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Carnality => Better Living Through Chemistry => Topic started by: HaitiSpaceAgency on November 17, 2014, 01:07:07 am
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I'm at the end of my rope here and i'm ready to get the fuck off benzos once and for all. Been taking 4mgs of it a day for as long as I can remember. really not a problem until recently since I've been put on probation and don't want to violate if I ever get drug tested. My first visit with my PO I told her I violated probation by tapering off "xanax" and she's like ok thats fine now that you're off the xanax. She didn't drug test me but you know they'll throw a DT in there some time during my year long probation. Probably next visit for her to see if I've really stopped the drug use.
Not only for my legal predicament but for my mental health as well. long term benzo use can lead to alzheimers I've read and thats just something i'd much rather avoid.
So what would be the best course of action here? Going to a doctor and trying to get a legit benzo subscription and then tapering off on my schedule using the ashton manual method of it? Always the chance of the Doctor not prescribing the benzo and giving some other shit like an antidepressant. Being straight up with a doctor and saying i'm addicted and I'd like to have some k-pins or something with a long half life to help me ween off? This would for sure put me on a list of drug users database or whatever and get prescribed Ibuprofen instead of opiates should I sustain some painful injury in the future. Rehab center seems a bit over kill, though probably what I need. This would in turn cost lots of money, cause lots of embarrassment amongst my family, and cause me to lose my job.
I really don't know what to do. Trying to get a legit script for anxiety seems the best option here unless I can use something like phenibut(of which i have 100gs) or other gabagenerics if there are any to replace benzos and not cause a positive benzo reault on a drug test that may or may not happen. My charge had nothing to do with drugs so I might not ever get drug tested but still I want to get off this shit and start the long process of mental recovery so I can be me old self again instead of benz'd out all day.
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-alex
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can you not taper etizolam? I don't know about a schedule, but maybe have a set daily dose and halve every week or two?
I guess it depends on how long you've been at it and how addicted you are. if willpower/keeping to the schedule is a problem, do you have a friend or family member that can hold onto it and act as a dispenser?
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can you not taper etizolam? I don't know about a schedule, but maybe have a set daily dose and halve every week or two?
I guess it depends on how long you've been at it and how addicted you are. if willpower/keeping to the schedule is a problem, do you have a friend or family member that can hold onto it and act as a dispenser?
oh yes i can taper etizolam, and i'm doing so now trying to cut .5mg every week but the issue is next month at my PO visit I don't know if I'll be drug tested and violate my probation and go to prison for 2 years, hence wanting to have a legitimate script would be best case scenario methinks. My PO seems real nise so maybe if I go to a Narcotics Anonymous class or two before my next visit and just level with her that I relapsed she'll have mercy on me seeing i'm trying to deal with it, and not send me to prison.
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I'm at the end of my rope here and i'm ready to get the fuck off benzos once and for all. Been taking 4mgs of it a day for as long as I can remember. really not a problem until recently since I've been put on probation and don't want to violate if I ever get drug tested. My first visit with my PO I told her I violated probation by tapering off "xanax" and she's like ok thats fine now that you're off the xanax. She didn't drug test me but you know they'll throw a DT in there some time during my year long probation. Probably next visit for her to see if I've really stopped the drug use.
Not only for my legal predicament but for my mental health as well. long term benzo use can lead to alzheimers I've read and thats just something i'd much rather avoid.
So what would be the best course of action here? Going to a doctor and trying to get a legit benzo subscription and then tapering off on my schedule using the ashton manual method of it? Always the chance of the Doctor not prescribing the benzo and giving some other shit like an antidepressant. Being straight up with a doctor and saying i'm addicted and I'd like to have some k-pins or something with a long half life to help me ween off? This would for sure put me on a list of drug users database or whatever and get prescribed Ibuprofen instead of opiates should I sustain some painful injury in the future. Rehab center seems a bit over kill, though probably what I need. This would in turn cost lots of money, cause lots of embarrassment amongst my family, and cause me to lose my job.
I really don't know what to do. Trying to get a legit script for anxiety seems the best option here unless I can use something like phenibut(of which i have 100gs) or other gabagenerics if there are any to replace benzos and not cause a positive benzo reault on a drug test that may or may not happen. My charge had nothing to do with drugs so I might not ever get drug tested but still I want to get off this shit and start the long process of mental recovery so I can be me old self again instead of benz'd out all day.
