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My God Can Beat The Shit Out Of Your God / Re: Your belief system?
« on: November 13, 2014, 05:09:14 pm »
Wow, what a great thread!

Many of the posts in this thread confirm what scholars have been saying about religion in the 21st century: we are Spiritual not Religious; Seekers instead of Dwellers; We draw our religious beliefs from a variety of disparate sources, some ancient some new; We are "Sheila-ists" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sheilaism) in the sense that we follow our own individual intuition when it comes to religious belief, rather than blindly listening to some external authority.

 

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Oh the Humanities! / Re: Welcome to society
« on: November 02, 2014, 05:15:49 pm »
OP, you sound to me like a Marxist. Basically, you're saying that society is fundamentally a system of oppression and that religion, as an element of society, is a manipulative tool for keeping individuals complacent with the status quo. Marx famously said that religion was the "opiate of the masses". That is, Religion justified their very oppression. If God preordained certain people to be in positions of dominance, the God also made other people to be in positions of subservience. Picture in your mind's eye the image of God as Divine Lord, Universal King, and Cosmic Judge. One can easily see how society models itself on religious ideas, thereby justifying the entire societal enterprise. And it was clear to Marx that the solution to this problem was for the oppressed class to rise up and revolt against their oppressors.

Personally, I'm not so sure that this is the case. Moreover, I don't think this is an accurate analysis of what exactly society and religion are. At any rate, OP, I heartily condone the practice, as others have suggested, of leaving society to dwell in the wilderness. Happy hunting, OP!

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My God Can Beat The Shit Out Of Your God / Re: A US man says Jesus has appeared to him on a tree.
« on: November 02, 2014, 01:51:43 am »
It is the nature of God to reveal Itself to humankind. Nature screams out for the existence of God.

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My God Can Beat The Shit Out Of Your God / Re: A US man says Jesus has appeared to him on a tree.
« on: November 02, 2014, 01:44:17 am »
It's a miracle!

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Oral Indulgences / Re: Favourite alcoholic beverage?
« on: November 01, 2014, 04:10:08 am »
I'm a fan of dark beers. I like Porters and Stouts with notes of smoke, chocolate, cream, and coffee. Scotch ales are good too. Occasionally I drink IPA's when I'm in the mood for something hoppy. The state and city that I live in has a great beer scene and I only  drink local craft beer.

When it comes to hard liquor I like rye whiskey with ginger ale/sprite/7 up.

My go to red wine is Zinfandel with notes of black pepper, raspberries, dark cherries.

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Spurious Generalities / Since When Did Halloween Become a Comfortable, Inclusive Holiday?
« on: November 01, 2014, 02:30:35 am »
This Halloween season I feel like I saw more propaganda on the internet about choosing a costume that isn't "racist" or "offensive" than I ever have before. Now, I'm not saying that its okay to be genuinely racist. I would consider it to be in poor taste if someone wore a KKK costume or something involving lyncing. I also think its a bad idea to wear black face and dress like Aunt Jemima.

But this Halloween has left me more annoyed than ever. I have seen numerous "warnings" against dressing like a Japanese Geisha. People describe the Geisha costume as "Yellowface" because somehow they think that the Geisha costume mocks Asian people. They say the same thing about dressing like a Native American and wearing a headdress and face paint 

I'm left wondering, since when did Halloween become a comfortable and inclusive Holiday? I think for most people Halloween means wearing a silly costume while you get drunk with your friends. Halloween has never been about promoting the civic good and fighting racism. Moreover, why are we attempting to "sanitize" Halloween. Halloween is about horror and gore. Feeling uncomfortable is the exact meaning of Halloween. Yet, I say this with a bit of irony because nobody actually takes Halloween seriously in that sense--at least, I thought nobody did until now.

