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Re: Thinking about going Vegan
« Reply #45 on: September 25, 2014, 06:23:54 am »
I eat the animals to end their suffering.  It's actually a very heroic thing that I'm doing.
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Re: Thinking about going Vegan
« Reply #46 on: September 25, 2014, 12:11:32 pm »
I didn't read through all the other post but if you do decide to go vegan you can still intake all your needed vitamins, minerals, etc by eating sprouted grains and fermented foods. Also its best to eat vegetables in wide verity of colors. Different colors are attributed to vitamin/mineral content.

So you didn't read through anyone elses' posts, yet you thought that what you had to type was so important that you just had to get it into this thread?  If you didn't read anyone elses' posts, why the fuck should we bother reading yours? 
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Re: Thinking about going Vegan
« Reply #47 on: September 26, 2014, 12:56:24 pm »
I didn't read through all the other post but if you do decide to go vegan you can still intake all your needed vitamins, minerals, etc by eating sprouted grains and fermented foods. Also its best to eat vegetables in wide verity of colors. Different colors are attributed to vitamin/mineral content.

So you didn't read through anyone elses' posts, yet you thought that what you had to type was so important that you just had to get it into this thread?  If you didn't read anyone elses' posts, why the fuck should we bother reading yours?

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Re: Thinking about going Vegan
« Reply #48 on: September 29, 2014, 07:49:09 am »
Borat.

You seem lost.

To help define some terms and drive you out of this murk, think of Veganism as more religious; the code for which is up for interpretation by your particular bent, and for the individual to assign personal meaning. It pertains to every aspect of everyday life, and is followed by all sorts of people from those humble like monks to those radical like evangelical. It is quite involved.

Vegetarianism on the other hand is far simpler. It is little in the way of a belief system, other than minor conscience (what some may simply call an omnivore guilt complex) and by comparison would be thought of better as purely a simple ethical dietary choice, that pertains to eating first contact animal products (something such as flesh which is normally obtained only through the slaughter of an animal). It sounds like you truly mean the latter.


I'll admit that issue of "morality" has been on mind as a reason as to why I'm contemplating a vegan diet, but I don't plan on taking it to the extremes of the people you mentioned. I just want advantage of the organic side of the diet, which might help not off some fat.

Living by the strict confines of a Vegan lifestyle does not correlate directly into a diet consisting of organic food. In fact, unless you're particularly hardcore you're more likely to consume overly processed food on a Vegan diet. What you're after, by the sound of it if you want organic food, is something more along the lines of a Paleo diet. If you have morality issues, then Vegetarian Paleo. Good luck with that one.
It can be done, but at that point it's worth looking at your motivation, as best as they can be made out from their vague existence (as portrayed by yourself) in this thread:

1. Easy to Follow
2. Centred around the consumption of organic and unprocessed food
3. Avoid animal flesh if possible

Cutting animal products out of your life is easy. So is living on the nutrient deficient edge of starvation. If you want a balanced diet, and you want to consume enough protein to maintain muscle mass at the very least, it takes just a little bit more thought and a little dedication. If your aim is to reduce body fat % on such a diet while maintaining muscle mass, it's not impossible by any means but living within the strict confines of Vegan beliefs is beginning to make it very unrealistic for someone who lacks motivation and focus. It's not without effort, and requires nutritional planning and forethought on your end (if you want to stay healthy), which is where most come unstuck.

You want results, but you seem to want them to just happen. You need focus. Some diets are much easier to follow, depending on your cultural background and goals. Some prohibit carb rich food as seen in your traditional Asian diet whilst others rely on it. Your success will depend mostly on two factors: 1) suitability of the chosen diet for reducing body fat (without narrowing the scope of foods that will make up your restricted caloric intake) and 2) Your dedication to following through with learning more about nutrition, tracking your intake and expenditure, researching the values and availability of foods and adapting in general.

Luck in your efforts, Borat. Just remember that if you want to stay committed and lose weight, don't bite off more than you can chew.

