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Title: Make your own ketchup
Post by: ed rush on May 22, 2014, 06:02:04 pm
You will need:
Cans of diced tomatoes in juice totaling 6lbs
1 Large onion, diced.
2 Tablespoons chili flakes
1 cup Cider Vinegar
1 cup White Vinegar
2 cups sugar
a pinch of allspice
salt to taste
Xanathan gum

In a pot, saute your onions in a bit of oil until translucent, add the allspice chili flakes and cook for a minute on low heat then throw in the vinegars and tomatoes and sugar and cook for about an hour or until reduced by 1/3. Season with salt to taste adding more chili flake if you like it more spicy. Puree in a blender adding small amounts of xanathan gum until it reaches the desired viscosity.
Title: Re: Make your own ketchup
Post by: Infinityshock on May 23, 2014, 12:50:31 am
why the fuck does everyone insist upon adding sugar to everything?  sugar is evil and has no place in a recipe unless it is a desert item.  if someone cant cook normal food without adding sugar to it they shouldnt be cooking

caveat:  sugar is a helluva lot better than any sweetener coming from a corn plant.  that shit should be de-invented
Title: Re: Make your own ketchup
Post by: Arnox on May 23, 2014, 01:15:33 am
why the fuck does everyone insist upon adding sugar to everything?  sugar is evil and has no place in a recipe unless it is a desert item.  if someone cant cook normal food without adding sugar to it they shouldnt be cooking

caveat:  sugar is a helluva lot better than any sweetener coming from a corn plant.  that shit should be de-invented
Actually, I kinda agree. Sweet crap should not be anything other than some sort of dessert item or drink.
Title: Re: Make your own ketchup
Post by: Infinityshock on May 23, 2014, 01:18:15 am
they do it because sugar is something the human body naturally craves and even if the food tastes like shit, if theres sugar in it people will still like it
Title: Re: Make your own ketchup
Post by: ed rush on May 23, 2014, 01:59:07 pm
You guys are fucking morons.
Title: Re: Make your own ketchup
Post by: Infinityshock on May 23, 2014, 04:24:23 pm
You're the one adding sugar to ketchup,  fat bastard

With that culinary abortion you may as well add tomatoes to ice cream
Title: Re: Make your own ketchup
Post by: ed rush on May 23, 2014, 09:03:25 pm
You're the one adding sugar to ketchup,  fat bastard

With that culinary abortion you may as well add tomatoes to ice cream

If you can find a bottle of ketchup at store without sugar or a sweetner of some kind post a pic. It won't happen because you have no idea what you are talking about.
Title: Re: Make your own ketchup
Post by: Cerealkiller on May 24, 2014, 12:25:05 am
As much as I hate hate hate to say this but Easy is right. What the sugar does is cuts the acidity in the tomatoes. Just made some creole sauce from scratch and had to add sugar to it for this exact reason.
Title: Re: Make your own ketchup
Post by: Infinityshock on May 24, 2014, 02:11:35 am
You're the one adding sugar to ketchup,  fat bastard

With that culinary abortion you may as well add tomatoes to ice cream

If you can find a bottle of ketchup at store without sugar or a sweetner of some kind post a pic. It won't happen because you have no idea what you are talking about.

they add sugar/sweetener to the food to make is more addictive...it has nothing to do with culinary talent.  the more addictive the food...the more money they make.
Title: Re: Make your own ketchup
Post by: ed rush on May 24, 2014, 04:50:50 am
You're the one adding sugar to ketchup,  fat bastard

With that culinary abortion you may as well add tomatoes to ice cream

If you can find a bottle of ketchup at store without sugar or a sweetner of some kind post a pic. It won't happen because you have no idea what you are talking about.

they add sugar/sweetener to the food to make is more addictive...it has nothing to do with culinary talent.  the more addictive the food...the more money they make.

:facepalm:
Title: Re: Make your own ketchup
Post by: fanglekai on May 24, 2014, 10:55:26 pm
Sweetness balances the acidity of the tomatoes. If you don't like sugar you can use raw unfiltered honey instead for even more flavor.
Title: Re: Make your own ketchup
Post by: Infinityshock on May 24, 2014, 11:56:52 pm
its only balanced if the person prefers the taste of sugar over the taste of tomatoes. 

i heat the 'acid' claim being made about tomatoes but ive never noticed. 
Title: Re: Make your own ketchup
Post by: Infinityshock on May 25, 2014, 04:49:09 pm
another example of excessive use of sugar...

i was just trying to buy sausage and every single one had a major ingredient of 'sugar' or 'high fructose corn syrup.'  wtf?  i had to go to the natural foods section and literally pay double the price of the regular garbage for sausage that didnt have sweeteners in it.

also there were several sausages that were made from 'mechanically separated <insert animal name here>'
Title: Re: Make your own ketchup
Post by: fanglekai on May 26, 2014, 02:35:33 am
its only balanced if the person prefers the taste of sugar over the taste of tomatoes. 

i heat the 'acid' claim being made about tomatoes but ive never noticed.

