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Society => News of the World => Topic started by: Soso0 on September 23, 2014, 10:08:10 pm
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Look at this G straight thuggin
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President Barack Obama returned a formal military salute with a one-handed coffee-cup salute Tuesday, only a few hours after he dispatched the nation’s military on their attack mission into northern Syria.
White House aides posted the sloppy salute video on Instagram. The commander in chief offered the coffee-cup salute when he disembarked from his U.S. Marine Corps helicopter in New York, as he made his way to the United Nations General Assembly.
“President Obama just landed in New York for #UNGA2014,” says the caption. The salute is “the most important of all military courtesies,” says a manual for Marine Corps officer candidates.
“In some situations, the salute is not appropriate,” says the manual. “In general, do not salute when… carrying articles with both hands or being otherwise so occupied as to make saluting impractical,” says the manual, titled “Customs and Courtesies.”
Some of the comments on the Instagram account were very critical of Obama’s unconventional salutation.
“Saluting with a coffeee cup on his hand what a disgrace… Sure doesnt know the shit u go through just to wear that uniform,” said “Forshoww85.” “
Put the damn coffee down and salute correctly,” said part of a message from “gatorman1361.”
http://dailycaller.com/2014/09/23/obama-uses-coffee-cup-to-salute-marines/
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Whoever it was at that news site that thought this was worth reporting, and anyone who is even slightly offended by this should follow the advice in the above post
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It's just a story which satiates the anally retentive progressives.
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He is the Commander-in Chief of the armed forces. He should have more respect for that role when returning a salute to the men and women in uniform who's lives he holds in his hands.
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I'm not really surprised by this stupid shit from that fucking retarded peanut-head nigger.
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at least he did it he could off just walked passed he is a higher rank after all
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lol america
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at least he did it he could off just walked passed he is a higher rank after all
Incorrect, A lower rank is required to salute a higher rank and hold it until the higher rank returns the salute. The president is a civilian and not required to salute for that reason. However if he is going to choose to salute (as he did) he should not disrespect the act by doing so with a styrofoam cup in his hand like some street person begging change.
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So what it was just a coffee-salute. Coffee = freedom.
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I'm not really surprised by this stupid shit from that fucking retarded peanut-head nigger.
^This^ What a disgrace from America's Commander in Chief. This asshat has done nothing but disrespect this nation and it's citizens since the minute he took office. I wish he had spilled that hot coffee on himself for the cameras to capture. I understand that would be offensive to glorious coffee but in this instance probably appropriate.
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at least he did it he could off just walked passed he is a higher rank after all
one time a wandering marine strolled into obamas temple, he passed obama and he did not salute, bow or even nod
obama then killed all the marines in the tempel single handedly
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When I posted this story yesterday all I got was troll replies :facepalm:
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When I posted this story yesterday all I got was troll replies :facepalm:
Says the user named 'nigger nostrils'
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You people are so anal! The dude just hopped off a fucking helicopter with shit in his hands and was on his way to do some busy president bullshit when he turns around and there's two military guys standing there saluting. Seriously? WHY? I'm here to get shit done, I don't have time for saluting people!! Fuck that! But, Obama just step off a heli with a cup of coffee in his hands and he saluted you, so STFU! Go get some fucking coffee and walk around saluting people and cry some more.
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It's just a story which satiates the anally retentive progressives.
Are you a fucking idiot? OP's source is a conservative outlet, on the sidebar for that very story has reports bashing "progressive activists". Only conservotards give a flying fuck about military tradition bullshit.
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You people are so anal! The dude just hopped off a fucking helicopter with shit in his hands and was on his way to do some busy president bullshit when he turns around and there's two military guys standing there saluting. Seriously? WHY? I'm here to get shit done, I don't have time for saluting people!! Fuck that! But, Obama just step off a heli with a cup of coffee in his hands and he saluted you, so STFU! Go get some fucking coffee and walk around saluting people and cry some more.
Protocol you moron, there are always two U.S. Marines at the exit of Air Force one when the President exits the craft. He knows that, he is the Commander-in-Chief of the most powerful military on the planet. He is also the figure head who represents "we the people" to the rest of the world. This nigger is making the entire nation look like shit. Idiots like you put him in office. So please go suck his dick somewhere that the rest of us don't have to watch.
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You people are so anal! The dude just hopped off a fucking helicopter with shit in his hands and was on his way to do some busy president bullshit when he turns around and there's two military guys standing there saluting. Seriously? WHY? I'm here to get shit done, I don't have time for saluting people!! Fuck that! But, Obama just step off a heli with a cup of coffee in his hands and he saluted you, so STFU! Go get some fucking coffee and walk around saluting people and cry some more.
Protocol you moron, there are always two U.S. Marines at the exit of Air Force one when the President exits the craft. He knows that, he is the Commander-in-Chief of the most powerful military on the planet. He is also the figure head who represents "we the people" to the rest of the world. This nigger is making the entire nation look like shit. Idiots like you put him in office. So please go suck his dick somewhere that the rest of us don't have to watch.
I didn't put him in office. I assure you that I don't consent to my own slavery. I have never voted in my life. When you cast your vote, you agreed that regardless of the outcome, you would allow other men and women to make decisions in your name. So, you really have no right to bitch. I, on the other hand, being a respectable free man who never consented to allow others to represent him, have every right to be angry at you brain dead fuckers who still think that voting isn't rigged or that it makes a difference either way. Bend over for your master.