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Re: Thinking about going Vegan
« Reply #49 on: September 29, 2014, 10:51:23 am »
I'll admit that issue of "morality" has been on mind as a reason as to why I'm contemplating a vegan diet, but I don't plan on taking it to the extremes of the people you mentioned. I just want advantage of the organic side of the diet, which might help not off some fat.

I think you would be a much better Locavore ( locally sourced diet ) than a Vegan. A vegan diet is basically "do not consume meat, eggs, milk, honey or any food that is derived from animals." I don't know what extremes you are talking about, either you are vegan or your not. Organic is NOT necessarily better in general and a local carrot WILL be ethically better than an organic carrot from 1500 miles away and cheaper.

If you'd like to hear more about Organic vs Non-Organic there are some benefits but not it doesn't outweigh the cost for most people:
http://www.npr.org/blogs/thesalt/2014/07/11/330760923/are-organic-vegetables-more-nutritious-after-all

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Re: Thinking about going Vegan
« Reply #50 on: September 29, 2014, 11:22:30 am »
I'll admit that issue of "morality" has been on mind as a reason as to why I'm contemplating a vegan diet, but I don't plan on taking it to the extremes of the people you mentioned. I just want advantage of the organic side of the diet, which might help not off some fat.

I think you would be a much better Locavore ( locally sourced diet ) than a Vegan. A vegan diet is basically "do not consume meat, eggs, milk, honey or any food that is derived from animals." I don't know what extremes you are talking about, either you are vegan or your not. Organic is NOT necessarily better in general and a local carrot WILL be ethically better than an organic carrot from 1500 miles away and cheaper.

If you'd like to hear more about Organic vs Non-Organic there are some benefits but not it doesn't outweigh the cost for most people:
http://www.npr.org/blogs/thesalt/2014/07/11/330760923/are-organic-vegetables-more-nutritious-after-all

You allow an interesting angle with embodied energy.  Maybe OP should also be considering embodied water, if impact on his world and yours is a concern.
That would take serious work.

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Re: Thinking about going Vegan
« Reply #51 on: October 04, 2014, 06:50:07 am »
Thanks for all the posts folks.

I've stayed off meat for past few weeks and haven't had any "cravings" and so far there has been some good progress with my fitness, but I don't think I can attribute it all to the change in diet. I have lost a few pounds so that's a good start.

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Re: Thinking about going Vegan
« Reply #52 on: October 04, 2014, 08:23:51 am »
eat some fucking meat you faggot

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Re: Thinking about going Vegan
« Reply #53 on: October 04, 2014, 08:33:29 am »
I have lived and worked with a couple of vegans. The one I lived with was a weird guy. His restricted diet seemed to be a form of mental self-flagellation; quasi-Catholic overtones mixed in with his Buddhist beliefs. One day he asked me 'Do I look like a heroin addict?', apparently some complete stranger had told him that they 'knew where he could get help' because his skin was so grey and pallid he looked like a junkie. Looking at his section in the food cupboard made my stomach literally cramp if I was already hungry. In 3 months the only things I ever saw in there were a couple of lentil bags. I don't believe that's the only thing he actually ate. I almost can't believe it.

The vegan girl I worked with had some batshit ideas about human biology. Insisted on drinking only from glass bottles containing filtered water of pH 10 (!) because it was what the human body was 'designed for'. I don't think she actually knew what pH means, let alone make a pH-calibrated solution. I tried explaining the concept of homeostasis to her and why her efforts to make her blood alkaline were largely futile; a complete waste of my energy. She also claimed water from the taps was deliberately contaminated with flourides which will poison you, hence the glass (plastic is poisonous) water bottle. She lived roughly 80 miles from the nearest source of artificially flouridated water.

I could be doing the concept of veganism a disservice, but my personal experience has been that veganism has more in common with a mental health disorder than a healthy lifestyle.

Sounds as though you met a couple stupid people who happened to be vegan.  Be careful with the extrapolation.