They're acidic. Take a carbon steel knife and slice up some tomatoes. A patina will form fairly quickly.
Title: Re: Make your own ketchup
Post by: Infinityshock on May 26, 2014, 02:41:18 am
its only balanced if the person prefers the taste of sugar over the taste of tomatoes. 

i heat the 'acid' claim being made about tomatoes but ive never noticed.

They're acidic. Take a carbon steel knife and slice up some tomatoes. A patina will form fairly quickly.

for shits and giggles i just sliced a tomato from my garden, several times, with a cutco knife and a chicago cutlery knife.  nothing...just some juices everywhere. no discoloration
Title: Re: Make your own ketchup
Post by: ed rush on May 26, 2014, 06:50:19 pm
its only balanced if the person prefers the taste of sugar over the taste of tomatoes. 

i heat the 'acid' claim being made about tomatoes but ive never noticed.

They're acidic. Take a carbon steel knife and slice up some tomatoes. A patina will form fairly quickly.

for shits and giggles i just sliced a tomato from my garden, several times, with a cutco knife and a chicago cutlery knife.  nothing...just some juices everywhere. no discoloration

Neither of those knives are carbon steel. If you are really trying to argue that tomatos aren't acidic then slash your wrists and squeeze a tomato over the wound before you bleed out.
Title: Re: Make your own ketchup
Post by: Infinityshock on May 26, 2014, 08:05:27 pm
Yea...id prefer to use knives that are actually useful for cutting and not just a rust stick

Edit: whos mugshot?
Title: Re: Make your own ketchup
Post by: fanglekai on May 28, 2014, 03:29:14 pm
Yea...id prefer to use knives that are actually useful for cutting and not just a rust stick

Edit: whos mugshot?

They aren't ruststicks. Use them, clean them, wipe them dry. Many high end chefs knives are made from Hitachi Aogami, Shirogami, W2, or even 1095 non-stainless steels. Nihonto are made from tamahagane, which is certainly not stainless, and many that are centuries old still survive. 
Title: Re: Make your own ketchup
Post by: Infinityshock on May 29, 2014, 12:51:13 am
Yea...id prefer to use knives that are actually useful for cutting and not just a rust stick

Edit: whos mugshot?

They aren't ruststicks. Use them, clean them, wipe them dry. Many high end chefs knives are made from Hitachi Aogami, Shirogami, W2, or even 1095 non-stainless steels. Nihonto are made from tamahagane, which is certainly not stainless, and many that are centuries old still survive.

im not a professional chef.  i may toss a knife into the sink to soak overnight.  i may leave a knife stuck in a piece of fruit for a couple of days in the fridge. all of my dishes get soaked in bleach after i was them and the low-quality cookwear (walmart pseudo-stainless mostly) starts corroding and rusting within a short period of time.  that is why i dont...and wont...use low-grade stainless or non-stainless knives.  rust is not on my list of favorite flavors
Title: Re: Make your own ketchup
Post by: fanglekai on May 29, 2014, 02:45:38 am
Yea...id prefer to use knives that are actually useful for cutting and not just a rust stick

Edit: whos mugshot?

They aren't ruststicks. Use them, clean them, wipe them dry. Many high end chefs knives are made from Hitachi Aogami, Shirogami, W2, or even 1095 non-stainless steels. Nihonto are made from tamahagane, which is certainly not stainless, and many that are centuries old still survive.

im not a professional chef.  i may toss a knife into the sink to soak overnight.  i may leave a knife stuck in a piece of fruit for a couple of days in the fridge. all of my dishes get soaked in bleach after i was them and the low-quality cookwear (walmart pseudo-stainless mostly) starts corroding and rusting within a short period of time.  that is why i dont...and wont...use low-grade stainless or non-stainless knives.  rust is not on my list of favorite flavors

