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Society => Oh the Humanities! => Topic started by: MoaningLisa on November 11, 2014, 09:05:29 pm
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embedding is disabled, click here for the youtube clip
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PC52toizz8U
here on huffington post, they say why they are mad about it.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/11/07/lil-jon-literally-i-cant_n_6124018.html?ncid=fcbklnkushpmg00000046&ir=Women
what do you think? does this video glamorize rape culture?
I think its a humorous exaggeration about people who go to parties, and suck the fun out of everything...bitch, why did you come to a party if you don't want to party?
I think tumblr is overreacting. what do you think?
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The comments on that video are hilarious. *repost
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More like "what MRAs are mad that femenazis are mad about this week". HuffPost and co only write this stuff because angry basement dwellers will rage over it.
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Everything about this should come with required reading. Recommendations include "25 Everyday Examples of Rape Culture," "Why Do We Blame Victims?" and "How to Not Be Terrible" (a piece that is not yet published, because it is being written in real tears that were cried over the song and music video "Literally, I Can't").
:lol:
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Shit is fire.
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If people are offended, these musicians have done their job :tup:
It totally is making fun of the University rape cases in the media though. Or I guess the political response to those cases, like what happened in California. Don't pretend it's not.
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If people are offended, these musicians have done their job :tup:
The only thing I found offensive about that video is that it's regarded as music.
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You ask if this video glamorizes rape culture. No it does not. When people say we have "Rape culture" in America/the west they mean to say "Sometimes I feel uncomfortable around men". Real rape culture is when groups of soldiers storm your villiage and rape all the women as a fear tactic a-la most African countries.
Though the video is rather misogynistic and moronic in that its telling our young folk to shut up and drink rather than be independent in your choices.
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If people are offended, these musicians have done their job :tup:
It totally is making fun of the University rape cases in the media though. Or I guess the political response to those cases, like what happened in California. Don't pretend it's not.
Art is that way, making an impact, getting people angry, its part of it. it means it was successful. I'm unfamiliar with the recent cases in california or the politics around it. only the direct implication of people who don't come to a party to party should leave.
If people are offended, these musicians have done their job :tup:
The only thing I found offensive about that video is that it's regarded as music.
I didn't say it was GOOD, its not what I listen to...but some girl posted it on facebook, and I thought it would make good discussion here.
You ask if this video glamorizes rape culture. No it does not. When people say we have "Rape culture" in America/the west they mean to say "Sometimes I feel uncomfortable around men". Real rape culture is when groups of soldiers storm your villiage and rape all the women as a fear tactic a-la most African countries.
Though the video is rather misogynistic and moronic in that its telling our young folk to shut up and drink rather than be independent in your choices.
why are there so many beautiful people in Sweden? the vikings didn't bring back the ugly ones.
people are grossly out of touch from what was going on only a few hundred years ago, getting pulled from your family, dragged to another land and expected to raise someone a family, now THAT is rape culture.
"he looked at my ass as I walked out of yoga class" is NOT rape culture.
the video is an exaggeration of a party, "I'm the DD" is enough to make people quit pressuring you to drink...not like people are too excited to give away alcohol anyways.
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The only thing I found offensive about that video is that it's regarded as music.
I didn't say it was GOOD, its not what I listen to...but some girl posted it on facebook, and I thought it would make good discussion here.
That wasn't a personal criticism, ML. I apologize if it came across as such.
I found the misogynistic overtones were almost drowned out by how breathtakingly shit I found this 'music'. I don't understand why fem's get riled, if they do, by this kind of material. It surely appeals most to idiots with no class; they will always be with us and the more easily they are spotted the better.
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I liked it. Mindless party music! Yeah!! xD
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I could do shots of tequila to this if there was a pool next to me.
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"rape culture"
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I already made a thread about this 3 days ago: http://www.intosanctuary.com/index.php?topic=4383.0
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Yeah but this thread gives context through which discussion may flourish.