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You people are so anal! The dude just hopped off a fucking helicopter with shit in his hands and was on his way to do some busy president bullshit when he turns around and there's two military guys standing there saluting. Seriously? WHY? I'm here to get shit done, I don't have time for saluting people!! Fuck that! But, Obama just step off a heli with a cup of coffee in his hands and he saluted you, so STFU! Go get some fucking coffee and walk around saluting people and cry some more.
Protocol you moron, there are always two U.S. Marines at the exit of Air Force one when the President exits the craft. He knows that, he is the Commander-in-Chief of the most powerful military on the planet. He is also the figure head who represents "we the people" to the rest of the world. This nigger is making the entire nation look like shit. Idiots like you put him in office. So please go suck his dick somewhere that the rest of us don't have to watch.
I didn't put him in office. I assure you that I don't consent to my own slavery. I have never voted in my life. When you cast your vote, you agreed that regardless of the outcome, you would allow other men and women to make decisions in your name. So, you really have no right to bitch. I, on the other hand, being a respectable free man who never consented to allow others to represent him, have every right to be angry at you brain dead fuckers who still think that voting isn't rigged or that it makes a difference either way. Bend over for your master.
Evil flourishes when good men do nothing.
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You people are so anal! The dude just hopped off a fucking helicopter with shit in his hands and was on his way to do some busy president bullshit when he turns around and there's two military guys standing there saluting. Seriously? WHY? I'm here to get shit done, I don't have time for saluting people!! Fuck that! But, Obama just step off a heli with a cup of coffee in his hands and he saluted you, so STFU! Go get some fucking coffee and walk around saluting people and cry some more.
Protocol you moron, there are always two U.S. Marines at the exit of Air Force one when the President exits the craft. He knows that, he is the Commander-in-Chief of the most powerful military on the planet. He is also the figure head who represents "we the people" to the rest of the world. This nigger is making the entire nation look like shit. Idiots like you put him in office. So please go suck his dick somewhere that the rest of us don't have to watch.
I didn't put him in office. I assure you that I don't consent to my own slavery. I have never voted in my life. When you cast your vote, you agreed that regardless of the outcome, you would allow other men and women to make decisions in your name. So, you really have no right to bitch. I, on the other hand, being a respectable free man who never consented to allow others to represent him, have every right to be angry at you brain dead fuckers who still think that voting isn't rigged or that it makes a difference either way. Bend over for your master.
Evil flourishes when good men do nothing.
Maybe, I'm actually out there fighting Evil while you waste your time with your political circle jerk?
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It's just a story which satiates the anally retentive progressives.
Only conservotards give a flying fuck about military tradition bullshit.
...Or dare I say... Prior/current service members? Or even the family members of current/former military. The salute was not only a way to follow military protocol and show respect, it was also a way of showing that the subordinate did not have a weapon in his hand. Think about it, that's why one typically salutes right handed as opposed to left. Instead of a sloppy salute, he could have muttered "at ease soldiers" and have been 10x more respectful.
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I didn't put him in office. I assure you that I don't consent to my own slavery. I have never voted in my life. When you cast your vote, you agreed that regardless of the outcome, you would allow other men and women to make decisions in your name. So, you really have no right to bitch. I, on the other hand, being a respectable free man who never consented to allow others to represent him, have every right to be angry at you brain dead fuckers who still think that voting isn't rigged or that it makes a difference either way. Bend over for your master.
You know, the ninja schtick is kinda gay, and I may not agree with every little thing you type, but I like your outlook on things. You are smart too. Keep doing what you are doing.
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I didn't put him in office. I assure you that I don't consent to my own slavery. I have never voted in my life. When you cast your vote, you agreed that regardless of the outcome, you would allow other men and women to make decisions in your name. So, you really have no right to bitch. I, on the other hand, being a respectable free man who never consented to allow others to represent him, have every right to be angry at you brain dead fuckers who still think that voting isn't rigged or that it makes a difference either way. Bend over for your master.
You know, the ninja schtick is kinda gay, and I may not agree with every little thing you type, but I like your outlook on things. You are smart too. Keep doing what you are doing.
Ninja is a mindset, not a schtick. And, thank you good sir. I know no other way!
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You people are so anal! The dude just hopped off a fucking helicopter with shit in his hands and was on his way to do some busy president bullshit when he turns around and there's two military guys standing there saluting. Seriously? WHY? I'm here to get shit done, I don't have time for saluting people!! Fuck that! But, Obama just step off a heli with a cup of coffee in his hands and he saluted you, so STFU! Go get some fucking coffee and walk around saluting people and cry some more.
I didn't see what the big deal was and was more entertained by the reactions of these militaryfags. I'm starting to like Obama as a person. He does whatever the fuck he wants. It's probably cause he knows there's no hope.
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You people are so anal! The dude just hopped off a fucking helicopter with shit in his hands and was on his way to do some busy president bullshit when he turns around and there's two military guys standing there saluting. Seriously? WHY? I'm here to get shit done, I don't have time for saluting people!! Fuck that! But, Obama just step off a heli with a cup of coffee in his hands and he saluted you, so STFU! Go get some fucking coffee and walk around saluting people and cry some more.