"Quality" has nothing to do with corrosion resistance. Corrosion resistance is a material property. If that is a property you need you should pick a knife with a high free chromium %. I suggest the 8" or 10" Victorinox chefs knife. Highly corrosion resistant and excellent performance for its price.
Title: Re: Make your own ketchup
Post by: Infinityshock on May 29, 2014, 03:23:47 am
when i buy a knife i buy one that looks decent.  i dont perform a metallurgical analysis

the cutco one i bought was based on a sales pitch.  i didnt want to buy it but i told the chick if it cut thru a tire (i happened to have been changing out the tires on my car at the time) i would buy it.  surprisingly...the knife cut completely through a tire like a slice of bread, with very little resistance compared to what i would have expected.  the chick wasnt happy i did it...but she made the sale.
Title: Re: Make your own ketchup
Post by: buddha on May 29, 2014, 01:52:42 pm
I like this recipe for that fact that I can leave out the fucking sugar. Heinz makes a decent low sugar Ketchup, but it's still kind of sweet. Which is why I don't eat it, shit's nasty.
Title: Re: Make your own ketchup
Post by: Infinityshock on June 01, 2014, 10:41:15 am
I like this recipe for that fact that I can leave out the fucking sugar. Heinz makes a decent low sugar Ketchup, but it's still kind of sweet. Which is why I don't eat it, shit's nasty.

Eggzactly. I dont see why everyone equates sweetness to good food quality.  There are several different taste buds other than sweet that are available for stimulating
Title: Re: Make your own ketchup
Post by: Rowan on September 14, 2014, 09:16:55 pm
Recommend stevia as a sub for sugar. Depending on the season, what type of tomatoes you choose and where they are from you might get away without adding any sweetener but I would advise holding out judgement until you taste the final product.
Title: Re: Make your own ketchup
Post by: Rodrat on September 18, 2014, 04:24:06 am
The only problem with this recipe is it turns into ketchup *barf*
Title: Re: Make your own ketchup
Post by: Soso0 on September 18, 2014, 04:28:18 am
Can you make sketti with this
Title: Re: Make your own ketchup
Post by: Ninja on September 18, 2014, 04:37:49 am
Recommend stevia as a sub for sugar. Depending on the season, what type of tomatoes you choose and where they are from you might get away without adding any sweetener but I would advise holding out judgement until you taste the final product.

Stevia tastes like shit. 
Title: Re: Make your own ketchup
Post by: Ninja on September 18, 2014, 04:49:04 am
I went on a 10 day water fast and then slowly reintroduced my body to different foods.  It was like eating everything for the first time. I absolutely hate sugar. It is a vile thing to poison food. If people were more in tune with their food and the true tastes of different ingredients, they might have a healthier relationship with food.  Instead, we just add tons of sugar to everything to drown out the flavors.
Title: Re: Make your own ketchup
Post by: fanglekai on September 18, 2014, 05:04:09 am
I went on a 10 day water fast and then slowly reintroduced my body to different foods.  It was like eating everything for the first time. I absolutely hate sugar. It is a vile thing to poison food. If people were more in tune with their food and the true tastes of different ingredients, they might have a healthier relationship with food.  Instead, we just add tons of sugar to everything to drown out the flavors.

A little sugar balances out the vinegar and acid from the tomatoes.......but yeah don't use any sugar.......
Title: Re: Make your own ketchup
Post by: Ninja on September 18, 2014, 05:11:51 am
I went on a 10 day water fast and then slowly reintroduced my body to different foods.  It was like eating everything for the first time. I absolutely hate sugar. It is a vile thing to poison food. If people were more in tune with their food and the true tastes of different ingredients, they might have a healthier relationship with food.  Instead, we just add tons of sugar to everything to drown out the flavors.

A little sugar balances out the vinegar and acid from the tomatoes.......but yeah don't use any sugar.......

You just need something sweet, not necessarily sugar.  You could just as easily add honey or fruit juice.
Title: Re: Make your own ketchup
Post by: iam on September 18, 2014, 10:30:33 am
I swapped mik for soya milk for a few months, then ended up trying milk again. It's fucking vile. Honestly the taste and the smell knocks me sick
Title: Re: Make your own ketchup
Post by: fanglekai on September 18, 2014, 12:37:51 pm
I went on a 10 day water fast and then slowly reintroduced my body to different foods.  It was like eating everything for the first time. I absolutely hate sugar. It is a vile thing to poison food. If people were more in tune with their food and the true tastes of different ingredients, they might have a healthier relationship with food.  Instead, we just add tons of sugar to everything to drown out the flavors.

A little sugar balances out the vinegar and acid from the tomatoes.......but yeah don't use any sugar.......

You just need something sweet, not necessarily sugar.  You could just as easily add honey or fruit juice.