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There's nothing to discuss. It's a party song about not being a fucking downer at parties. Anyone reading anything else into this song is fucking retarded. People commenting about "well girls shouldn't have to endure that at the party" are retarded. Why the fuck would you go to a frat party expecting it to be classy? That's like wearing a tuxedo and dress shoes on a cattle farm and complaining when you step in shit. People who cannot grasp that certain places have certain attributes are beyond retarded. Frat parties are not places to go when you want to abstain from alcohol. If you don't want to drink, stay home or go to the library. If you're going to a party then fucking be there to party.
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Considering the discussion this thread has spurred there is obviously something to discuss. Although I quite agree on pretty much everything else.
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I already made a thread about this 3 days ago: http://www.intosanctuary.com/index.php?topic=4383.0
I didn't see that thread.
look at the huffpost article if you haven't already.
I agree this is a video for simple minded indeviduals, but this is more about the even simpler individuals who can't see it for what it is.
why do these people exist, how did they get to the age where they are able to use a keyboard, without being cultured enough to understand this video? the message is not that hard to figure out...
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I already made a thread about this 3 days ago: http://www.intosanctuary.com/index.php?topic=4383.0
I didn't see that thread.
look at the huffpost article if you haven't already.
I agree this is a video for simple minded indeviduals, but this is more about the even simpler individuals who can't see it for what it is.
why do these people exist, how did they get to the age where they are able to use a keyboard, without being cultured enough to understand this video? the message is not that hard to figure out...
one of the comments was from a negress who was able to understand the message: don't be a debbie downer at parties.
impressive.
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THREAD MERGE
kthxbai
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I already made a thread about this 3 days ago: http://www.intosanctuary.com/index.php?topic=4383.0
I didn't see that thread.
look at the huffpost article if you haven't already.
I agree this is a video for simple minded indeviduals, but this is more about the even simpler individuals who can't see it for what it is.
why do these people exist, how did they get to the age where they are able to use a keyboard, without being cultured enough to understand this video? the message is not that hard to figure out...
Blame the no child left behind act
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I already made a thread about this 3 days ago: http://www.intosanctuary.com/index.php?topic=4383.0
I didn't see that thread.
look at the huffpost article if you haven't already.
I agree this is a video for simple minded indeviduals, but this is more about the even simpler individuals who can't see it for what it is.
why do these people exist, how did they get to the age where they are able to use a keyboard, without being cultured enough to understand this video? the message is not that hard to figure out...
my thread was in IFIOTW, the correct section LOL
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my thread was in IFIOTW, the correct section LOL
for a video you found on the web, discussing the video.
I'm trying to discuss the sociology behind it...so its here.
this thread went downhill fast...everyone post the stupidest funniest comments you can find about it.
this dude actually made a very compelling argument.
(http://i.imgur.com/DUFW8V2.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/Axyl3rG.png)
"I'm mad because it shows a party, where bad shit sometimes happens"
I'm in a college, and out of roughly 6,000 students, there was one legitimate rape last year. hardly one in four.
by that logic daredevil or thrillseeker videos are bad because sometimes bad shit happens.
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A lot of rapes go unreported because people are too ashamed, feel bad for what would happen to their attacker, or whatever. Really doubt only one rape occurred out of a university population of 6,000.
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A lot of rapes go unreported because people are too ashamed, feel bad for what would happen to their attacker, or whatever. Really doubt only one rape occurred out of a university population of 6,000.
likely, but what do you propose be done about it? the easier it's made to prosecute for rape, the less likely it is that false rape charges are discovered... and the punishment for a convicted rapist is in many ways worse than actually being raped. the problem's cultural and slow to change.
on another note, all these tumblr feminists seem obsessed with the word 'rape'. they fucking love it.
RAPE CULTURE! RAPE PROFILE! RAPERAPERAPERAPERAPE
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A lot of rapes go unreported because people are too ashamed, feel bad for what would happen to their attacker, or whatever. Really doubt only one rape occurred out of a university population of 6,000.
by rape you mean bitches got drunk and then felt embarrassed about their sexual desires so they had to say they got raped to save face.
what the fuck are these girls doing to get separated from their friends that would allow them to get put into a situation where sexual assault could occur? they aren't getting raped in a crowded living room at a house party. where is it taking place? a bedroom? behind some bushes? are they being forcibly taken somewhere? are they overpowered by a group?
i've heard a lot of girls claim shit. then when you hear the details it all breaks down into "i got super drunk and *blacked out* and then i got raped". how about taking some personal responsibility? 1) always go with friends 2) drink within your limits. how fucking difficult is that? if you get super wasted to the point you don't know what's going on then what are you expecting to happen around a bunch of horny guys? they're going to take advantage. this is known. anyone thinking otherwise lives in a fairytale. take steps to protect yourself.