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Moving Pictures / Occult Ritual in Film
« on: October 22, 2014, 04:49:50 am »
That time of the year is upon us once again when modern society feigns belief in ghouls and ghosts, in witches covens and the not-quite-dead. It's all for fun and a good little scare--or so they say. My friends, I want to suggest to you all that things are not what they seem to be. Both films feature Occult Rituals. And in both films, the Occult Ritual leaves the viewer questioning whether reality really is as simple as it appears Here are two films I love to watch around Harvest time, when the clock winds down and the skies grow dark and gloomy:

The Wicker Man (1973)

No, not the piss-poor Nic Cage version. This one has Christopher Lee and a naked Britt Ecklund!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=21gb49H-Uo4

Eyes Wide Shut (1999)

Kidman, Cruise, Kubrick. Need I say more?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JTwRRwUb4IE

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My God Can Beat The Shit Out Of Your God / Re: Has anyone read the bible?
« on: October 14, 2014, 03:04:12 pm »
Quote from: Bad Company on October 14, 2014, 03:09:30 am
Quote from: Built To Last on October 14, 2014, 02:36:56 am

Actually, to pronounce YHWH as "yahweh" or "jehovah" is entirely inaccurate because, as we have already stated, that name wasn't allowed to be pronounced. The reason we think "yahweh" or "jehovah" is the name of God is because some ignorant person long ago tried to pronounce syllables that were never meant to be pronounced in the first place.

That ignorant person being the high priest correct?

No. The High Priest was the only person who knew how to pronounce the name of God and presumably he never told anyone except his successors. We have no way of knowing what the High Priest actually said when he pronounced the name of God.

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My God Can Beat The Shit Out Of Your God / Re: Has anyone read the bible?
« on: October 14, 2014, 02:36:56 am »


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The Jewish people were originally not allowed to utter the name of God, only the priests, hence the term 'inutterable name' which was often used. The fact is, the name of God as translated from the tetragrammaton (which is YHVH or YHWH) has been lost. There are no vowels, the term Jehovah or Ye-ho-wah as it probably should be pronounced is one translation, as is Yahweh.

The only person allowed to utter the name of God was the high priest of the temple. He was only allowed to say the unutterable name once per year, on the day of atonement, Rosh Hashanah, when he would go behind the veil into the holy of holies to present the sacrificial blood. 

Actually, to pronounce YHWH as "yahweh" or "jehovah" is entirely inaccurate because, as we have already stated, that name wasn't allowed to be pronounced. The reason we think "yahweh" or "jehovah" is the name of God is because some ignorant person long ago tried to pronounce syllables that were never meant to be pronounced in the first place.
 
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At the end of the day, Christ never referred to God as 'Jehovah' unless quoting from the ancient scrolls. As the model of the Christian walk, he referred to God as 'Father' which is how Christians should probably refer to God. Knowing his name is important yes, but in terms of the concept of a personal relationship with God the model of Father is far more logical (do you call your dad by his name?). I don't believe the bible translators were conspirators I just believe they were reflecting the traditions of the jewish people in their translations by using a supreme and all-encompassing title to reflect the name of God.

PS - the new world translation apparently had no qualified translators on board, and didn't use any of the ancient scrolls in translation. It's a contentious translation, but I guess so is the NIV for other reasons. There are biases.

PPS - the new world translation incorrently inserts the name of Jehovah into the new testament where titles such as Lord are used. There is also an interchangeable use of the term 'Lord' about Jesus and also God the Father, and they wanted to distinguish between those even though it didn't show that in the texts. they hate this obviously because they don't believe in the trinity.

yes, Bias all around.

Christianity turns the tables on the name of God. In Christianity the name of God is not "yahweh" or "jehovah" but Jesus. This is, Jesus is the name of God. Jesus is a name we can pronounce, call upon, and have a relationship with. Jesus is God incarnate in the flesh. This is why, when the Pharisees asks Jesus about his true identity, Jesus responds with, "I AM". Jesus is God, revealed.