What's wrong with brown cane sugar?
Title: Re: Make your own ketchup
Post by: Rodrat on September 18, 2014, 04:49:04 pm
I went on a 10 day water fast and then slowly reintroduced my body to different foods.  It was like eating everything for the first time. I absolutely hate sugar. It is a vile thing to poison food. If people were more in tune with their food and the true tastes of different ingredients, they might have a healthier relationship with food.  Instead, we just add tons of sugar to everything to drown out the flavors.

A little sugar balances out the vinegar and acid from the tomatoes.......but yeah don't use any sugar.......

You just need something sweet, not necessarily sugar.  You could just as easily add honey or fruit juice.

What's wrong with brown cane sugar?
Nothing is wrong with brown cane sugar. Lots of different curries and other south Asian dishes call for different types of sugar as well. I actually love sweet foods which is funny to me as I usually don't like dessert.
Title: Re: Make your own ketchup
Post by: xbcnfujv on September 19, 2014, 07:19:43 am
this recipe is missing high-fructose corn-syrup.

:)
Title: Re: Make your own ketchup
Post by: fanglekai on September 19, 2014, 06:18:22 pm
I went on a 10 day water fast and then slowly reintroduced my body to different foods.  It was like eating everything for the first time. I absolutely hate sugar. It is a vile thing to poison food. If people were more in tune with their food and the true tastes of different ingredients, they might have a healthier relationship with food.  Instead, we just add tons of sugar to everything to drown out the flavors.

A little sugar balances out the vinegar and acid from the tomatoes.......but yeah don't use any sugar.......

You just need something sweet, not necessarily sugar.  You could just as easily add honey or fruit juice.

What's wrong with brown cane sugar?
Nothing is wrong with brown cane sugar. Lots of different curries and other south Asian dishes call for different types of sugar as well. I actually love sweet foods which is funny to me as I usually don't like dessert.

They're making it sound like sugar ruins everything.....:facepalm:

I use light brown cane sugar most of the time in sauces instead of white sugar. Sometimes I use raw unfiltered honey.
Title: Re: Make your own ketchup
Post by: Rodrat on September 19, 2014, 08:23:01 pm
I went on a 10 day water fast and then slowly reintroduced my body to different foods.  It was like eating everything for the first time. I absolutely hate sugar. It is a vile thing to poison food. If people were more in tune with their food and the true tastes of different ingredients, they might have a healthier relationship with food.  Instead, we just add tons of sugar to everything to drown out the flavors.

A little sugar balances out the vinegar and acid from the tomatoes.......but yeah don't use any sugar.......

You just need something sweet, not necessarily sugar.  You could just as easily add honey or fruit juice.

What's wrong with brown cane sugar?
Nothing is wrong with brown cane sugar. Lots of different curries and other south Asian dishes call for different types of sugar as well. I actually love sweet foods which is funny to me as I usually don't like dessert.

They're making it sound like sugar ruins everything.....:facepalm:

I use light brown cane sugar most of the time in sauces instead of white sugar. Sometimes I use raw unfiltered honey.

Aw man, honey is where its at!
This might sound crazy, but the next time you crave a PB&J, get some Peanut butter, Honey and jalapeno raspberry jam. It is quite satisfying.
Title: Re: Make your own ketchup
Post by: Rowan on September 19, 2014, 09:08:34 pm
Recommend stevia as a sub for sugar. Depending on the season, what type of tomatoes you choose and where they are from you might get away without adding any sweetener but I would advise holding out judgement until you taste the final product.

Stevia tastes like shit.


It might not be for everyone and you might have to get used to the flavor or try a different brand/blend but at least it is not some highly toxic chemical like aspartame.

I went on a 10 day water fast and then slowly reintroduced my body to different foods.  It was like eating everything for the first time. I absolutely hate sugar. It is a vile thing to poison food. If people were more in tune with their food and the true tastes of different ingredients, they might have a healthier relationship with food.  Instead, we just add tons of sugar to everything to drown out the flavors.

A little sugar balances out the vinegar and acid from the tomatoes.......but yeah don't use any sugar.......

You just need something sweet, not necessarily sugar.  You could just as easily add honey or fruit juice.

Honey or fruit juice would drastically change the taste of this recipe however.
Title: Re: Make your own ketchup
Post by: bling bling on September 19, 2014, 09:10:19 pm
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wtf i would rather just smuggil it out of tescoes inside my cheeks then spit it into  a jar then go back in for more than do this shit
Title: Re: Make your own ketchup
Post by: Rowan on September 19, 2014, 09:11:55 pm
This might sound crazy, but the next time you crave a PB&J, get some Peanut butter, Honey and jalapeno raspberry jam. It is quite satisfying.

