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Site Discussion => Help & Suggestions => Topic started by: Rizzo in a box on September 25, 2014, 09:30:10 am
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This is the continuation of the conversation that started in the other thread regarding LSD's PI.
No.
Just to be clear, did you ever post, or give permission for someone else to post, that image on any public forum?
No, people found the information through publicly available records but that doesn't mean he gave them permission or that it still isn't PI.
[sorry, I shouldn't be answering for him]
I disagree, not that I'm looking to debate the point here; ML's actions still need examination regarding Arnox's current rules on PI.
The information on its own isn't PI, but when combined with identifying the mugshot/news story etc with the particular identity of one of our users...I would say that ends up being PI.
The information on its own isn't PI, but when combined with identifying the mugshot/news story etc with the particular identity of one of our users...I would say that ends up being PI.
If data is harvested from publicly available sources then it shouldn't be regarded as personal information, regardless of the quantity of the information. Otherwise we get into a never-ending debate over arbitrary definitions of where the public data/PI limit should lay.
But that is irrelevant to this thread because ML appears to have misused her authority under the current rules. Whether I agree with those rules or not is not important.
No.
Just to be clear, did you ever post, or give permission for someone else to post, that image on any public forum?
No, of course I didn't. Why would I do that with any image of mine, let alone a mugshot?
And I vehemently disagree with you that it's not PI. Like Rizzo said, sure the mugshot may have been gleaned from a public article, but nowhere in that article does it correlate that picture/name/identity to this username. The fact that that picture = LSD is PI. The picture in and of itself could just be a random picture, but nowhere in the public eye is that picture known to be the same person who runs the username LegalizeSpiritualDiscovry.
It's absolutely not okay to do that, to post a picture of mine and tell everyone it's me so every fucking degenerate on this website knows exactly who I look like and can then trace that picture back to the article where it mentions my full name. Would you be okay with that happening to you? Now any piece of shit with the free time and the will (and clearly there are plenty of pieces of shit with plenty of both of those on here) can trace that picture back to my full name and fuck with my actual real life if they decided to. That is not fucking okay, and it's especially not okay for a moderator to acknowledge that they saw it, ban the poster over it (therefore agreeing that it's PI), and then not only leave the picture up for days but STICKY it. That's fucked up, dude. Imagine that happening to you.
The information on its own isn't PI, but when combined with identifying the mugshot/news story etc with the particular identity of one of our users...I would say that ends up being PI.
If data is harvested from publicly available sources then it shouldn't be regarded as personal information, regardless of the quantity of the information.
So, if my phone number is in the yellow pages that gives people the right to link my irl name and phone number with my pseudonymous internet account? I don't think that makes sense, although maybe I'm misunderstanding you.
And Rizzo, can you really blame me for seriously considering "giving up" on this community when I have to deal with this shit over and over again? It's pathetic that anybody would feel the need to do something like this, but apparently there are people that do. I see from a couple of your posts just the past few minutes or whatever in this thread that you understand why it's definitely PI and my concern over it. Your last post before this one is spot-on my point of why that shit's fucked up and is PI.
Nowhere in any article associated with that picture does it relate that picture to my username on here. However, it DOES relate it to my real life full fucking name and former residence. So for somebody to link that picture to my username here, they are therefore linking it to my full name, and that's fucked up and not something I am comfortable with every pedo Nazi degenerate scumbag on here (not saying all of you are those things, obviously; just that there are plenty of those here) knowing.
Do you understand where we're coming from a bit more now, Slave? Can you try to put yourself in my shoes?
[sorry if the formatting is all weird guys]
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Anyway, the point is that we as a community and Arnox as our community leader needs to come up with very clear cut definitions of what constitutes personal information. Personally I think the stricter we are about it, the better. What exactly is the positive to having lax rules on personal information? Do any of us really need to know the personal information of each other? No, and if we do that's something that should be exchanged in private and stay in private. If you want this forum to be about free speech then you need to make sure people do NOT feel intimidated or harassed, otherwise people will be shut down and stopped from expressing their opinions through the use of blackmail and death threats and god knows what else. There is simply no reason for that.
And Rizzo, can you really blame me for seriously considering "giving up" on this community when I have to deal with this shit over and over again? It's pathetic that anybody would feel the need to do something like this, but apparently there are people that do. I see from a couple of your posts just the past few minutes or whatever in this thread that you understand why it's definitely PI and my concern over it. Your last post before this one is spot-on my point of why that shit's fucked up and is PI.