I didn't see what the big deal was and was more entertained by the reactions of these militaryfags. I'm starting to like Obama as a person. He does whatever the fuck he wants. It's probably cause he knows there's no hope.
Yeah, me too. I always hated Obama, but then I realized that he's just another clueless fuck like the rest of them.
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He is the Commander-in Chief of the armed forces. He should have more respect for that role when returning a salute to the men and women in uniform who's lives he holds in his hands.
The styrofoam cup serves as a visual metaphor for the values which he bestows upon the lives of those soldiers, i.e. cheap, momentarily useful but ultimately disposable. That's why he sees no problem in saluting them with it; they are of equal value. It's one of those rare occasions when a politician inadvertently tells the truth, that joining the infantry has always been tantamount to throwing yourself into a meat grinder. People are upset by this not because they not know what the reality of the situation is, but because being starkly reminded of it makes them deeply uncomfortable.
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You people are so anal! The dude just hopped off a fucking helicopter with shit in his hands and was on his way to do some busy president bullshit when he turns around and there's two military guys standing there saluting. Seriously? WHY? I'm here to get shit done, I don't have time for saluting people!! Fuck that! But, Obama just step off a heli with a cup of coffee in his hands and he saluted you, so STFU! Go get some fucking coffee and walk around saluting people and cry some more.
Protocol you moron, there are always two U.S. Marines at the exit of Air Force one when the President exits the craft. He knows that, he is the Commander-in-Chief of the most powerful military on the planet. He is also the figure head who represents "we the people" to the rest of the world. This nigger is making the entire nation look like shit. Idiots like you put him in office. So please go suck his dick somewhere that the rest of us don't have to watch.
I didn't put him in office. I assure you that I don't consent to my own slavery. I have never voted in my life. When you cast your vote, you agreed that regardless of the outcome, you would allow other men and women to make decisions in your name. So, you really have no right to bitch. I, on the other hand, being a respectable free man who never consented to allow others to represent him, have every right to be angry at you brain dead fuckers who still think that voting isn't rigged or that it makes a difference either way. Bend over for your master.
Evil flourishes when good men do nothing.
Maybe, I'm actually out there fighting Evil while you waste your time with your political circle jerk?
Or maybe your just sitting in your parents basement fapping to images of Schpew.
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He is the Commander-in Chief of the armed forces. He should have more respect for that role when returning a salute to the men and women in uniform who's lives he holds in his hands.
The styrofoam cup serves as a visual metaphor for the values which he bestows upon the lives of those soldiers, i.e. cheap, momentarily useful but ultimately disposable. That's why he sees no problem in saluting them with it; they are of equal value. It's one of those rare occasions when a politician inadvertently tells the truth, that joining the infantry has always been tantamount to throwing yourself into a meat grinder. People are upset by this not because they not know what the reality of the situation is, but because being starkly reminded of it makes them deeply uncomfortable.
The cup might be more valuable. He probably had some lean in it
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He is the Commander-in Chief of the armed forces. He should have more respect for that role when returning a salute to the men and women in uniform who's lives he holds in his hands.
The styrofoam cup serves as a visual metaphor for the values which he bestows upon the lives of those soldiers, i.e. cheap, momentarily useful but ultimately disposable. That's why he sees no problem in saluting them with it; they are of equal value. It's one of those rare occasions when a politician inadvertently tells the truth, that joining the infantry has always been tantamount to throwing yourself into a meat grinder. People are upset by this not because they not know what the reality of the situation is, but because being starkly reminded of it makes them deeply uncomfortable.
Well good. They need to be made deeply uncomfortable. We should all be deeply uncomfortable.
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You people are so anal! The dude just hopped off a fucking helicopter with shit in his hands and was on his way to do some busy president bullshit when he turns around and there's two military guys standing there saluting. Seriously? WHY? I'm here to get shit done, I don't have time for saluting people!! Fuck that! But, Obama just step off a heli with a cup of coffee in his hands and he saluted you, so STFU! Go get some fucking coffee and walk around saluting people and cry some more.
Protocol you moron, there are always two U.S. Marines at the exit of Air Force one when the President exits the craft. He knows that, he is the Commander-in-Chief of the most powerful military on the planet. He is also the figure head who represents "we the people" to the rest of the world. This nigger is making the entire nation look like shit. Idiots like you put him in office. So please go suck his dick somewhere that the rest of us don't have to watch.
I didn't put him in office. I assure you that I don't consent to my own slavery. I have never voted in my life. When you cast your vote, you agreed that regardless of the outcome, you would allow other men and women to make decisions in your name. So, you really have no right to bitch. I, on the other hand, being a respectable free man who never consented to allow others to represent him, have every right to be angry at you brain dead fuckers who still think that voting isn't rigged or that it makes a difference either way. Bend over for your master.
Evil flourishes when good men do nothing.
Maybe, I'm actually out there fighting Evil while you waste your time with your political circle jerk?
Or maybe your just sitting in your parents basement fapping to images of Schpew.
WTF man! We're you looking in my window? You fucking creeper perv! How the hell did you know that's what I was doing? Fuck man, that's fucked up!
