Thank you for the info Al...

- 2.88g pse - wally world generic reds
- Wash crushed pill mass in non-polar for 6 hrs then decant and dry
- 3/8 cup NaOH
- 3/16 cup an (NaOH and an increased from 1/4 cup and 1/8 cup respectively to make rxn more violent... Dissolves Li quicker, and seems to make product more potent)
- Rarely recharge
- 2 AA Li strips
- 500ml reaction bottle
- Approx 300-350ml non-polar (ether or Hexane or both)
- Pse (pill mass) added when Li = approx 75% bronzed
- Multiple water washes
- Liquid-Liquid water/muriatic extraction

If any additional info Would help, please let me know...

Would you be willing to elaborate on "Proper ratios", "adjusted timings", and "diligent workups" please?

Thanks again for contributing brother.

-me

Seeing that the notes that I found only referenced 2 recent reactions, and they were both done with generic wally red hots, I am interested in everyone's recent experience with different sources of feed stock...

Lets face it... If the write up that purp found on WD is accurate, it states that a certain pharm company created this Hell Gak as a deturant...but there are many different companies that produce the feed stock... Without intervention from the bad guys, I couldn't imagine that these various pharm companies go around sharing technologies...especially when it relates to unidentified, unlabled, secret ingredients that would be in direct violation of FDA regulations...

I'm not saying that the shit don't exist, I'm just saying that I would be very, VERY interested in reading some detailed reports about reactions run by SWIY with with different brands and variations of feed stock...

I know that the person that wrote the notes that I found wasn't intending to run any experiments in the foreseeable future, but I believe that this person is the type that will end up doing the research in the name of OUR cause, intellectual curiosity, and for all of those brothers and sisters that are REAL and paved the path of knowledge for him...

If you catz sincerely believe in your rights and freedoms, the best way you can excercise and retain them is to CONTRIBUTE to the cause that supports them... A collection of detailed ACCURATE reports from the collective can quickly and easily provide CONCLUSIVE answers to some important questions...

- Are ALL the common feed stocks showing these same tainted results?
- If not...which are and which are not?
- Are different geographical locations seeing different results from the feed stock?

Once these questions have been addressed conclusively. Bees can share experiences and results pertaining to pre reaction washes/extractions and post reaction workups...

I promise you, the last 2 batches that I read about were contaminated, but they WERE DOPE, and still better than some shit that has been purchased on the street over the years... I am not convinced that this shit can not be easily cleaned up before or after, but it takes much time for one....many minds and shared efforts and results are the only effective means to battle the bad guys.... If you will not contribute, then you deserve to snort/smoke/bang your Gaak poisons and I hope that it's a slow painful death...

If you care and want results...AND WANT TO WIN... Please CONTRIBUTE!!!

WOW... GREAT STUFF PurpleCow...

I have to say, that description of emulsifiers seems to match the results that I read about spot on... Everything seemed to work perfectly, other than a cloudy emulsion layer that simply would not clear regardless of time of the reaction or amount of Li bronzed and expended...

The filtered and cleaned fuel post reaction was clear as expected, but the final product definitely contained contaminate that should not have been there...

Upon drying, the salt contained brown impurities that seemed to be more prevalent the longer it dried... the product could be cleaned up a bit by manually removing these brown impurities, crushing remaining product very fine, and doing a good acetone wash, but the product was still very low quality street dope at best.

Thanx for ALL of the research and info PurpleCow... I, for one, really appreciate it.

 

Venom,

Can you let me know if you received my pm when you get a chance? It didn't show up in my messages... I don't want to waste the time pasting references and shit if you already got it.

Thanx

Rather than trying to type out a thesis on this, that I guarantee i'll fuck up the explanation on as I don't have the chemistry/physics background to truly understand it all, I will pm you a pdf, or a link to it, that will give you all the info that you will ever need... This article is a fucking goldmine imo.

Then, I'll just follow it up with an explanation oh how this information has apparently been observed and applied in real practicle experience, according to the notes that I found...