No, I can't really blame you, and to be honest I was kind of lumping you in with a larger group of people like Panthrax and some others that were all gung-ho about the site and the chance for a fresh start until we started to run into some problems that we actually had to address and take care of. All the people that made a big farewell speech just because of the CP attacks that were small in scope and have seem to have ended, it seems so fucking disingenuous to me.
Freedom isn't free after all, we have to fight for it constantly.
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Anyway, the point is that we as a community and Arnox as our community leader needs to come up with very clear cut definitions of what constitutes personal information. Personally I think the stricter we are about it, the better. What exactly is the positive to having lax rules on personal information? Do any of us really need to know the personal information of each other? No, and if we do that's something that should be exchanged in private and stay in private. If you want this forum to be about free speech then you need to make sure people do NOT feel intimidated or harassed, otherwise people will be shut down and stopped from expressing their opinions through the use of blackmail and death threats and god knows what else. There is simply no reason for that.
I agree. PI should be under strict control. It wouldn't affect my forum experience at all.
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So, if my phone number is in the yellow pages that gives people the right to link my irl name and phone number with my pseudonymous internet account? I don't think that makes sense, although maybe I'm misunderstanding you.
How is anyone going to know, from a public directory, that Rizzo in a box is in fact 'Winston Smith of 537a Green Avenue', etc... unless you tell them? Maybe I'm being obtuse but how is anyone going to link SotB with 'Ernst Finkelstein of Golder's Green, London', unless I drop so much information that the connection can be made using public data, and information I've freely surrendered? And if someone says to their friend 'I'm user X on site Y' then I think they have waived their right to anonymity; no one IRL knows I'm SotB and they never will. Maybe they'd never intend the information to go 'public' but then if being anon. is so important why on earth would they tell people who they are?
I take a dim view on staff being forced to clean up peoples' mess because they couldn't keep their mouths shut.
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People share stories about their lives here, and while most of us do the very best we can to make it hard for people to pin point exactly who we are, anyone dedicated enough will be able to find information about you by simply following the gigantic digital trail we leave. Maybe you use the same email here that you used to sign up on facebook and from there they're able to see some of your friends and do this that or the other thing. Just because you don't have the imagination or the experience in social engineering to do it yourself does not mean that there are not methods, tools, and people that are quite capable of digging up dirt with a bare minimum of information.
It only gets worse when you consider that we are a community of people that have known some of each other for up and sometimes over ten years, and over that time we've all shared stories and had laughs and shared details of our lives that were too intimate to ever tell a friend or a family member. That's one of the things that made totse so great to me at least, was all that crazy stories of people living such vastly different, weird lives all over the globe.
Everyone should practice the best opsec they can, but everybody makes mistakes and those mistakes pile up after a while. All it takes is one fucking asshole to do the legwork and suddenly anyone and their grandma can send a swat team to your house and possibly have you killed.
That is NOT an environment that fosters a trusting community where we share knowledge and stories and laughs and tears (and...other bodily fluids), and without that breathing room than we have absolutely nothing and there is no point for us to even try. If we are continually at war with each other as a community then the gig is already up, it's game over man, it's game over!
Personally I don't care how dim of a view you take of the staff actually having to moderate, that is what they are here for and if they are not up for the task then we should either find people that are or just give it up for good. This PI issue is only going to get worse as the years drag on, if we do not work to put an end to it right now.
It is far better for someone on an internet forum to not be able to post for a few days because of something that may or may not have been a PI violation than for someone to have their REAL life ACTUALLY destroyed because of a careless staff that encouraged a cess-pool of malicious e-paparazzi.
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Y'all niggas can't get my PI, guaranteed.
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Y'all niggas can't get my PI, guaranteed.
Famous last words.
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Behold, God I am.
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ELL OH FUCKIN ELL @ the fact its RIZZO of all people now trying to champion the cause of "PI abuse" when he himself has successfully fucked with other people's PI.
I wonder if maybe he isn't worried about LSD, instead he realizes some of his own past sins could be exposed....because when has Rizzo ever gone out of his way to care about his fellow man/other posters on a website?
Seriously Rizzo, where was all of your self-righteous indignation when all of this was going on for literally YEARS at Zoklet. Not days, but years? Just like I said to you in the other thread, when the staffers are your "buddies" you sit back like a mute little bitch and don't give a fuck about the common good. Now because you aren't part of the "in crowd" with the people who have their hands on the buttons......you feign some bullshit altruistic cause with such alarmist urgency.
Flip-flopper INDEED! ;)
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If I post people's name, social security number, and date of birth, is that against the sites rules?