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The styrofoam cup serves as a visual metaphor for the values which he bestows upon the lives of those soldiers, i.e. cheap, momentarily useful but ultimately disposable. That's why he sees no problem in saluting them with it; they are of equal value. It's one of those rare occasions when a politician inadvertently tells the truth, that joining the infantry has always been tantamount to throwing yourself into a meat grinder. People are upset by this not because they not know what the reality of the situation is, but because being starkly reminded of it makes them deeply uncomfortable.
Or, you know, he could have just had some coffee in his hand and needed to salute. Waving to someone with a glove on doesn't mean you think they're a piece of clothing.
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Or, you know, he could have just had some coffee in his hand and needed to salute. Waving to someone with a glove on doesn't mean you think they're a piece of clothing.
The President of the United States of America doesn't need to salute anyone. He could simply have nodded and said thank you.
As for gloves, do Americans wear styrofoam cups on their hands?
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Next time I hope he comes off the heli and just hammerfists those soldiers for making him look bad!
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Or, you know, he could have just had some coffee in his hand and needed to salute. Waving to someone with a glove on doesn't mean you think they're a piece of clothing.
The President of the United States of America doesn't need to salute anyone. He could simply have nodded and said thank you.
As for gloves, do Americans wear styrofoam cups on their hands?
WTF do you know about America you fake British Canadian faggart?
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WTF do you know about America you fake British Canadian faggart?
Its true. Although the US president is commander in chief of the armed forces, he is still considered a civilian, and therefore he doesn't have to salute if he doesn't feel like it.
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Oh for fucks sake cut it out out with all this bogus "outrage". None of you actually care about this issue, it's just another cheap snipe you can make at the President and think you're being "principled" and "serious" when you're anything but.
"BUT HE SHOULD'VE JUST NOT SALUTED!!1!"
Yeah, and then you would be going on about "OMG HOW DISRESPECTFUL HE DIDN'T SALUTE!"
Just shut the fuck up you juvenile morons.
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:facepalm:
Oh for fucks sake cut it out out with all this bogus "outrage". None of you actually care about this issue, it's just another cheap snipe you can make at the President and think you're being "principled" and "serious" when you're anything but.
"BUT HE SHOULD'VE JUST NOT SALUTED!!1!"
Yeah, and then you would be going on about "OMG HOW DISRESPECTFUL HE DIDN'T SALUTE!"
Just shut the fuck up you juvenile morons.
Hey Cory, Obama is a fucking gay nigger. Are you gonna cry about it or something?
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I don't particularly care, but I think the more respectful thing would be to put down the coffee and salute the troops beneath him. This just seems like the sort of thing conservatives will repeat over and over, just like how he goes golfing sometimes and has a half brother living the third world life in Kenya.
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WTF do you know about America you fake British Canadian faggart?
Its true. Although the US president is commander in chief of the armed forces, he is still considered a civilian, and therefore he doesn't have to salute if he doesn't feel like it.
tradition and respect, the nigger has neither
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tradition and respect, the nigger has neither
yeh he is a fucking commie and had his education bankrolled by the house of saud.
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yeh he is a fucking commie and had his education bankrolled by the house of saud.
Goddamnit cory are you not going to bite? I bet that faggot has me on ignore.
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yeh he is a fucking commie and had his education bankrolled by the house of saud.
Goddamnit cory are you not going to bite? I bet that faggot has me on ignore.
your fail insult constitutes a self-pwn. no response necessary.
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your fail insult constitutes a self-pwn. no response necessary.
Wot are ewe goin on about, mate? Can someone buy me a Fosters? It's australian for bee-ah.
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your fail insult constitutes a self-pwn. no response necessary.
Wot are ewe goin on about, mate? Can someone buy me a Fosters? It's australian for bee-ah.
see previous response.
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your fail insult constitutes a self-pwn. no response necessary.
Crikey, STFU you roo fucking shackle draggin' hoon. Ya have a face like a dropped pie ya skippy poofter
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See above.
your fail insult constitutes a self-pwn. no response necessary.
Crikey, STFU you roo fucking shackle draggin' hoon. Ya have a face like a dropped pie ya skippy poofter
Also see above.
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didn't read any of thread just wanted to say that who gives a fuck
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See above.your fail insult constitutes a self-pwn. no response necessary.
Crikey, STFU you roo fucking shackle draggin' hoon. Ya have a face like a dropped pie ya skippy poofter
Also see above.
Can't think of anything as usual I see. It' sooo good to hear it!
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He probably salutes them everyday, they probably had a giggle with him afterwards. Fucking plebs always getting offended
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Or, you know, he could have just had some coffee in his hand and needed to salute. Waving to someone with a glove on doesn't mean you think they're a piece of clothing.
The President of the United States of America doesn't need to salute anyone. He could simply have nodded and said thank you.
As for gloves, do Americans wear styrofoam cups on their hands?
WTF do you know about America you fake British Canadian faggart?
More than you do it seems.
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Oh for fucks sake cut it out out with all this bogus "outrage". None of you actually care about this issue, it's just another cheap snipe you can make at the President and think you're being "principled" and "serious" when you're anything but.
"BUT HE SHOULD'VE JUST NOT SALUTED!!1!"