Intelligence has little to do with it. The guy is a pharmacist. In all other respects both of them were adequately intelligent. Veganism isn't a diet it's an extreme 'ethical' lifestyle choice and so within western society has a tendency to attract those seeking an outlet for their political and philosphical views. Of course this does not apply to every vegan, those aren't the only two vegans I've known, but I think they are representative of a siginifcant aspect of veganism.

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Re: Thinking about going Vegan
« Reply #54 on: October 04, 2014, 09:18:33 am »
Should vegans be attacked and brutalized in the streets? I see no reason why not.
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Re: Thinking about going Vegan
« Reply #55 on: October 04, 2014, 02:32:05 pm »
I have lived and worked with a couple of vegans. The one I lived with was a weird guy. His restricted diet seemed to be a form of mental self-flagellation; quasi-Catholic overtones mixed in with his Buddhist beliefs. One day he asked me 'Do I look like a heroin addict?', apparently some complete stranger had told him that they 'knew where he could get help' because his skin was so grey and pallid he looked like a junkie. Looking at his section in the food cupboard made my stomach literally cramp if I was already hungry. In 3 months the only things I ever saw in there were a couple of lentil bags. I don't believe that's the only thing he actually ate. I almost can't believe it.

The vegan girl I worked with had some batshit ideas about human biology. Insisted on drinking only from glass bottles containing filtered water of pH 10 (!) because it was what the human body was 'designed for'. I don't think she actually knew what pH means, let alone make a pH-calibrated solution. I tried explaining the concept of homeostasis to her and why her efforts to make her blood alkaline were largely futile; a complete waste of my energy. She also claimed water from the taps was deliberately contaminated with flourides which will poison you, hence the glass (plastic is poisonous) water bottle. She lived roughly 80 miles from the nearest source of artificially flouridated water.

I could be doing the concept of veganism a disservice, but my personal experience has been that veganism has more in common with a mental health disorder than a healthy lifestyle.

Sounds as though you met a couple stupid people who happened to be vegan.  Be careful with the extrapolation.

Intelligence has little to do with it. The guy is a pharmacist. In all other respects both of them were adequately intelligent. Veganism isn't a diet it's an extreme 'ethical' lifestyle choice and so within western society has a tendency to attract those seeking an outlet for their political and philosphical views. Of course this does not apply to every vegan, those aren't the only two vegans I've known, but I think they are representative of a siginifcant aspect of veganism.

Stupidity and high intelligence are not mutually exclusive :P


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Re: Thinking about going Vegan
« Reply #56 on: October 04, 2014, 02:43:15 pm »
Should vegans be attacked and brutalized in the streets? I see no reason why not.

funnel + beef broth + subdued vegan = fun
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Re: Thinking about going Vegan
« Reply #57 on: October 05, 2014, 11:57:12 am »
From my own vegetarianism, and temporary veganism; the problem with it is the high consumption of carbohydrates.  Plant based proteins, don't contain the same amount as their meat counterparts.

A huge reason why I stopped being a vegetarian is due to doing some reading on the defense of plants against those that ate them --- in cafe man/scavenger times it was simply safer to eat meat (it being properly cooked, of course) due to plants either being poisonous or containing a harmful ingredient that will make you feel like shit.

What I am trying to say is what heavily turned me was doing some reading on the "poisonous" ingredients in fruit seeds, which I originally thought was lecithin --- it's not.  Here's a link though
http://www.livestrong.com/article/188977-apple-seed-toxicity/
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Re: Thinking about going Vegan
« Reply #58 on: October 05, 2014, 01:28:43 pm »
Stupidity and high intelligence are not mutually exclusive :P

That would perhaps explain why so many otherwise intelligent people indulge in veganism.

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Re: Thinking about going Vegan
« Reply #59 on: October 05, 2014, 01:56:32 pm »
I've decided to go against my omnivorous nature

Maybe I'll pretend I have a different gender too