Shake n Bake Recipie #100 - My Detailed Contribution by Li Part 1 of 2

[Road_Kill]

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your post be looking alot like Pit's there buddy. You turds still playing with SnB?

[PurpleCow]

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your post be looking alot like Pit's there buddy. You turds still playing with SnB?

RK, How the hell ya been man?

[DeJaVu]

this recipe is very close but no matter what one does it will always taste like fucking shit. I would be embarrassed to let anyone know that you made that. OK the high is not bad but when smoked all expectation of the dope is trashed after you taste it. Unless this is posted by a law official and they want you to fail. anyways my dog has done this method and 2 other methods a total of 20 times and by far this is the better of the 3. I know someone out there knows the little twist to make it taste good. My dog would push and pull (water pull) maybe that's where he went wrong so many times.

Obviously, d-meth tastes like d-meth when it is smoked... the difference in taste that you are referring to is simply the taste of the impurities remaining in the dope from the TEK used.

Following this TEK PERFECTLY can Honestly produce a product with nearly a 90% purity (product has been produced and tested by extremely capable cooks with means to actually test purity). Even so, 10% impurity, or more in most cases, is FAR MORE than enough to alter the taste.

So, can the product, with use of this TEK, be produced pure enough to avoid the undesired taste of the impurities?... Sure.

One great start is to extract the PSE rather than gup chucking... But one of the significant advantages to this TEK is NOT having to extract the PSE (which is extremely difficult to do without significant losses these days)... And if you are putting the time and effort into extracting PSE, you might as well do it in larger quantities and use an alternate TEK to reduce the PSE...

A decent alternative to actually EXTRACTING the PSE, not stated in the original post, is to simply wash the pills with fuel (soak the crushed pill mass in dry non-polar for a few hours, and then filter it off and let it dry before use). Without getting too detailed, you SHOULD be transferring almost NO water with your fuel/meff solution when your cook is completed...So you need not be overly concerned about the impurities that are water soluble (most of them will remain with the solids in the RV)... The majority of the non-polar soluble impurities WILL BE transferred with your fuel/meff solution after the completion of the cook if you do not remove them with the fuel was detailed above.

Next, a much more in-depth post RXN work-up will significantly increase purity... (especially including a very good brine wash of the fuel).

Finally, if one was inclined to do so for such a small yield, proper recrystallization will even further increase purity... This TEK has produced a product with greater than a 99% purity when tested with lab grade precursors, a thorough post RXN work-up, and multiple recrystallizations... With that said, the typical yield of about 1.5g was reduced to about .7g due to the removal of the impurities and the associated mechanical losses...

So, all in all, I would argue that the time and losses are not worth the increase in purity with the small yields using this TEK... I would recommend fuel washing your pill mass, performing a good post RXN work up, and perfecting your technique with this TEK... If you do this, you CAN potentially achieve a purity in the mid 90%'s... This will greatly reduce the taste of the impurities in the final product...

If you are still unsatisfied with the taste at that point, I would recommend an alternate TEK or an alternate ROA.

[DeJaVu]

I'm going to say that I agree. There were so many people that were posting before that I had only one from me. To which I said 'thank you' to all the people posting. I think I am upwards of 9 now. But mine are of no relevant value. There was so much intelligence within those pages that I was afraid to say anything in fear of showing my ignorance. What would it take for us to get a thriving community such as before? To have the amount of dialog again so one can pick and choose what they were interested in and then get involved. Its unfair because I had only just begun and all seems to be gone forever. I am thankful to all those in the past for showing me that intimidation is only an excuse used to not attempt.

Amp,

Just remember that NO ONE posting on the thread that you are referring to knew less than Li(NH3)4. If I remember correctly, a few months before she posted that recepie, she didn't even know what a non polar solvent was and she had to look up every other word and chemical online just to understand what everyone else was talking about...

But she believed in herself, and she was determined, and I can ensure you that she left NOTHING out and had no interest in getting paid.

I must agree though... I will miss all of the great rants and dialog from that thread.

[ChronicBoom!]

Say someone could only find cold compresses with CAN (Calcium Ammonium Nitrate). Is this acceptable, or would some work need to be done to get the AN separated?

[PurpleCow]

Say someone could only find cold compresses with CAN (Calcium Ammonium Nitrate). Is this acceptable, or would some work need to be done to get the AN separated?

Where did you get the cold packs with Calcium Ammonium Nitrate?