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If I post people's name, social security number, and date of birth, is that against the sites rules?
Make sure you find the school someone plans to attend, that way the OP can dig through their posts and find them discussing hitting a roach a few years back and attempt to sabotage their pursuits of getting a higher education.......all because they disagreed with them on a message board on the internet. :roll:
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Make sure you find the school someone plans to attend, that way the OP can dig through their posts and find them discussing hitting a roach a few years back and attempt to sabotage their pursuits of getting a higher education.......all because they disagreed with them on a message board on the internet. :roll:
The evilness of some people here is sort of disturbing.
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The evilness of some people here is sort of disturbing.
Well said. Along with their blatant flip-flopping hypocrisy too! :(
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I'm not evil. Please don't think that I'm evil.
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I'm not evil. Please don't think that I'm evil.
I am referring to whoever daguru is implying fucked with someone in real life. I have seen users threaten to do some fucking devious, passive aggressive, and just plain evil shit to other users here. I have also seen them do more than threaten. There are some seriously pathetic, petty, evil fucks around here.
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I'm not evil. Please don't think that I'm evil.
I am referring to whoever daguru is implying fucked with someone in real life. I have seen users threaten to do some fucking devious, passive aggressive, and just plain evil shit to other users here. I have also seen them do more than threaten. There are some seriously pathetic, petty, evil fucks around here.
'll one on one bare knuckle every single user on this forum any day any time. That internet crap is bullshit.
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Everythings fucked. What kind of loser saves and goes back thru all of someone's post to find their PI. If you have some sexual desires for someone just PM them instead of being a loser. Seriously stop with the PI. We don't need anymore grown men crying about their PI being posted. Lose/Lose situation
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They call the posting of a member's real name here "personal info minor" and a 72 hour ban. That should tell you something about their true stance on it. If posting a member's real name here isn't a major breech of personal information, then what exactly is a major breech of someone's personal information?
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They call the posting of a member's real name here "personal info minor" and a 72 hour ban. That should tell you something about their true stance on it. If posting a member's real name here isn't a major breech of personal information, then what exactly is a major breech of someone's personal information?
If I have your full real name, I can ruin your whole life. I'm not tech savvy or anything but a full name is enough to destroy one's live over the internet.
I agree, that's not a minor offense. Me calling Mike, Mike, though. That's not an offense.
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I agree, that's not a minor offense. Me calling Mike, Mike, though. That's not an offense.
I feel sorry for anyone who steals my identity....I have shit credit, am self employed, own my own home, not much anyone can do to fuck with me...is there? (I suck at computers so I have no idea what is possible, but I don't have any sensitive info on my pc anyway.)
I have never cared about my PI, I am pretty much an open book...maybe I should start?
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I agree, that's not a minor offense. Me calling Mike, Mike, though. That's not an offense.
I feel sorry for anyone who steals my identity....I have shit credit, am self employed, own my own home, not much anyone can do to fuck with me...is there? (I suck at computers so I have no idea what is possible, but I don't have any sensitive info on my pc anyway.)
I have never cared about my PI, I am pretty much an open book...maybe I should start?
How will you feel when they start calling up your family members and harassing them day and night? How will you feel when they start calling up your family members' places of employment and making false accusations? How will you feel when they start pretending they're you all over the Interbuttz while using your real name or the names of your family members? How will you feel then? Still so apathetic?
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I agree, that's not a minor offense. Me calling Mike, Mike, though. That's not an offense.
I feel sorry for anyone who steals my identity....I have shit credit, am self employed, own my own home, not much anyone can do to fuck with me...is there? (I suck at computers so I have no idea what is possible, but I don't have any sensitive info on my pc anyway.)
I have never cared about my PI, I am pretty much an open book...maybe I should start?
Your daughter might care that her dad does stupid stuff. One joking post from you about anything remotely offensive and the school of your daughtter could plastered with "Mikes daughter's father said... if of this opinion... racist... dangerous psycho".
One picture of your face photoshopped into gay porn/CP and that plastered over your girls school and her social life is immediately over.
You are CrazyMike and don't care but I think CrazyDaughter would care a whole fucking lot.
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I agree, that's not a minor offense. Me calling Mike, Mike, though. That's not an offense.
I feel sorry for anyone who steals my identity....I have shit credit, am self employed, own my own home, not much anyone can do to fuck with me...is there? (I suck at computers so I have no idea what is possible, but I don't have any sensitive info on my pc anyway.)