Funny coincidence... I found a paper next to a trash can at a gas station that referred to a couple of similar experiences recently... It interested me, as most things do, so I took it home and typed it out for future research planning to take the original to the local authorities, but Damn if I didn't lose it... Old age I guess... Anyway, here's some of what must have been notes or a research journal entry or some shit like that:

First 2 batches after takin a few months off:

First batch:
Bout 6 grams of generic red hots (simple fuel wash of pill mesh and decant) then gup chucked...
Normal reactants, Hexane, Li x3...
Li -> LI(NH3)4 just as smooth and easy as ever...

Observations upon addition of pill mass:
Fuel is dark and cloudy from li saturation, but never seems to achieve the thicker "chocolate milk" appearance expected when the pse bases...
After completely exhausting the Li/bronze:
The fuel remained dark and cloudy...took 5-10 min for the dark cloud mass to settle 1/2 way down the bottle... Never formed a the expected Li Amide distinct Gray Sandy looking top layer above the reactants...

Filtering:
Filters we're full of a of a lavender colored slime as the clear fuel was filtered...

Final product:
Potentcy was actually surprisingly pretty good - 7 out of 10
Purity was noticeably lower than expected... Color a little off when melted... Obvious black residue left as it burned up... 5 out of 10
Yield: expected about 4g ma... Ended with 3g... 5 out of 10

Second batch:
Same other than bout 3g pse and Li x2...
Maybe most beautiful TMS ever done... Fuel maintained with a nice light blue tint... Complete beautiful puddle of bronze mercury floating on the fuel...

Addition of pse...
Same issues as first batch but even more pronounced this time...

Potentcy - sucked - 5 out of 10
Purity -  same issues as batch one with noticeable pinwheels throughout dried crystals and very slow to crack back when melted. 3 out of 10
Yield - expected about 1.9g ma... Ended with about 1.4g ma and pse - 4 out of 10


Just thought I would pass that along as it seemed to have some relavence... I guess the smart chem enthusiast would do nearly identical rxns...1 With gup chilucked and one extracted...

Personally, I am FAR more intrigued by the beez and the effs and the EssNbeez... My friend (or bff as the kids say now) sayz that the best trip experience she ever had was getting lost in the web chasing beez...wondering if it was a never ending rabbit hole or is she had simply imagined the trail she thought she was following in her state of delirium...

I was awed by brief communications and interaction with an uncle that I sadly didn't maintain contact with... I never could follow all of his technical writing, which was like poetry, but I guess that is to be expected without formal trading in the art of that cryptic language...

Maybe if I had been in a different circle a different time... who knows... So many mysteries and such a short life to acquire knowledge...

Y'all rock.

Sad news to me. If you can't recrystallize shake and bake, then you can't recrystallized any meth. You need to do a two part recrystallisation with acetone and isopropanol alcohol or denatured alcohol. Or if you're the patient type, just let that water sit around until it completely drives into one solid chunk that you're looking for

I'm going to say that I agree. There were so many people that were posting before that I had only one from me. To which I said 'thank you' to all the people posting. I think I am upwards of 9 now. But mine are of no relevant value. There was so much intelligence within those pages that I was afraid to say anything in fear of showing my ignorance. What would it take for us to get a thriving community such as before? To have the amount of dialog again so one can pick and choose what they were interested in and then get involved. Its unfair because I had only just begun and all seems to be gone forever. I am thankful to all those in the past for showing me that intimidation is only an excuse used to not attempt.

Amp,

Just remember that NO ONE posting on the thread that you are referring to knew less than Li(NH3)4. If I remember correctly, a few months before she posted that recepie, she didn't even know what a non polar solvent was and she had to look up every other word and chemical online just to understand what everyone else was talking about...

But she believed in herself, and she was determined, and I can ensure you that she left NOTHING out and had no interest in getting paid.

I must agree though... I will miss all of the great rants and dialog from that thread.