Help
-alex
if you have a drug case they will test you if its probie for theft or violence you wont get tested. did you get tested your first visit? no then your fine.
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Tell the doctor about your habit. Emphasize you're afraid of having seizures, and even lie and say you've had them in the past when quitting those doses cold turkey. I've done that before myself when I actually was afraid of having another seizure, and it worked.
Only gave me like 2-3 day's worth though, because they weren't my primary care GP as I was in another state. They may refer you elsewhere, but so long as you're actively seeking medical help and following their instruction you won't get in any trouble here. Get that initial script and go from there. You don't have to tell your PO why you're on a script, and just having it will be enough to keep you safe from the law.
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Since this is a already a thread on what I was considering. . .
Over roughly the past 5 weeks I've been through 94mg of etizolam (about to be 95, fuck it) and I'm not sure how much alcohol. Probably about 2x bottles of wine 3x a week give or take, which I've been keeping to in the past quite regularly. I've often been taking at least take .5 in the morning, but no large doses. I've never gotten the shakes or anything like that in the past from drinking or other benzo use.
Do you think I'll experience withdrawals? I'm thinking of just getting some valerian root and tapering my (now) last 5mg in .5mg in halves when needed and maybe a tall can if things get too antsy. Really I'm concerned about some sort of withdrawal induced panic attack. Already I'm a pretty antsy guy, so if it were to happen I'd say I'm good candidate. The thing is it seems like that first GABA withdrawal induced panic attack can open the flood gates to the flood of shit.
Also to OP: While I know they are not exactly similar have you considered using some shit like gabapentine for the end of a taper? It is lame but seems to help from what I've read. Also pretty legal (as opposed to prison sentences for a scheduled drug) without a script as far as meds go in most place. I'll also make a wild guess and say it wont show up and a standard drug panel.
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Since this is a already a thread on what I was considering. . .
Over roughly the past 5 weeks I've been through 94mg of etizolam (about to be 95, fuck it) and I'm not sure how much alcohol. Probably about 2x bottles of wine 3x a week give or take, which I've been keeping to in the past quite regularly. I've often been taking at least take .5 in the morning, but no large doses. I've never gotten the shakes or anything like that in the past from drinking or other benzo use.
Do you think I'll experience withdrawals? I'm thinking of just getting some valerian root and tapering my (now) last 5mg in .5mg in halves when needed and maybe a tall can if things get too antsy. Really I'm concerned about some sort of withdrawal induced panic attack. Already I'm a pretty antsy guy, so if it were to happen I'd say I'm good candidate. The thing is it seems like that first GABA withdrawal induced panic attack can open the flood gates to the flood of shit.
Also to OP: While I know they are not exactly similar have you considered using some shit like gabapentine for the end of a taper? It is lame but seems to help from what I've read. Also pretty legal (as opposed to prison sentences for a scheduled drug) without a script as far as meds go in most place. I'll also make a wild guess and say it wont show up and a standard drug panel.
I was pretty prone to seizures even before developing epilepsy so it could have just been bad luck in my case, but I've ended up seizing after taking roughly that much over a month or so. If you can afford it please see a doctor and explain to them what's up, but say you've been taking clonazepam or something. With etiz being a somewhat lesser known analogue they may not take you as seriously, and it could result in more drugs being scheduled in time. Really emphasize that you're freaked out you might have seizures.
A lot of the time with benzo withdrawal I wouldn't get shaky, and only felt very slightly "off" a couple hours before the seizure occured. Sometimes I didn't even notice and just ended up seizing at school or something, which is totally embarrassing and expensive because someone always flips out and calls 911. Like we can afford ambulance rides, amirite? :/
Benzo WD is nothing to fuck with. Unless you have a really good reason not to, like you're wanted for murder or something, do whatever you can to see a doctor and get slowly weaned off. Lest you end up needing expensive surgeries or something lol :(
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I was gonna do a 'Quitting is for Losers' comment.
But I like you Haiti
I will PM you
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Also, for Haiti... if you're seeking medical help in quitting your drug addiction the legal way, there are laws in place to protect you from losing your job. It's very unlikely your employer would fire you for following doctor's orders and heading to rehab. And if they did you'd have grounds for a legal case.
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Also, for Haiti... if you're seeking medical help in quitting your drug addiction the legal way, there are laws in place to protect you from losing your job. It's very unlikely your employer would fire you for following doctor's orders and heading to rehab. And if they did you'd have grounds for a legal case.