I have never cared about my PI, I am pretty much an open book...maybe I should start?
How will you feel when they start calling up your family members and harassing them day and night? How will you feel when they start calling up your family members' places of employment and making false accusations? How will you feel when they start pretending they're you all over the Interbuttz while using your real name or the names of your family members? How will you feel then? Still so apathetic?
They would have to get zok-level pi on me to find out any of that shit, and even then there are life circumstances surrounding me and mine that pretty effectively muddy the waters. You may find a picture around of me, or even find my name. Hell, I posted a picture myself. But that is probably as far as one will get.
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Your daughter might care that her dad does stupid stuff. One joking post from you about anything remotely offensive and the school of your daughtter could plastered with "Mikes daughter's father said... if of this opinion... racist... dangerous psycho".
One picture of your face photoshopped into gay porn/CP and that plastered over your girls school and her social life is immediately over.
You are CrazyMike and don't care but I think CrazyDaughter would care a whole fucking lot.
It would be something if I had enemies determined and capable enough to do this. It won't happen.
Hint: my mom was sort of promiscuous, and also heavily into the 'counterculture', so I have had several 'dads' and lessee.....five last names so far in my life...some legal, some just assumed. I even went to public school for a few years under a last name that was just my real name with one letter changed. Plus I have some siblings, who says I am not one of my brothers impersonating one of his brothers?
And that is just one thing, I have other reasons to be relatively secure that it would be a fuck of a lot of time and effort to bother with me.
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A lot people bring up the argument: "Well.. duhh!! If you gave it out you deserve to get your ass burnt off!!" But that is a faulty argument. No system on the Interbuttz is fully protected from exploitation. Even federal computer systems... the most secure systems on the planet... are subject to exploitation. As security flaws are dealt with, fresh new ones arrive just as conveniently. So what you THINK is protected information on the Interbuttz is not really protected. You can set all the privacy and security settings you want, and if an individual is determined and resourceful enough, they WILL get it. For example, if you use Facebook, you are required to use real personal information. So that means that anybody who uses Facebook is open to exploitation. Is it the Facebook user's fault that someone hacked into their profile and grabbed all their personal information? No! Because on the Interbuttz, you're still you! Whether you're IRL or on the Interbuttz, you are still you. It can't be your fault for being you! And so the focus should actually shift toward the exploiter, not the exploited. The exploiter is the actual threat to the integrity of the userbase, not the exploited, and they should definitely be treated as such. To blame the exploited just to protect the exploiter is the height of complete stupidity when it comes to this issue.
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ok I see that it is probably wrong of me to laugh at others PI. I cannot help it. I am an asshole. Shit's funny though. If the PI displayed was like some normal average guy with not much to really make fun of, no one would give a fuck. I blame the degenerate freaks who frequent places like this. Why is it that every PI reveal is so sordid and hilarious?
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Why is it that every PI reveal is so sordid and hilarious?
Because people in general are sordid and hilarious - that's the nature of the beast here on planet Earth. Nothing to see here, folks. There's refreshments and snacks at the back of the room if you'd like any.
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Why is it that every PI reveal is so sordid and hilarious?
Because people in general are sordid and hilarious - that's the nature of the beast here on planet Earth. Nothing to see here, folks. There's refreshments and snacks at the back of the room if you'd like any.
I am neither sordid or hilarious. Well, maybe hilarious....I do consider myself to have a highly refined sense of humor.
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Your daughter might care that her dad does stupid stuff. One joking post from you about anything remotely offensive and the school of your daughtter could plastered with "Mikes daughter's father said... if of this opinion... racist... dangerous psycho".
One picture of your face photoshopped into gay porn/CP and that plastered over your girls school and her social life is immediately over.
You are CrazyMike and don't care but I think CrazyDaughter would care a whole fucking lot.
It would be something if I had enemies determined and capable enough to do this. It won't happen.
Hint: my mom was sort of promiscuous, and also heavily into the 'counterculture', so I have had several 'dads' and lessee.....five last names so far in my life...some legal, some just assumed. I even went to public school for a few years under a last name that was just my real name with one letter changed. Plus I have some siblings, who says I am not one of my brothers impersonating one of his brothers?
And that is just one thing, I have other reasons to be relatively secure that it would be a fuck of a lot of time and effort to bother with me.
"You know, your whole demeanor, attitude and behavior lead me to believe you're, like, the trashiest white trash ever."
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"You know, your whole demeanor, attitude and behavior lead me to believe you're, like, the trashiest white trash ever."