[ChronicBoom!]

I am assuming they were purchased from Wal-Mart.

[PurpleCow]

I am assuming they were purchased from Wal-Mart.

Well go to Dollar General and buy DG Health instant Ice Compress (Active Ingredients: Ammonium Nitrate & Water)

[ChronicBoom!]

I would also like to ask a question that someone else has asked but has not been answered. The "recipe" calls for 2.4g of PSE, let's say someone only has 1.44g to work with. Would that change anything else?

[PurpleCow]

I would also like to ask a question that someone else has asked but has not been answered. The "recipe" calls for 2.4g of PSE, let's say someone only has 1.44g to work with. Would that change anything else?

You could scale everything back. I would use no more than 1 Li strip (1 battery).

[ChronicBoom!]

Is there any way to tell if the end result of this is going to be alright? Is it going to be a bad thing if it is too acidic? (As in hurt/kill you)
If it is too acidic is that going to cause damage? These are things that should be addressed IMO

[AlHarringtonCHN]

Is there any way to tell if the end result of this is going to be alright? Is it going to be a bad thing if it is too acidic? (As in hurt/kill you)
If it is too acidic is that going to cause damage? These are things that should be addressed IMO

All that is covered under the first two rules of doing something like this. They read: "learn the basics of Chemistry" and "understand the rxn before performing it".

That said, the "acid" you refer to is "possible residual HCl" remaining from Salting out the MA.

So how much HCl could be leftover?

Lets look at the water pull method even though it should NOT be used. (Want to know why? Research it. Answers are out there. No spoon feeding)

-With a medicine dropper diluted muriatic acid is added to a highly basic solution.
-The HCl begins at first to Neutralize the solution.
-As the pH drops below 10.5, the polar dissolved MA begins to take on HCl molecules and Methamphetamine Hydrochloride is formed. It is immediately "dropped" into the polar layer and dissolves
-this is done until the pH of the water is ~7.

So....
-If the pH of the water is ~7
-all the MA is dissolved in said water

Chemistry tells us available HCl would at worst be in the ppBillion. With sloppiness and poor technique at wost ppMillion.
That is before the First Acetone wash.

Besides... your shit would be yellow-greenish and smell Horrid long before becoming dangerous due to HCl. Remember Pool water is in the ppmillion and begins to take on a strong smell at around 5 ppm.

[ChronicBoom!]

   Sorry I am saying this now, been bout 1500 miles away for a couple weeks.
Anyway, I want to add this:
      I wouldn't say this is dangerous, unless you are a complete fucktard. I am not going to say do it this way, but a Powerade bottle seems as if it would work fine, there is plenty of spread.
My other bit of input would be bringing the product from the fuel to the water. Most definitely test pH, otherwise a waste of money as this is a very crucial step, The best sense I can make in my head is that the closer you get to 7 the better it is.

[newshoes52]

Ok so this is my first post...so here it goes.  Lucho..a real good pal of a pal..decided to try this thing called bake n shake.  After reading and studing and reading and researching.. he set out and began expirementing determined to figure out this one pot concocktion.   After some days and weeks he in fact  eventually masterd the process and whats more..listening to him go on an on one might argue there is little he doenst know about making side via SnB ( if you dont recognize the slang ask around).  However lucho the poor bastard soon discoverd   that it doesnt matter how much gear ya make if you cant move it--well---aint  a viable retirement financial plan. The problem was that the he could never get the final product  to recrystize into huge chuncks of ice. Hes seen it that way out on the street (like 1/4oz were one big solid chunck). Fustrsted and feeling abit perturbed. He threw in the towel and abandoned the whole freakin project.  Its a damn shame(according to my  pal) cause the shit he was making burnned cean and clean could be and the taste wasnt too bad. Not too mention ..christ would it get ya ripped (or so im told).
     In a nutshell ..if i was a mindreader i would  geuss that Lucho figured if he coulndt get the massive chuncks tweekers liked to buy.. his gear wouldnt be marketable.  Visual presentation seems to superseed quality or so it seems although common sense tells me bigger doesnt mean better.    Too bad jibbers buyin the shit dont seem to feel that way.

[DeJaVu]

Sad news to me. If you can't recrystallize shake and bake, then you can't recrystallized any meth. You need to do a two part recrystallisation with acetone and isopropanol alcohol or denatured alcohol. Or if you're the patient type, just let that water sit around until it completely drives into one solid chunk that you're looking for