Unless Haiti is ecretly mexican then he has no rights.
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Guess he could be Haitian, but that was just a hip hop song.
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I'm at the end of my rope here and i'm ready to get the fuck off benzos once and for all. Been taking 4mgs of it a day for as long as I can remember. really not a problem until recently since I've been put on probation and don't want to violate if I ever get drug tested. My first visit with my PO I told her I violated probation by tapering off "xanax" and she's like ok thats fine now that you're off the xanax. She didn't drug test me but you know they'll throw a DT in there some time during my year long probation. Probably next visit for her to see if I've really stopped the drug use.
Not only for my legal predicament but for my mental health as well. long term benzo use can lead to alzheimers I've read and thats just something i'd much rather avoid.
So what would be the best course of action here? Going to a doctor and trying to get a legit benzo subscription and then tapering off on my schedule using the ashton manual method of it? Always the chance of the Doctor not prescribing the benzo and giving some other shit like an antidepressant. Being straight up with a doctor and saying i'm addicted and I'd like to have some k-pins or something with a long half life to help me ween off? This would for sure put me on a list of drug users database or whatever and get prescribed Ibuprofen instead of opiates should I sustain some painful injury in the future. Rehab center seems a bit over kill, though probably what I need. This would in turn cost lots of money, cause lots of embarrassment amongst my family, and cause me to lose my job.
I really don't know what to do. Trying to get a legit script for anxiety seems the best option here unless I can use something like phenibut(of which i have 100gs) or other gabagenerics if there are any to replace benzos and not cause a positive benzo reault on a drug test that may or may not happen. My charge had nothing to do with drugs so I might not ever get drug tested but still I want to get off this shit and start the long process of mental recovery so I can be me old self again instead of benz'd out all day.
Help
-alex
This looks familiar
didn't I already tell yo bitch ass how to do it
Just get 20-50 of the pills or an amount you can measure if you still fucking with shit and go down as naturally and as needed as possible 3 a day 2 a day half if you need it whatever BREH
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Coming off this stuff the safe way will take several weeks of very slowly lowering dosages.
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fuck it i'm just gonna keep on it if i get drug tested i'll just deal w/ it and do my time.
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Goddammit Haiti, can you really not think of a better strategy than that? There are other anxiolytics that don't show up on drug tests.
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That could result in you having seizures while incarcerated. On that hard floor, with minimal (also uncaring) medical staff around.
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Goddammit Haiti, can you really not think of a better strategy than that? There are other anxiolytics that don't show up on drug tests.
Such as? I'm just as worried about withdrawal seizures as I am about going to prison.
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Hope we didn't discourage you from getting off the stuff :/
Why not just talk to a doctor and get this going?
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Try diclazepam 2mg (=12mg diazepam, lasts 3 days) you can get it or otherwise flubromazepam 8mg (=6mg diazepam, lasts 5 days.)
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Always the chance of the Doctor not prescribing the benzo and giving some other shit like an antidepressant. Being straight up with a doctor and saying i'm addicted and I'd like to have some k-pins or something with a long half life to help me ween off? This would for sure put me on a list of drug users database or whatever and get prescribed Ibuprofen instead of opiates should I sustain some painful injury in the future.
Well, you could just tell them the symptoms of y disorder that x medication is usually prescribed for. Something that will account for the same failures as etizolam on a drug test. You may not even have to take much to trigger it, I don't know. And one that's considered non-abusable and generally easy to attain.
Rehab center seems a bit over kill, though probably what I need. This would in turn cost lots of money, cause lots of embarrassment amongst my family, and cause me to lose my job.
Going to jail/prison will cause this even worse! What will your charge be if you violate parole? If it's a felony you'll have trouble for it for the rest of your life, unless things have/are changed. Not to mention how much you'll hate the process and spending time in there.
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Always the chance of the Doctor not prescribing the benzo and giving some other shit like an antidepressant. Being straight up with a doctor and saying i'm addicted and I'd like to have some k-pins or something with a long half life to help me ween off? This would for sure put me on a list of drug users database or whatever and get prescribed Ibuprofen instead of opiates should I sustain some painful injury in the future.
Well, you could just tell them the symptoms of y disorder that x medication is usually prescribed for. Something that will account for the same failures as etizolam on a drug test. You may not even have to take much to trigger it, I don't know. And one that's considered non-abusable and generally easy to attain.
Rehab center seems a bit over kill, though probably what I need. This would in turn cost lots of money, cause lots of embarrassment amongst my family, and cause me to lose my job.