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A lot of rapes go unreported because people are too ashamed, feel bad for what would happen to their attacker, or whatever. Really doubt only one rape occurred out of a university population of 6,000.
:cosby:
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Everything about this should come with required reading. Recommendations include "25 Everyday Examples of Rape Culture," "Why Do We Blame Victims?" and "How to Not Be Terrible" (a piece that is not yet published, because it is being written in real tears that were cried over the song and music video "Literally, I Can't").
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Wow, SJW's just continue to get even more pathetic.
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(http://i.imgur.com/DUFW8V2.png)
You have to have the burgers pretty bad if you don't understand the social script involved in a house party or understand why insulting people for not drinking isn't cool.
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by rape you mean bitches got drunk and then felt embarrassed about their sexual desires so they had to say they got raped to save face.
Yeah, because there's totally less stigma around being a rape victim than around having sex :jerkoff:
what the fuck are these girls doing to get separated from their friends that would allow them to get put into a situation where sexual assault could occur? they aren't getting raped in a crowded living room at a house party. where is it taking place? a bedroom? behind some bushes? are they being forcibly taken somewhere? are they overpowered by a group?
i've heard a lot of girls claim shit. then when you hear the details it all breaks down into "i got super drunk and *blacked out* and then i got raped". how about taking some personal responsibility? 1) always go with friends 2) drink within your limits. how fucking difficult is that? if you get super wasted to the point you don't know what's going on then what are you expecting to happen around a bunch of horny guys? they're going to take advantage. this is known. anyone thinking otherwise lives in a fairytale. take steps to protect yourself.
Lol, and now drinking too much or going somewhere alone now makes rape A-OK. Fuck, why don't we just hire professional rapers to stand outside bars and rape drunk or solo people because hey, they totally deserve it right?
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Yeah that's the big question. How to alleviate this rape problem. My university makes every student take a short course touching on this and some other stuff like discrimination. Most people aren't going to take it seriously, but I think it helps a little. And there are those rape alarms all over the place, but that's not really how rape works the vast majority of the time.
That nifty nail polish that detects GHB and stuff when dipped in a drink is a good idea, but doesn't do much at all to address the overarching problems. It's probably gonna take a major shift in culture to truly come to a solution here.
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all ypu need to fix the dilemma which is being called rape culture is booze
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why don't we just hire professional rapers to stand outside bars and rape drunk or solo people because hey, they totally deserve it right?
yeah, why don't we?
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More jobs right? Economic growth. Really we'd be stupid not to hire people to rape us.
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what credentials do I need to become a professional raper? I'm an amateur at the moment but I have the basics down and I've been complimented on my style and effectiveness in the past.
is there a short course I can take to get certified?
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These days it's like a 9 month program.
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what credentials do I need to become a professional raper? I'm an amateur at the moment but I have the basics down and I've been complimented on my style and effectiveness in the past.
is there a short course I can take to get certified?
I hear for the final they inject you with viagra and drop you off on random college campuses
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this thread went downhill fast...everyone post the stupidest funniest comments you can find about it.
CHALLENGE ACCEPTED
Let us start with an analysis of the videos setting and the behavior of the actors of roughly the first 60 seconds of the video. We start off with a group of very prim and proper looking females standing in front of a college frat house that appears to be the exact same frat house lil john host parties at. Considering what we can gather from the video the university is STFU (obviously acronymical and similar to what was seen in the film Accepted where the school is SHIT or something similar) which one can only assume is a wild party school where lil john hosts the parties and they are indeed wild! Now these ladies storm in! Lets consider how they act. At one point the head female of the group actually puts her gum in one newly disappointment party goers drink in a gesture of disapproval. After this some fine multiracial gentlemen give them a pick of beverage choices all being turned down ultimately with the phrase "Literally I cant!" "Ewww".