Yeah, and then you would be going on about "OMG HOW DISRESPECTFUL HE DIDN'T SALUTE!"
Just shut the fuck up you juvenile morons.
I think we've already covered that acknowledging their presence doesn't require a formal salute.
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Or, you know, he could have just had some coffee in his hand and needed to salute. Waving to someone with a glove on doesn't mean you think they're a piece of clothing.
The President of the United States of America doesn't need to salute anyone. He could simply have nodded and said thank you.
As for gloves, do Americans wear styrofoam cups on their hands?
WTF do you know about America you fake British Canadian faggart?
More than you do it seems.
:facepalm:
Oh for fucks sake cut it out out with all this bogus "outrage". None of you actually care about this issue, it's just another cheap snipe you can make at the President and think you're being "principled" and "serious" when you're anything but.
"BUT HE SHOULD'VE JUST NOT SALUTED!!1!"
Yeah, and then you would be going on about "OMG HOW DISRESPECTFUL HE DIDN'T SALUTE!"
Just shut the fuck up you juvenile morons.
I think we've already covered that acknowledging their presence doesn't require a formal salute.
What is at issue here is not whether or not a return of the salute that the any military member is required to give to the Commander-in-Chief is required by the Commander-in-Chief. What is at issue here is that should the Commander-in-Chief choose to return the salute he should do so properly and not with a throw away cup in his right hand as he returns the salute. He knew he was exiting the craft. He knew their would be U.S. Marine honor guards at the exit of the craft. From a veterans point of view he should have either not saluted at all or held the cup in his left hand as he exited the craft to return a proper salute. If you are not an American your opinion is meaningless on this issue. If you are not active duty or a veteran you opinion is next to meaningless on this issue. This is a matter of respect and honor for tradition and the sacrifices the men and women who are serving and have served to weigh in on. Anyone else who flaps their gums about this issue is simply wasting oxygen.
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Only the anally retentive, war mongering progressives would care.
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What is at issue here is not whether or not a return of the salute that the any military member is required to give to the Commander-in-Chief is required by the Commander-in-Chief. What is at issue here is that should the Commander-in-Chief choose to return the salute he should do so properly and not with a throw away cup in his right hand as he returns the salute. He knew he was exiting the craft. He knew their would be U.S. Marine honor guards at the exit of the craft. From a veterans point of view he should have either not saluted at all or held the cup in his left hand as he exited the craft to return a proper salute. If you are not an American your opinion is meaningless on this issue. If you are not active duty or a veteran you opinion is next to meaningless on this issue. This is a matter of respect and honor for tradition and the sacrifices the men and women who are serving and have served to weigh in on. Anyone else who flaps their gums about this issue is simply wasting oxygen.
The faux outrage continues.
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What is at issue here is not whether or not a return of the salute that the any military member is required to give to the Commander-in-Chief is required by the Commander-in-Chief. What is at issue here is that should the Commander-in-Chief choose to return the salute he should do so properly and not with a throw away cup in his right hand as he returns the salute. He knew he was exiting the craft. He knew their would be U.S. Marine honor guards at the exit of the craft. From a veterans point of view he should have either not saluted at all or held the cup in his left hand as he exited the craft to return a proper salute. If you are not an American your opinion is meaningless on this issue. If you are not active duty or a veteran you opinion is next to meaningless on this issue. This is a matter of respect and honor for tradition and the sacrifices the men and women who are serving and have served to weigh in on. Anyone else who flaps their gums about this issue is simply wasting oxygen.
The faux outrage continues.
You pretending that you know the motivation for the points of view that I and others have expressed in this thread just drives home the point that you were never good mod material. If you have a differing point of view why not present it in the intelligent fashion I have seen you do in the past rather than simply pretend that others of playing make believe like you are?
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Only the anally retentive, war mongering progressives would care.
You still don't know what that word means do you dumbfuck?
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What is at issue here is not whether or not a return of the salute that the any military member is required to give to the Commander-in-Chief is required by the Commander-in-Chief. What is at issue here is that should the Commander-in-Chief choose to return the salute he should do so properly and not with a throw away cup in his right hand as he returns the salute. He knew he was exiting the craft. He knew their would be U.S. Marine honor guards at the exit of the craft. From a veterans point of view he should have either not saluted at all or held the cup in his left hand as he exited the craft to return a proper salute. If you are not an American your opinion is meaningless on this issue. If you are not active duty or a veteran you opinion is next to meaningless on this issue. This is a matter of respect and honor for tradition and the sacrifices the men and women who are serving and have served to weigh in on. Anyone else who flaps their gums about this issue is simply wasting oxygen.
This may come as a shock to your pompous ass but the concepts of military honor and tradition predate the USA by several thousand years. And I've already pointed out what I think Obama should have done, which you essentially repeat in one of your own suggestions.
Increase your fucking med's old man and you might be able to keep up with the conversation.
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War mongering progressives?
Honestly I didn't know there was such a group.
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War mongering progressives?
Honestly I didn't know there was such a group.
Yeah, they're the nationalistic faggits proudly waving their dumb flags and wooing all the military equipment and protocols. Brainless sheeple who couldn't think for themselves if their lives depended on it, which it does.
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I thought progressives were generally the ones trying to get rid of guns.
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War mongering progressives?
Honestly I didn't know there was such a group.