Going to jail/prison will cause this even worse! What will your charge be if you violate parole? If it's a felony you'll have trouble for it for the rest of your life, unless things have/are changed. Not to mention how much you'll hate the process and spending time in there.
Yes I'll have to go to a doctor. Maybe get on Lyrica thats a benzo yeah? To be frank I don't think I'll get drug tested cos my charge isn't drug related, but i'll need something to fall back on just in case I do. Not going to go into my charge anymore than its not drug related.
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You should switch to the phenibut completely. After you have settled yourself on that keep a taper log to chart your progress. The transition is guaranteed to be uncomfortable but atleast you won't have a seizure.
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What's your plan? I really hope you get this going, and do it the right way. It's pretty obvious that the links to Alzheimer's are real; taking benzos and the like is like the opposite of performing neuroplasticity exercises. And if you do have seizures from the withdrawal, that can cause a lot of terrible things to happen. Like lifelong neurological disorders or physical limitations, maybe. Where do you live? Dunno why I didn't think of this before, but last I heard in the US etizolam was legal. Gives a false positive for benzos and you'd likely run into some trouble after failing the screening, but after you fail that they send it in to a lab and those people determine exactly what detected in your urine. If you got your lawyer involved you probably wouldn't suffer legal consequences beyond the initial whatever and cleaning up the mess. Dunno if they'd take you to jail upon failing the screening or wait for the official results, but yeah.
Kind of a dick move though, bringing more attention to the drug. Guess it's not gonna maintain legal status forever, because of stuff like this.
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Always the chance of the Doctor not prescribing the benzo and giving some other shit like an antidepressant. Being straight up with a doctor and saying i'm addicted and I'd like to have some k-pins or something with a long half life to help me ween off? This would for sure put me on a list of drug users database or whatever and get prescribed Ibuprofen instead of opiates should I sustain some painful injury in the future.
Well, you could just tell them the symptoms of y disorder that x medication is usually prescribed for. Something that will account for the same failures as etizolam on a drug test. You may not even have to take much to trigger it, I don't know. And one that's considered non-abusable and generally easy to attain.
Rehab center seems a bit over kill, though probably what I need. This would in turn cost lots of money, cause lots of embarrassment amongst my family, and cause me to lose my job.
Going to jail/prison will cause this even worse! What will your charge be if you violate parole? If it's a felony you'll have trouble for it for the rest of your life, unless things have/are changed. Not to mention how much you'll hate the process and spending time in there.
Yes I'll have to go to a doctor. Maybe get on Lyrica thats a benzo yeah? To be frank I don't think I'll get drug tested cos my charge isn't drug related, but i'll need something to fall back on just in case I do. Not going to go into my charge anymore than its not drug related.
Well if you exposed yourself to old ladies you can blame it on the drugs
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A single dirty drop from your PO is not going to land you in jail for the weekend let alone prison. Your 2nd or 3rd dirty drop and you will start to spend 3-7 days in county.
If you are honest with your PO about what you are going through then they will let it slide. But the fact that you told them you were using drugs in the first place was just flat out idiotic.
Just keep on tapering as you were and you will be fine.
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A single dirty drop from your PO is not going to land you in jail for the weekend let alone prison. Your 2nd or 3rd dirty drop and you will start to spend 3-7 days in county.
If you are honest with your PO about what you are going through then they will let it slide. But the fact that you told them you were using drugs in the first place was just flat out idiotic.
Just keep on tapering as you were and you will be fine.
yeah i know i don't know why the fuck i told them i was using drugs I'm a fucking moran for that. i think i was blacked out from etizolam at the time.
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WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU WORRIED ABOUT,
etzolam is a thienodiazepine not a benzo. There is not a 5, 7, or 12 panel test that will trigger a positive. Even a sample sent for gc/ms will show negative. relax and take a few more etiz. Im tested every week and after a year on etiz - i show pure as a newborn BABE.
bollocks
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I did know that etiz technically isn't a benzo, but I was under the impression that it still showed up 8-panel tests... do you know which tests they were using?
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I did know that etiz technically isn't a benzo, but I was under the impression that it still showed up 8-panel tests... do you know which tests they were using?
no I didnt bother to ask....lol
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It's possible that some people don't test positive after taking etizolam, but I've never heard of a case until now. Definitely know people that have failed. Even SSRIs can cause a false benzo positive.
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