Now this obviously depicts a common female archetype seen across society. These women tent to overuse and misuse the term literally. They assume superiority over others because they don't partake in certain social activities they deem immoral. But when the reality of the situation is examined objectively we see this is not the case because their actions of judgement are misaligned with their own self view. Where they think they are taking on a righteous stance they are indeed simply being a bitch about it until the one minute end of the first minute.
If a group of female like this, who do not drink alcohol, or enjoy dancing, or social engagement were to enter a party with lil john and that one guy whose catch prase is "party rock" what do you think the outcome would be? Is it acceptable for them to storm in and throw their gum in peoples drinks and be outright hostile? No of course it isn't because they are going into the party with the intention of not partying and that's just not cool.
We hit the 1 Minute mark
Lil jon comes to his senses shouts O MUH GAWD! SHUT THE FUCK UP! (which actually gets the girl to stop saying "literally I cant" While they describe their parties. They aren't mean about it. They are just dancing and enjoying the party and the drinks and the atmosphere. How is that not an acceptable response to the current dispute? I mean honestly the women in this video were essentially asking to be told to leave. But they dont even do that! They keep partying in the face of these bitches literal oppression. They keep it fun and lighthearted and some of the former bitchy females realize what a good time is to be had joining the party.
The rest of the video is pretty much repetition of the two catchphrases. It obviously is saying that its not wrong to let loose once in a while. It pokes fun at the kind of people who take offense to it and tell them to "shut the fuck up". But their behavour says "if you do you will learn how awesome it is to party". Is that really such a bad message? Maybe if the people who took offense at this music video just let go once in a while they would be so tightly wound.
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All these fools going to college, they don't realize the big bucks are in vocational rape training.
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by rape you mean bitches got drunk and then felt embarrassed about their sexual desires so they had to say they got raped to save face.
Yeah, because there's totally less stigma around being a rape victim than around having sex :jerkoff:
what the fuck are these girls doing to get separated from their friends that would allow them to get put into a situation where sexual assault could occur? they aren't getting raped in a crowded living room at a house party. where is it taking place? a bedroom? behind some bushes? are they being forcibly taken somewhere? are they overpowered by a group?
i've heard a lot of girls claim shit. then when you hear the details it all breaks down into "i got super drunk and *blacked out* and then i got raped". how about taking some personal responsibility? 1) always go with friends 2) drink within your limits. how fucking difficult is that? if you get super wasted to the point you don't know what's going on then what are you expecting to happen around a bunch of horny guys? they're going to take advantage. this is known. anyone thinking otherwise lives in a fairytale. take steps to protect yourself.
Lol, and now drinking too much or going somewhere alone now makes rape A-OK. Fuck, why don't we just hire professional rapers to stand outside bars and rape drunk or solo people because hey, they totally deserve it right?
Do you go to shit areas of town and flash cash and valuables? Do you leave your house unlocked? Do you leave your car unlocked?
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all ypu need to fix the dilemma which is being called rape culture is booze
Alcohol is secondary to the actual issue. The problem is people not taking responsibility for their own safety. Sex is a commodity. It's in magazines, on tv, in movies, and everywhere because it sells. Sex is glorified.
The world is a dangerous place. Anyone who thinks otherwise is a moron. I'm surprised that so many people on a site like this fail to grasp such a simple concept. You protect yourself at all times. I don't go around making myself a target to get mugged. I don't stumble around drunk at 4 am in bad parts of town. Why? Maybe because I don't want bad shit to happen.
Someone tell me how many girls have been raped in the middle of a crowded room of people at a house party. Tell many how many got raped with their friends right there with them.
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Do you go to shit areas of town and flash cash and valuables? Do you leave your house unlocked? Do you leave your car unlocked?
I live in a fairly shitty part of town and leave my door unlocked most of the time. That's besides the point. If you got robbed in a shitty part of town and the police arrested the person who did it do you think they should just be let go because hey, you didn't do enough to protect yourself.