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I sig'lined it because it's true. The only thing tacho ever said that was actually right.
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It would be something if I had enemies determined and capable enough to do this. It won't happen.
Well, the fact Dark Rodent/JediMoped is clinging to your nuts, I'd say at least one half of the equation is true. Because he certainly is determined and outright obsessive about his enemies, the biggest question is how capable he is. I wouldn't say you have to "worry" about the silly little worm, but at the very least you've pissed in the wheaties of one of the most pathetic and immature dipshits you can find on the internet.
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Well, the fact Dark Rodent/JediMoped is clinging to your nuts, I'd say at least one half of the equation is true. Because he certainly is determined and outright obsessive about his enemies, the biggest question is how capable he is. I wouldn't say you have to "worry" about the silly little worm, but at the very least you've pissed in the wheaties of one of the most pathetic and immature dipshits you can find on the internet.
I fully expect hc45 to post a dossier here with my PI and alleged ties to white supremacist groups and chicago gangs. Or that I am a human slaver or some stupid shit.
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No posting any member's PI here.
This includes but is not limited to name, address, picture of them, picture of their family, video of them, video of their family, phone number, where they work, etc.
Just be smart, people. Seriously.
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No posting any member's PI here.
This includes but is not limited to name, address, picture of them, picture of their family, video of them, video of their family, phone number, where they work, etc.
Just be smart, people. Seriously.
What about non-members? What if I post the information of my neighbor? What if someone claims PI which isn't theirs actually is? What about members of previous sites that this community has been on? Does it matter if they posted it themselves, in each of the above cases?
It seems like there's a lot of grey area that people, even when "being smart", could disagree on.
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What about non-members? What if I post the information of my neighbor? What if someone claims PI which isn't theirs actually is? What about members of previous sites that this community has been on? Does it matter if they posted it themselves, in each of the above cases?
It seems like there's a lot of grey area that people, even when "being smart", could disagree on.
You can post information of non-members for now although this may change. All claims of PI are verified before people are banned. Doesn't matter who posted what on what site. If a member didn't post his/her PI here, it's off-limits.
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You can post information of non-members for now although this may change. All claims of PI are verified before people are banned. Doesn't matter who posted what on what site. If a member didn't post his PI here, it's off-limits.
Alright, fair enough. I wish the last one weren't the case but at least the policy is clear. Thanks for giving a straightforward answer.
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Alright, fair enough. I wish the last one weren't the case but at least the policy is clear. Thanks for giving a straightforward answer.
No prob.
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what about when me, hazza and burroughs used easy-e's picture to trick that one chick into trading nudes?
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I shot some PI on your mom's tits.
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what about when me, hazza and burroughs used easy-e's picture to trick that one chick into trading nudes?
Heh. Don't remember that... It's been so long...
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Heh. Don't remember that... It's been so long...
you where in IRC chat with us at the time wtf lol, then you warned us about posting PI after you had a good laugh.
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you where in IRC chat with us at the time wtf lol, then you warned us about posting PI after you had a good laugh.
Oh that... Now I remember. Kind of. Don't know why I warned you actually since easy-e wasn't a member here at that time.
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I shot some PI on your mom's tits.
My mom's dead.
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What about non-members? What if I post the information of my neighbor? What if someone claims PI which isn't theirs actually is? What about members of previous sites that this community has been on? Does it matter if they posted it themselves, in each of the above cases?
It seems like there's a lot of grey area that people, even when "being smart", could disagree on.
You can post information of non-members for now although this may change. All claims of PI are verified before people are banned. Doesn't matter who posted what on what site. If a member didn't post his/her PI here, it's off-limits.
Yeah, you should really make it so its a "no personal information at all" rule. Considering how you let all the PI go in that conspiracy thread, I don't see any reason why according to the site rules or the standards you've enforced that I can't spread the personal information of say, some corrupt police officers. Or some politicians. Or anybody else that could potentially get this site SERIOUSLY FUCKED.
You really need to think this through Arnox.
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I agree with Rizzo. At the very least the precautionary principle should be employed and potential PI should be hidden on sight before verification.
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I shot some PI on your mom's tits.
My mom's dead.
How was the funeral?
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You have to spell it right out for some and hold their hand through it. Only then will they be partially satisfied.
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Dear spectroll, please fuck off and die in a fire. We all hate your guts you old pedophilic shitposting cockgobbler.
yours truely
-- fucking everyone
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I love how Rizzo makes a thread championing against pi spreading when he spread pi himself lol. What's wrong is someone threatening to release yours?