Yeah, they're the nationalistic faggits proudly waving their dumb flags and wooing all the military equipment and protocols. Brainless sheeple who couldn't think for themselves if their lives depended on it, which it does.
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by
Michael Schwalbe
In the propaganda wars that surround elections, political labels often become detached from reality. The leading contender for the Democratic presidential nomination, Barack Obama, has been called a "leftist" by Republican flacks and a "progressive" by some of his supporters. Others see Obama as a moderate Democrat only slightly less friendly to corporate capital and to the military-industrial complex than the Republican John McCain. It would be no surprise, then, if many people were wondering, Just who is a progressive?
No one, of course, has the authority to decide who is a progressive and who isn't. Yet if the label "progressive" has meaning at all, it is only because of some shared criteria we have in mind when we use it. So it might be worthwhile to put these criteria on the table, not to draw boundaries and hand out membership badges, but to spark a conversation about the common ground of ideas and values on which progressives stand, and to underscore the point that the center is not the left.
So who is a progressive?
You might be one if ...You think health care is a basic human right, and that single-payer national health insurance is a worthwhile reform on our way toward creating a non-profit national health care service.
You think that human rights ought always to trump property rights.
You think U.S. military spending is an obscene waste of resources, and that the only freedom this spending protects is the freedom of economic elites to exploit working people all around the planet.
You think U.S. troops should be brought home not only from Afghanistan and Iraq, but from all 130 countries in which the U.S. has military bases.
You think political leaders who engage in "preemptive war" and invasions should be brought to trial for crimes against humanity and judged against the standards of international law established at Nuremberg after World War Two.
You think public education should be free, not just from kindergarten through high school, but as far as a person is willing and able to go.
You think that electoral reform should include instant run-off voting, publicly-financed elections, easy ballot access for all parties, and proportional representation.
You think that electoral democracy is not enough, and that democracy must also be participatory and extend to workplaces.
You think that strengthening the rights of all workers to unionize and bargain collectively is a useful step toward full economic democracy.
You think that as a society we have a collective obligation to provide everyone who is willing and able to work with a job that pays a living wage and offers dignity.
You think that a class system which forces some people to do dirty, dangerous, boring work all the time, while others get to do clean, safe, interesting work all the time, can never deliver social justice.
You think that regulating big corporations isn't enough, and that such corporations, if they are allowed to exist at all, must either serve the common good or be put into public receivership.
You think that the legal doctrine granting corporations the same constitutional rights as natural persons is absurd and must be overturned.
You think it's wrong to allow individuals to accumulate wealth without limits, and that the highest incomes should be capped well before they begin to threaten community and democracy.
You think that wealth, not just income, should be taxed.
You think it's crazy to use the Old Testament as a policy guide for the 21st century.
You believe in celebrating diversity, while also recognizing that having women and people of color proportionately represented among the class of oppressors is not the goal we should be aiming for.
You think that the state has no right to kill, and that putting people to death to show that killing is wrong will always be a self-defeating policy.
You think that anyone who desires the reins of power that come with high political office should, by reason of that desire, be seen as unfit for the job.
You think that instead of more leaders, we need fewer followers.
You think that national borders, while sometimes establishing territories of safety, more often establish territories of exploitation, much like gang turf.
You are open to considering how the privileges you enjoy because of race, class, gender, sexual orientation, and/or physical ability might come at the expense of others.
You believe that voting every few years is a weak form of political participation, and that achieving social justice requires concerted effort before, during, and after elections.
You think that, ideally, no one would have more wealth more than they need until everyone has at least as much as they need to live a safe, happy, decent life.
You recognize that an economic system which requires continuous expansion, destroys the environment, relies on rapidly-depleting fossil fuels, exacerbates inequality, and leads to war after war is unsustainable and must be replaced. Score a bonus point if you understand that sticking to the existing system is what's unrealistic.
No doubt some readers will say this list is incomplete. It is. Many policy issues of importance to progressives go unmentioned. Others might say that the list leans too far to the left, or not far enough. It could also be said that some items are vague (what does it mean to say that human rights ought always to trump property rights?). These are all useful responses. If we hope to work together to transform the social world, we need to know what we agree on, what we don't agree on, and what needs further hashing-out.
In the end, however, it's not labels and identities and criteria for bestowing them that really matter. Political terms have consequences, but only because of how we use them. Which suggests another item for the list. You might be a progressive if you think that it's important to take seriously the meaning of political identities, but that what really matters is living out those identities in ways that help to create more peace, justice, and equality.
:oface:
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Why, that's nothing but old fashioned pinko communism, boy!
/sarcasm
Are you sure you're not thinking of a conservatives, spectral?
Not that political labels really mean anything but people I've met who match that description almost always identify as conservative.
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I thought progressives were generally the ones trying to get rid of guns.
"Progressives" are the politically correct faggits.
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War mongering progressives?
Honestly I didn't know there was such a group.
Yeah, they're the nationalistic faggits proudly waving their dumb flags and wooing all the military equipment and protocols. Brainless sheeple who couldn't think for themselves if their lives depended on it, which it does.