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Do you go to shit areas of town and flash cash and valuables? Do you leave your house unlocked? Do you leave your car unlocked?
I live in a fairly shitty part of town and leave my door unlocked most of the time. That's besides the point. If you got robbed in a shitty part of town and the police arrested the person who did it do you think they should just be let go because hey, you didn't do enough to protect yourself.
So you agree that criminals commit crimes. Punishment is incidental to this argument and not what we're discussing. The issue we are discussing is what measures can be taken to attempt to prevent becoming the victim of a criminal. You leave your door unlocked. Do you play russian roulette too? It sounds like you're very cavalier with your lack of safety. Do you have a wife or kids that live with you? If you did would you lock your door at night?
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I guess I should ask what the point of your original post was then? Why say:
what the fuck are these girls doing to get separated from their friends that would allow them to get put into a situation where sexual assault could occur? they aren't getting raped in a crowded living room at a house party. where is it taking place? a bedroom? behind some bushes? are they being forcibly taken somewhere? are they overpowered by a group?
i've heard a lot of girls claim shit. then when you hear the details it all breaks down into "i got super drunk and *blacked out* and then i got raped". how about taking some personal responsibility? 1) always go with friends 2) drink within your limits. how fucking difficult is that? if you get super wasted to the point you don't know what's going on then what are you expecting to happen around a bunch of horny guys? they're going to take advantage. this is known. anyone thinking otherwise lives in a fairytale. take steps to protect yourself
Why say any of that if you weren't trying to vindicate rapists to some degree? Like so what? Yeah, some women have the audacity to do things while not in a pack, and it's sad commentary that that's considered risky behaviour. But that doesn't make anything about the rape OK, it doesn't mean anyone deserved it.
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It's probably gonna take a major shift in culture to truly come to a solution here.
True, I think women need to be more opened-minded and accepting about who they're prepared to have sex with and stop discriminating against men who fail to meet their unrealistically media-biased standards.
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I guess I should ask what the point of your original post was then? Why say:
Why say any of that if you weren't trying to vindicate rapists to some degree? Like so what? Yeah, some women have the audacity to do things while not in a pack, and it's sad commentary that that's considered risky behaviour. But that doesn't make anything about the rape OK, it doesn't mean anyone deserved it.
How does any of what fang says vindicate rapist behavior? How is it wrong to say that it is each individuals responsibility to keep themselves safe? And no the fact that a female puts herself in a situation where she gets raped doesn't mean that rape was okay it simply means that the aforementioned female decided to forgo assurance of her personal safety and is dealing with the consequences. I understand why is isn't right to victim blame but to say "Maybe you should have thought how the males would react" shouldn't exactly be taboo.
Also while it may sound gross the best way to stop someone from raping you isn't even fighting back. Its shitting and or pissing. This is legitimately the number one way to stop a rape. But do any of these women ever take this action during their rapes? Nahhh. They decided to let him have his way and scream about it after. Rather than doing something, even so desperate as shitting yourself, a majority of rape victims more or less let it happen. It just seems weird to me.
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Well that's what I was asking, why even say it if has no normative force in this discussion? What does it matter if a woman does everything or nothing to stop a rape? What does that change? How is it relevant?
It doesn't seem to be relevant at all unless you're trying to say rape victims deserve it somehow.
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I don't think anyone here is saying people deserved to be raped, but that you can avoid being raped by taking precautions.
People don't deserve to be burned by fire. But if you play with fire, and don't take the proper precautions, you may find yourself burned.
How is it relevant? I suppose if people were more cautious, they would be raped less often. In no way does that imply fault on the victim's behalf.
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Well that's what I was asking, why even say it if has no normative force in this discussion? What does it matter if a woman does everything or nothing to stop a rape? What does that change? How is it relevant?
It doesn't seem to be relevant at all unless you're trying to say rape victims deserve it somehow.
If a woman does everything in her power to stop their own rape it would significantly change the chance that the rape will be successful. How is education of females on how to avoid/prevent/defend against rape not relevant to the conversation?
And nothing I have said implied that rape victim deserves it. I imply that potential rape victims deserve to be aware of how to avoid/prevent/defend against their own potential rape. In no way is that victim blaming and in every way it is empowerment.