I have used jalapeno jelly as a sub for BBQ sauce....awesomeness. Little sweet, little spicey, not all runny and gooey. Also with marmalade as a dipping sauce for coconut shrimp and the like.
Title: Re: Make your own ketchup
Post by: fanglekai on September 19, 2014, 10:51:06 pm
I went on a 10 day water fast and then slowly reintroduced my body to different foods.  It was like eating everything for the first time. I absolutely hate sugar. It is a vile thing to poison food. If people were more in tune with their food and the true tastes of different ingredients, they might have a healthier relationship with food.  Instead, we just add tons of sugar to everything to drown out the flavors.

A little sugar balances out the vinegar and acid from the tomatoes.......but yeah don't use any sugar.......

You just need something sweet, not necessarily sugar.  You could just as easily add honey or fruit juice.

What's wrong with brown cane sugar?
Nothing is wrong with brown cane sugar. Lots of different curries and other south Asian dishes call for different types of sugar as well. I actually love sweet foods which is funny to me as I usually don't like dessert.

They're making it sound like sugar ruins everything.....:facepalm:

I use light brown cane sugar most of the time in sauces instead of white sugar. Sometimes I use raw unfiltered honey.

Aw man, honey is where its at!
This might sound crazy, but the next time you crave a PB&J, get some Peanut butter, Honey and jalapeno raspberry jam. It is quite satisfying.

I've had raspberry jalapeno jam. It's a slightly weird yet defnitely tasty combination. I also used to eat peanut butter and honey sandwiches instead of PB&J when I was younger.
Title: Re: Make your own ketchup
Post by: Rodrat on September 20, 2014, 04:47:51 am
I went on a 10 day water fast and then slowly reintroduced my body to different foods.  It was like eating everything for the first time. I absolutely hate sugar. It is a vile thing to poison food. If people were more in tune with their food and the true tastes of different ingredients, they might have a healthier relationship with food.  Instead, we just add tons of sugar to everything to drown out the flavors.

A little sugar balances out the vinegar and acid from the tomatoes.......but yeah don't use any sugar.......

You just need something sweet, not necessarily sugar.  You could just as easily add honey or fruit juice.

What's wrong with brown cane sugar?
Nothing is wrong with brown cane sugar. Lots of different curries and other south Asian dishes call for different types of sugar as well. I actually love sweet foods which is funny to me as I usually don't like dessert.

They're making it sound like sugar ruins everything.....:facepalm:

I use light brown cane sugar most of the time in sauces instead of white sugar. Sometimes I use raw unfiltered honey.

Aw man, honey is where its at!
This might sound crazy, but the next time you crave a PB&J, get some Peanut butter, Honey and jalapeno raspberry jam. It is quite satisfying.

I've had raspberry jalapeno jam. It's a slightly weird yet defnitely tasty combination. I also used to eat peanut butter and honey sandwiches instead of PB&J when I was younger.

My jar is about to run out so I will try making my own. Though that's for a different thread.
Title: Re: Make your own ketchup
Post by: fanglekai4 on September 20, 2014, 04:49:45 am
I went on a 10 day water fast and then slowly reintroduced my body to different foods.  It was like eating everything for the first time. I absolutely hate sugar. It is a vile thing to poison food. If people were more in tune with their food and the true tastes of different ingredients, they might have a healthier relationship with food.  Instead, we just add tons of sugar to everything to drown out the flavors.

A little sugar balances out the vinegar and acid from the tomatoes.......but yeah don't use any sugar.......

You just need something sweet, not necessarily sugar.  You could just as easily add honey or fruit juice.

What's wrong with brown cane sugar?
Nothing is wrong with brown cane sugar. Lots of different curries and other south Asian dishes call for different types of sugar as well. I actually love sweet foods which is funny to me as I usually don't like dessert.

They're making it sound like sugar ruins everything.....:facepalm:

I use light brown cane sugar most of the time in sauces instead of white sugar. Sometimes I use raw unfiltered honey.

Aw man, honey is where its at!
This might sound crazy, but the next time you crave a PB&J, get some Peanut butter, Honey and jalapeno raspberry jam. It is quite satisfying.

I've had raspberry jalapeno jam. It's a slightly weird yet defnitely tasty combination. I also used to eat peanut butter and honey sandwiches instead of PB&J when I was younger.

My jar is about to run out so I will try making my own. Though that's for a different thread.

Interesting. I'll have to give that a try if you post the recipe.