(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o88/herplove/URINE_zpsfed68506.jpg)
You Might Be a Progressive If ...
by
Michael Schwalbe
In the propaganda wars that surround elections, political labels often become detached from reality. The leading contender for the Democratic presidential nomination, Barack Obama, has been called a "leftist" by Republican flacks and a "progressive" by some of his supporters. Others see Obama as a moderate Democrat only slightly less friendly to corporate capital and to the military-industrial complex than the Republican John McCain. It would be no surprise, then, if many people were wondering, Just who is a progressive?
No one, of course, has the authority to decide who is a progressive and who isn't. Yet if the label "progressive" has meaning at all, it is only because of some shared criteria we have in mind when we use it. So it might be worthwhile to put these criteria on the table, not to draw boundaries and hand out membership badges, but to spark a conversation about the common ground of ideas and values on which progressives stand, and to underscore the point that the center is not the left.
So who is a progressive?
You might be one if ...You think health care is a basic human right, and that single-payer national health insurance is a worthwhile reform on our way toward creating a non-profit national health care service.
You think that human rights ought always to trump property rights.
You think U.S. military spending is an obscene waste of resources, and that the only freedom this spending protects is the freedom of economic elites to exploit working people all around the planet.
You think U.S. troops should be brought home not only from Afghanistan and Iraq, but from all 130 countries in which the U.S. has military bases.
You think political leaders who engage in "preemptive war" and invasions should be brought to trial for crimes against humanity and judged against the standards of international law established at Nuremberg after World War Two.
You think public education should be free, not just from kindergarten through high school, but as far as a person is willing and able to go.
You think that electoral reform should include instant run-off voting, publicly-financed elections, easy ballot access for all parties, and proportional representation.
You think that electoral democracy is not enough, and that democracy must also be participatory and extend to workplaces.
You think that strengthening the rights of all workers to unionize and bargain collectively is a useful step toward full economic democracy.
You think that as a society we have a collective obligation to provide everyone who is willing and able to work with a job that pays a living wage and offers dignity.
You think that a class system which forces some people to do dirty, dangerous, boring work all the time, while others get to do clean, safe, interesting work all the time, can never deliver social justice.
You think that regulating big corporations isn't enough, and that such corporations, if they are allowed to exist at all, must either serve the common good or be put into public receivership.
You think that the legal doctrine granting corporations the same constitutional rights as natural persons is absurd and must be overturned.
You think it's wrong to allow individuals to accumulate wealth without limits, and that the highest incomes should be capped well before they begin to threaten community and democracy.
You think that wealth, not just income, should be taxed.
You think it's crazy to use the Old Testament as a policy guide for the 21st century.
You believe in celebrating diversity, while also recognizing that having women and people of color proportionately represented among the class of oppressors is not the goal we should be aiming for.
You think that the state has no right to kill, and that putting people to death to show that killing is wrong will always be a self-defeating policy.
You think that anyone who desires the reins of power that come with high political office should, by reason of that desire, be seen as unfit for the job.
You think that instead of more leaders, we need fewer followers.
You think that national borders, while sometimes establishing territories of safety, more often establish territories of exploitation, much like gang turf.
You are open to considering how the privileges you enjoy because of race, class, gender, sexual orientation, and/or physical ability might come at the expense of others.
You believe that voting every few years is a weak form of political participation, and that achieving social justice requires concerted effort before, during, and after elections.
You think that, ideally, no one would have more wealth more than they need until everyone has at least as much as they need to live a safe, happy, decent life.
You recognize that an economic system which requires continuous expansion, destroys the environment, relies on rapidly-depleting fossil fuels, exacerbates inequality, and leads to war after war is unsustainable and must be replaced. Score a bonus point if you understand that sticking to the existing system is what's unrealistic.
No doubt some readers will say this list is incomplete. It is. Many policy issues of importance to progressives go unmentioned. Others might say that the list leans too far to the left, or not far enough. It could also be said that some items are vague (what does it mean to say that human rights ought always to trump property rights?). These are all useful responses. If we hope to work together to transform the social world, we need to know what we agree on, what we don't agree on, and what needs further hashing-out.
In the end, however, it's not labels and identities and criteria for bestowing them that really matter. Political terms have consequences, but only because of how we use them. Which suggests another item for the list. You might be a progressive if you think that it's important to take seriously the meaning of political identities, but that what really matters is living out those identities in ways that help to create more peace, justice, and equality.
:oface:
I thought progressives were generally the ones trying to get rid of guns.
"Progressives" are the politically correct faggits.
Did everyone but SpectraL notice how SpectraL doesn't know what a progressive is and refuses to be taught.
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At least they got rid of the nigger running the justice dept
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War mongering progressives?
Honestly I didn't know there was such a group.
Someone can be left-wing and still have an aggressive foreign policy. Lyndon Johnson and FDR are two examples. The anti-war Left didn't really become a big deal until the 1960's. The irony is that before that the right was typically "isolationist" and anti-war while the left were the interventionists.
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that shit was funny as fuck -- 'nah'm sayin' ?
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This is funny because
a. Nothing gets a plebian dick harder than a uniform and the ritual that goes with it.
b. Because the leader of the plebs doesn't give a fuck about the traditions they cherish.
He's neither in the right nor in the wrong. It mostly just exposes hypocrisy and stupidity on both sides. Though in my opinion he should at least pay lip service to the men he uses as cannon fodder.