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I think the key is drinking within your limits and partying with friends.
personally, I've found that because I'm a scrawny motherfucker, 3 mixed drinks (mixed by me obviously) is enough to have a good time, and keep my wits about me. I can pull it together when campus police comes by, but I'm still loose enough to have fun, and have my inhibitions suppressed to match the "party" atmosphere.
every time I hear about something sketchy happen, anywhere, the girl was partying alone, or with friends who got equally shitfaced. there is no point in having friends with you if they are too drunk to do anything to help.
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So if you're more cautious to prevent a thing from happening... it's less likely to happen? Yup, that really needed to be said, didn't it
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So if you're more cautious to prevent a thing from happening... it's less likely to happen? Yup, that really needed to be said, didn't it
Apparently so. Anyway, it's more relevant than whatever you're saying now.
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So if you're more cautious to prevent a thing from happening... it's less likely to happen? Yup, that really needed to be said, didn't it
But it does need to be said considering how many people get raped. Some people like to think the world is a nice place and bad things wont happen to them. These people need to hear the importance of being cautious because its they who are being raped. These people need to be aware of ways to make themselves safe for real and prevent/stop potential rapes rather than living with a false sense of security.
Just because it makes sense that being cautious prevents bad things happening doesn't mean people know when to be cautious or what to be cautious about. It just means that they understand where caution is helpful rather than choosing to implement cautious behavior.
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So if you're more cautious to prevent a thing from happening... it's less likely to happen? Yup, that really needed to be said, didn't it
as a counterpoint to the people who get upset every time it's mentioned, yeah.
if it's bushfire season and peoples' houses have already burned, news outlets will generally warn people to clear up dry leaves and deadwood etc. because it serves as a reminder, even if it does seem obvious. same goes for carjackings, local burglaries and the like.
whenever people are advised to be aware of risks and take precautions regarding rape, however, there's always a chorus of 'victim blaming' and 'it's my choice' and other silly shit. granted, in some cases people have laid responsibility with the victim, but that doesn't mean that you should NOT take precautions - 'slut walk' and the like, for example focus on the fact that people shouldn't be raped and actively decry such precautions. their ideals are out of touch with reality, in that they seem to think rapists will just stop raping if they're noisy enough.
tl;dr: idealism will not un-rape you.
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So if you're more cautious to prevent a thing from happening... it's less likely to happen? Yup, that really needed to be said, didn't it
as a counterpoint to the people who get upset every time it's mentioned, yeah.
if it's bushfire season and peoples' houses have already burned, news outlets will generally warn people to clear up dry leaves and deadwood etc. because it serves as a reminder, even if it does seem obvious. same goes for carjackings, local burglaries and the like.
whenever people are advised to be aware of risks and take precautions regarding rape, however, there's always a chorus of 'victim blaming' and 'it's my choice' and other silly shit. granted, in some cases people have laid responsibility with the victim, but that doesn't mean that you should NOT take precautions - 'slut walk' and the like, for example focus on the fact that people shouldn't be raped and actively decry such precautions. their ideals are out of touch with reality, in that they seem to think rapists will just stop raping if they're noisy enough.
tl;dr: idealism will not un-rape you.
This. I equate their mentality with things like "i shouldn't wear a seatbelt because i'll never get into a car wreck" or "i don't need to read about food ingredients i'll let the food factories do that for me". Stupid examples but the idea is people wanting to shift responsibility from themselves onto other people. This doesn't make sense in the real world because criminals will always exist unless an orwellian society is implemented. The danger is always present. You cannot trust strangers. You shouldn't give people the opportunity to make you a victim.
Look at the situations where sexual assaults happen on college campuses. Alcohol is a factor 9 times out of 10. I read about an alleged rape on my college campus. The girl was drinking in a frat guy's bedroom and passed out or something. What the fuck was she doing that for? That's like covering yourself in salmon guts and honey and wandering around a bear-infested area during feeding time before hibernation season.