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"Very truly I tell you," Jesus answered, "before Abraham was born, I am!" (John 8:58)

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My God Can Beat The Shit Out Of Your God / Re: Has anyone read the bible?
« on: October 14, 2014, 02:02:56 am »
Quote from: AlkieFish on October 07, 2014, 05:05:42 pm
Quote from: millionsofdeadcats on October 07, 2014, 05:02:52 pm
Quote from: AlkieFish on October 07, 2014, 04:57:39 pm
One thing about The holy Qur'an that is far superior

 :tdown:

You can hate it all you want, dead cat, but the fact that it is the original does make it far superior to something that has been translated and edited. Anyone who speaks more than one language will tell you that everything loses quality in translation.

Translation is the first act of interpretation.

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Head Shrinkers / I Get Suspicious When Receiving Compliments
« on: October 14, 2014, 01:34:22 am »
I get suspicious of other people when they compliment me. I do not really believe that they are being genuine. I feel like they must have some ulterior motive for complimenting me. I know I am not really as great as they are making me out to be.  There must be some other reason that they are complimenting me because I feel that what they are saying is untrue.

Does anyone else get this feeling? What does it mean?

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Politics: Left, Right, and Center / WI Gov's Campaign Abortion Ad Features Domestic Abuser
« on: October 13, 2014, 04:25:16 pm »
Do you remember Ray Rice? Remember how he was vilified by the media when a video emerged of him beating up his girlfriend? Remember how he ended up losing his job in the NFL because of this incident?

We were told by the media that this is the proper way of handing domestic abuse---as long as the abuser is a black male. But what if the domestic abuser is a white female?

Straight out of the Wisconsin Governor's race, a video from Democrat candidate Mary Burke which features Democrat activist and convicted domestic abuser Erin Forrest criticizing current governor Scott Walker for his stance on abortion:


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Why would Democratic gubernatorial candidate Mary Burke choose someone once charged with domestic abuse to star in her latest campaign ad?

Featured in Burke's 15-second abortion spot is Erin Forrest, a Democrat active in the party. She has been the Jefferson County Democratic Party chairwoman since at least 2011 and led the recall efforts against GOP Gov. Scott Walker in her county.

But in 2013, Forrest — who then went by the name Erin Sievert — was charged with two misdemeanor counts of domestic abuse, the first for battery and the second for disorderly conduct, for a scuffle she had with her then-husband.

http://www.jsonline.com/news/burke-ad-features-woman-once-charged-with-domestic-abuse-b99368960z1-278843361.html

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My God Can Beat The Shit Out Of Your God / Re: Has anyone read the bible?
« on: October 07, 2014, 04:44:29 pm »
Quote from: Soso0 on October 07, 2014, 03:21:02 am
Quote from: -SpectraL on October 06, 2014, 11:30:55 pm

Read it all through several times in several versions. The New World Translation is the most accurate. In the King James version, the word YHWH from the original manuscripts has been removed and been replaced with "Lord" and "God" (except for three places, Psalms 83:18 one of the remaining three), and many, many words have been intentionally translated incorrectly to suit the political correctness of the day. The original ancient manuscripts contained thousands of references to the real name of God, which is YHWH (JHVH in English), but only the New World Translation preserved them.
What would be wrong with just leaving in 'Lord' or 'God'

Many Jews and Christians do not speak the name of God, YHWH, so instead they say Lord.

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News of the World / Re: Ebola reaches Europe.
« on: October 07, 2014, 04:27:59 pm »
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If U.S. troops in Africa get the Ebola virus, they will be taken to the United States on a specially designed plane and get treatment there, said the top U.S. general overseeing operations in Africa.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/checkpoint/wp/2014/10/07/if-u-s-troops-get-ebola-in-africa-theyll-get-treatment-in-the-u-s/

Why the fuck are we sending American troops to Africa? What are they going to do, shoot the Ebola with guns? It is almost as if the government wants them to get infected and to bring the disease to America. smh  :facepalm:

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My God Can Beat The Shit Out Of Your God / Re: Has anyone read the bible?
« on: October 06, 2014, 03:51:45 pm »
I've skimmed through it once or twice. I prefer to read the New American Bible (NAB) or the New Revised Standard Version (NRSV).

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