This wouldn't have happened if Netanyahu was our president.
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War mongering progressives?
Honestly I didn't know there was such a group.
Someone can be left-wing and still have an aggressive foreign policy. Lyndon Johnson and FDR are two examples. The anti-war Left didn't really become a big deal until the 1960's. The irony is that before that the right was typically "isolationist" and anti-war while the left were the interventionists.
Thanks for the history lesson. Do you have anything that is relevant to now?
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This is funny because
a. Nothing gets a plebian dick harder than a uniform and the ritual that goes with it.
b. Because the leader of the plebs doesn't give a fuck about the traditions they cherish.
He's neither in the right nor in the wrong. It mostly just exposes hypocrisy and stupidity on both sides. Though in my opinion he should at least pay lip service to the men he uses as cannon fodder.
This wouldn't have happened if Netanyahu was our president.
The important part is that you feel superior to everyone.
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This is funny because
a. Nothing gets a plebian dick harder than a uniform and the ritual that goes with it.
b. Because the leader of the plebs doesn't give a fuck about the traditions they cherish.
He's neither in the right nor in the wrong. It mostly just exposes hypocrisy and stupidity on both sides. Though in my opinion he should at least pay lip service to the men he uses as cannon fodder.
This wouldn't have happened if Netanyahu was our president.
The important part is that you feel superior to everyone.
No what is important is that I am.
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right m8
I WANTED TO TELL YOU THAT IM MAKING THE OK SIGN BY TOUCHING MY INDEX FINGER TO MY THUMB FORMING THE O SHAPE BUT I DONT KNOW THE MOST CONCISE WAY TO CONVEY THAT SO NOW IM TELLING YOU THATS METAPHORICALLY WHAT ID BE DOING IF WE WERE TALKING IN PERSON.
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Thanks for the history lesson. Do you have anything that is relevant to now?
Someone asked if there could be such a thing as a "war mongering" Progressive. I answered the question in the affirmative. I don't see the issue.
But to point to something more modern, I think we might be seeing those old trends re-emerge. With the GOP trending over time to a more Libertarian stance on foreign policy (the influence of the neo-cons persists, but is waning) as the Democrats under Obama/Biden and Hillary are becoming more and more the interventionist party.
If the 2016 election is Rand Paul versus Hillary Clinton this development will crystallize and become more apparent.
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Thanks for the history lesson. Do you have anything that is relevant to now?
Someone asked if there could be such a thing as a "war mongering" Progressive. I answered the question in the affirmative. I don't see the issue.
But to point to something more modern, I think we might be seeing those old trends re-emerge. With the GOP trending over time to a more Libertarian stance on foreign policy (the influence of the neo-cons persists, but is waning) as the Democrats under Obama/Biden and Hillary are becoming more and more the interventionist party.
If the 2016 election is Rand Paul versus Hillary Clinton this development will crystallize and become more apparent.
The only reason the GOP is taking that stance on foreign policy is because they know they've alienated everyone who supported them for any reason besides "Obama is a Muslim" and they're trying to get their voters back
And speaking of things that are about to crystallize, I gotta go...
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You got two types of people. Those that love government and those who don't. Those who love government just bitch and moan about how they think the government should be run properly. Not, that it matters, because the government is fucking corrupt and it's all scripted BS. But, they can't admit this to themselves, so they just argue with each other to somehow make it seem like it all has meaning and their team can win! Mindless, Statist ball lickers.
I don't give a fuck if Obama salutes some military fags, because they're all enslaving me. FUCK THEM ALL!
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You got two types of people. Those that love government and those who don't. Those who love government just bitch and moan about how they think the government should be run properly. Not, that it matters, because the government is fucking corrupt and it's all scripted BS. But, they can't admit this to themselves, so they just argue with each other to somehow make it seem like it all has meaning and their team can win! Mindless, Statist ball lickers.
I don't give a fuck if Obama salutes some military fags, because they're all enslaving me. FUCK THEM ALL!
If only reality was so simple. Whatever it takes to keep you going I guess.
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You got two types of people. Those that love government and those who don't. Those who love government just bitch and moan about how they think the government should be run properly. Not, that it matters, because the government is fucking corrupt and it's all scripted BS. But, they can't admit this to themselves, so they just argue with each other to somehow make it seem like it all has meaning and their team can win! Mindless, Statist ball lickers.
I don't give a fuck if Obama salutes some military fags, because they're all enslaving me. FUCK THEM ALL!
If only reality was so simple. Whatever it takes to keep you going I guess.
Reality IS that simple.
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You got two types of people. Those that love government and those who don't. Those who love government just bitch and moan about how they think the government should be run properly. Not, that it matters, because the government is fucking corrupt and it's all scripted BS. But, they can't admit this to themselves, so they just argue with each other to somehow make it seem like it all has meaning and their team can win! Mindless, Statist ball lickers.
I don't give a fuck if Obama salutes some military fags, because they're all enslaving me. FUCK THEM ALL!
If only reality was so simple. Whatever it takes to keep you going I guess.
Reality IS that simple.
Yeah.... no.
If anything statements like the one Ninja made are a method of simplifying a very complex and nuanced world into an easy black/white dichotomy to make it easier to understand. Well, it's a combination of that and just raw angst.