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Look at the situations where sexual assaults happen on college campuses. Alcohol is a factor 9 times out of 10. I read about an alleged rape on my college campus. The girl was drinking in a frat guy's bedroom and passed out or something. What the fuck was she doing that for? That's like covering yourself in salmon guts and honey and wandering around a bear-infested area during feeding time before hibernation season.
Lol, you're more of a man hater than so called "fenenazis" if your impression of the average man is that we're all so devoid of basic morality as to have no more power to resist raping a sleeping woman than a bear has to resist a meal.
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Really Lanny? That isn't even in accurate interpretation of the guys post... :facepalm:
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Look at the situations where sexual assaults happen on college campuses. Alcohol is a factor 9 times out of 10. I read about an alleged rape on my college campus. The girl was drinking in a frat guy's bedroom and passed out or something. What the fuck was she doing that for? That's like covering yourself in salmon guts and honey and wandering around a bear-infested area during feeding time before hibernation season.
Lol, you're more of a man hater than so called "fenenazis" if your impression of the average man is that we're all so devoid of basic morality as to have no more power to resist raping a sleeping woman than a bear has to resist a meal.
You don't understand similes :facepalm:
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No, I understand simile just fine. You probably actually meant "analogy" though, they're different things.
In any case, I don't think anyone has a right to bait bears with food and expect not to be mauled. I do think everyone has the right to pass out in a person's bedroom without being raped.
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that's what I was talking about - it's not about rights, it's about risk.
while I wouldn't say it was her fault, I personally would not be getting blackout drunk alone with some guy in his bedroom if I knew he wanted to have sex with me.
nowhere does that say all men would do it either, just that it's a rather precarious position to be putting yourself in.
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yeah, there are fucked up people in the world, its just a fact of life...blame the fucked up people, alright fine, but that isn't going to change that fact.
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that's what I was talking about - it's not about rights, it's about risk.
while I wouldn't say it was her fault, I personally would not be getting blackout drunk alone with some guy in his bedroom if I knew he wanted to have sex with me.
nowhere does that say all men would do it either, just that it's a rather precarious position to be putting yourself in.
Fine, but when we start making bear analogies and the like there's this added implication, intentional or not, that the rapist is somehow not culpable in the same way most people wouldn't hold a bear responsible for mauling a person "covered in salmon guts and honey".
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Intoxicated people cannot legally give consent in a lot of states.
Just fyi.
Pro tip: Don't ever fuck a drunk chick you just met at the bar. Don't allow yourself to be seduced by one either. Stupidest shit you could ever do/asking for problems. Once the firecracker is lit you run away, not towards it.
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No, I understand simile just fine. You probably actually meant "analogy" though, they're different things.
In any case, I don't think anyone has a right to bait bears with food and expect not to be mauled. I do think everyone has the right to pass out in a person's bedroom without being raped.
A simile is a comparison using like or as. thanks for playing.
1. we know there are criminals and rapists out there.
2. women know this.
3. women need to take it upon themselves to have responsibility for their own safety and not rely on strangers, random people, or others to protect them
4. since women are equal to men and men are expected to protect themselves women have to do the same or they violate feminism
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No, I understand simile just fine. You probably actually meant "analogy" though, they're different things.
In any case, I don't think anyone has a right to bait bears with food and expect not to be mauled. I do think everyone has the right to pass out in a person's bedroom without being raped.
A simile is a comparison using like or as. thanks for playing.
1. we know there are criminals and rapists out there.
2. women know this.
3. women need to take it upon themselves to have responsibility for their own safety and not rely on strangers, random people, or others to protect them
4. since women are equal to men and men are expected to protect themselves women have to do the same or they violate feminism
Nice job not responding to my post btw
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No, I understand simile just fine. You probably actually meant "analogy" though, they're different things.
In any case, I don't think anyone has a right to bait bears with food and expect not to be mauled. I do think everyone has the right to pass out in a person's bedroom without being raped.
A simile is a comparison using like or as. thanks for playing.
1. we know there are criminals and rapists out there.
2. women know this.
