any music made after 1995

[Max Headroom]

You must not have listened to any song by anal cunt. My favorites are rancid sucks and the clash sucked too, and I lit your baby on fire

[kroz]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z7rfX34DBRw

im guessin this a sploo thread without looking

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CJGbH781DWY

I appreciate slipknot more now than I used to.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b5DCX_lG-JI

I have the lame ass hemdale shirt that says I am DEAD , back when I was a younger guy, its way to small for me now

I saw anal cunt 2 weeks before that fat faggot died. he looked terrible lol

[millionsofdeadcats]

You must not have listened to any song by anal cunt. My favorites are rancid sucks and the clash sucked too, and I lit your baby on fire

anal cunt < gg allin

[kroz]

nah I like seths smelly Nazism better.

[Lanny]

<3 me some gg allin

In general though I'm pretty ignorant of the post-hardcore->grindcore scene. I admit I liked a few slipknot tracks. I hate the fact that "hard" has turned into wearing masks and breakdowns on every track though. I sympathize with people who say slipknot is everything wrong with whatever generespace they occupy, but at the same time I think we need to have some more appreciation for the fact that artists have a really minimal level of control over the fans they attract.

Like let's be honest, there are a few SK tracks that are pretty impressively brutal in terms of both lyrics and (to a lesser extent, I'll admit) instrumentation. If douchebags latch onto that I don't think it's really fair to pin that on the artist, ya know?

[millionsofdeadcats]

The less technically proficient, the better IMO, and anal cunt actually could play their instruments.