3. women need to take it upon themselves to have responsibility for their own safety and not rely on strangers, random people, or others to protect them
4. since women are equal to men and men are expected to protect themselves women have to do the same or they violate feminism
this
growing up in a ghetto taught me a lot about personal safety sure you SHOULD be allowed to take a leisurely walk where you please but guess what you can't control other people and if you put yourself in a shit ass dumb situation and get popped for it you should realize you have the ability and the responsibility to extricate yourself from a place of danger or avoid it entirely if possible
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1. we know there are criminals and rapists out there.
2. women know this.
3. women need to take it upon themselves to have responsibility for their own safety and not rely on strangers, random people, or others to protect them
4. since women are equal to men and men are expected to protect themselves women have to do the same or they violate feminism
Definitely going to keep this logic chain in mind if I ever cross some angry feminist screaming "MUH RAEP KULTER!"
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1. we know there are criminals and rapists out there.
2. women know this.
3. women need to take it upon themselves to have responsibility for their own safety and not rely on strangers, random people, or others to protect them
4. since women are equal to men and men are expected to protect themselves women have to do the same or they violate feminism
Definitely going to keep this logic chain in mind if I ever cross some angry feminist screaming "MUH RAEP KULTER!"
It's incredibly easy to argue with feminists. Simply find a position that they're going on about and then think about how it relates to men. In this case it's a simple argument in favor of gender equality. Men are expected to protect themselves. We cannot even open doors for feminists without them spazzing * i can do it myself * . ok. so you can open doors for yourself. that self-determinacy means you can protect yourself against violent assailants too because you don't *need* a man's help. pwnt
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No, I understand simile just fine. You probably actually meant "analogy" though, they're different things.
In any case, I don't think anyone has a right to bait bears with food and expect not to be mauled. I do think everyone has the right to pass out in a person's bedroom without being raped.
A simile is a comparison using like or as. thanks for playing.
1. we know there are criminals and rapists out there.
2. women know this.
3. women need to take it upon themselves to have responsibility for their own safety and not rely on strangers, random people, or others to protect them
4. since women are equal to men and men are expected to protect themselves women have to do the same or they violate feminism
Nice job not responding to my post btw
I can do what I want.
#feminism2014
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It's incredibly easy to argue with feminists. Simply find a position that they're going on about and then think about how it relates to men. In this case it's a simple argument in favor of gender equality. Men are expected to protect themselves. We cannot even open doors for feminists without them spazzing * i can do it myself * . ok. so you can open doors for yourself. that self-determinacy means you can protect yourself against violent assailants too because you don't *need* a man's help. pwnt
Shit, I've been punched for holding a door open before. Three times. Now I save that courtesy for little old ladies and people with their hands full, who will fucking appreciate it.
I'm going to take a bit of a middle ground on this subject. Yes, women absolutely need to do a better job of taking responsibility for not putting themselves in risky situations. And there is an actual problem with rape culture.
Often times when a woman who can barely stand is being dragged around, no one questions it, or if they do, they don't put any effort into finding out if the situation is actually shady or not. That's rape culture. Universities actively discourage reports of rape to protect their reputations, as opposed to finding the perpetrator. That's rape culture. Any time someone makes any excuse equating 'she deserved it because X', that's rape culture. Some guy seem to believe that as long as they aren't actively being fought off, it's ok. That's rape culture. Good god, look at Stubenville, that's super rape culture right there.
Enjoying the scenery, or even making a fair attempt to go camping in it, is not, no matter how much some of the misandrists (I refuse to lump man-haters in with actual feminists) claim it is.
All that said, I'm completely on board with people who say women need to watch themselves. Don't get blackout drunk, don't lose track of your beverage. It can be a dangerous world out there, don't be reckless.
I seriously doubt that there are as many cases of 'got drunk and regret it' as people like to claim. I'm sure it happens from time to time, but it's used as a blanket excuse to ignore the real situation.
The thing I have a hard time understanding is why women are so reluctant to report rapists. I know a few victims that didn't report, and only one had a reasonable excuse for it (she had 5 older brothers, and they would have quite probably killed the guy if they knew who he was, which she felt was too extreme.)
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It's 99% that they got too drunk and regretted it later on. Otherwise why are they so retarded that they put themselves in situations knowing full well what is going to transpire?
There's something to be said about older women and the manners and culture that existed before feminism came around to ruin everything.