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Society => Oh the Humanities! => Topic started by: Bigggmann on September 11, 2014, 01:47:57 am
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Hey everyone, Just curious what people think about foreign campaign on ISIS.
There seems to be A LOT of mixed views on everything that's going on.
I'd appreciate it if someone could sum up the situation for me, as I probably have some info wrong due to the MANY sources with different stories.
In all honesty, I have no clue why we are continuing our air strikes. They really don't pose us any threat, the only reason they abducted and beheaded our citizens was IMO cuz we were interfering with business we don't belong in. I think the other nations are being smart to stay out of the situation.
In my opinion, why wouldn't ISIS take American hostages, we bash them with airstrikes and sell cheap arms to Iraq's military In the billions. If we minded our own business, our citizens would still be alive.
I've heard some sources say America depends on Iraq and syria for oil, but after a quick multi source google search I've read that Saudi Arabia remains the top supplier, followed by Canada and other closer nations.
So why are we fighting ISIS? Do we just want to keep allowing ISIS to steal weapons from the military, then reselling Iraq weapons to make up for the blown up stolen goods? I'm really curious, I don't see any other way how airstrikes are profitable. I've read the airstrikes they use cost millions. One source even said the campaign is costing around 7.5 million a day (yes I realize that isn't really A LOT, but still considerable with how long we've been involved, and it is most likes higher then the number they release.)
Again, I only have a loose view on the subject, would appreciate clarification.
So what have you found so far:
Whats ISIS's goal?
Do you think Obama's plan is justified?
Do you think this campaign is designed just for military profits?
Nearly all the weapons used by ISIS are American or Russian, how does that make you feel?
Should we withdrawal from the middle east, and just continue to sell arms?
Do you really think ISIS is threatening us?
and most important, is all my information correct?
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the single most important factor concerning ISIS that must be kept in mind during any situational analysis:
ISIS is a western-created and -funded organization to promote an agenda that has nothing to do with their publicly stated goals
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abu bakr al baghdadi was trained in Jordan (proven fact) and possibly by the mossad there (unsubstantiated). Isis was trained in Jordan. Abu was incarcerated in Iraq for a while but was let go for unknown reasons and was initially denied to ahve been in "captivity" at all. Government in Iran in Shiite and STRONG shi'ite, hates Sunnis and wants to forge closer ties with Iran. For the time being, Al Maliki served his purpose.
Al Queda in Iraq->ISIS->IS
ISIS was trained in Jordan, funded for at least 2 years and taught how to finish off the wounded
Now, after beefing with other rebel groups as well as Bash, they took over HUGE swaths of Iraq, made way for Kurdistan to be set up (Israel and Turkey were the first two countries to recognize it) and the kurds are the most pro western people in the middle east. So now Kurdistan is a state, the Shi'ite have been slaughtered and divided, Iran doesn't know where the send military aid to, US has justification for the airstrikes on Syria they've always wanted and now that they've ramped up the rhetoric and propaganda against Russia, they don't have to placate Putin.
They just approved half a billion for the FSA who are hardcore islamists. Whoever said they were "moderate" is a liar or using an extreme scale. They want an islamic theocracy and Bashir Al Assad's alawites are seen as heretics. Alawites are basically polytheists which causes a lot of beef. Bash is basically secular and the only chance of stability in Syria. It's basically "yeah, he sucks...but somehow he's far and away leading the pack for Syrian leaders." Syria is bordering on failed state which is an absolute shame due to its history but overthrowing Bash the lion is just going to prevent it from ever improving.
So basically, the IS is controlled opposition that overstepped their bounds when they took the mosul dam and the US realized how ill equipped the peshmerga really were. A couple leaders of the Islamic front just died so if their leadership splinters they're gonna fail, hence the US moving in. The Islamic state was always being used as a pretext for invading syria
The Islamic State was always being used as a pretext for invading Syria
The Islamic State was always being used as a pretext for invading Syria
Nobody was happier to see a couple beheading videos on liveleak than obama. Now that's in the collective consciousness and Americans are pro air strikes and shit. Turkeys "chemical warfare" false flag wasn't convincing enough, now people see a white guy get his head cut off and shit their pants. This is called manufacturing consent, faggots. I could go on and on but whatever
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oMjXbuj7BPI&list=UUEHsSWvrGVSIA63OV3J6vhA
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/09/12/opinion/putin-plea-for-caution-from-russia-on-syria.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0
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forgot to mention ISIS getting BTFO by the FSA before their massive june offensive when they took all the US's old equipment and came back stronger than ever.
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not just syria. any predominant muslim country that the west decides it wants to have free access into.
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forgot to mention ISIS successfully managed to get rid of sykes picot
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not just syria. any predominant muslim country that the west decides it wants to have free access into.
shut the fuck up
what are you even trying to say
that was rhetorical, don't try to say it with more articulation, you already failed
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the single most important factor concerning ISIS that must be kept in mind during any situational analysis:
ISIS is a western-created and -funded organization to promote an agenda that has nothing to do with their publicly stated goals
Exactly! Once you figure that out then it's hard to believe most of what politicians have to say and you cannot see things the same way anymore. The goals they don't state are one's that will benefit those in power only.
His speech tonight was lame as hell. Especially the second half, I really hope no one bought into his lies of America being thriving and leading country. It's all BS. This country is dead and the only way to revive it would be to fight back against those in power.
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holy shit, everyone ITT other than me is 14 years old and just read 1984
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not just syria. any predominant muslim country that the west decides it wants to have free access into.
shut the fuck up
what are you even trying to say
that was rhetorical, don't try to say it with more articulation, you already failed
simmer down you festering little anal wart and re-read what i typed a little slower this time. if your single functioning brain cell was firing properly you'd understand the simple concept. there were no big words used. any third grader would grasp the concept. if you still need help, go down the hallway and knock on your mommys door to ask her guidance
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Forgot to mention that this whole ISIS thing will for sure lead to more of our rights being taken away for our 'safety'.
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the single most important factor concerning ISIS that must be kept in mind during any situational analysis:
ISIS is a western-created and -funded organization to promote an agenda that has nothing to do with their publicly stated goals
Exactly! Once you figure that out then it's hard to believe most of what politicians have to say and you cannot see things the same way anymore. The goals they don't state are one's that will benefit those in power only.
His speech tonight was lame as hell. Especially the second half, I really hope no one bought into his lies of America being thriving and leading country. It's all BS. This country is dead and the only way to revive it would be to fight back against those in power.
just like reading a post from zok about changes....
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holy shit, everyone ITT other than me is 14 years old and just read 1984
then stop bothering the older kids and go back to the children your own age. there is no shame in being the only 8 year only in your preschool class...one of these years youll pass so they dont have to hold you back again
the single most important factor concerning ISIS that must be kept in mind during any situational analysis:
ISIS is a western-created and -funded organization to promote an agenda that has nothing to do with their publicly stated goals
Exactly! Once you figure that out then it's hard to believe most of what politicians have to say and you cannot see things the same way anymore. The goals they don't state are one's that will benefit those in power only.
His speech tonight was lame as hell. Especially the second half, I really hope no one bought into his lies of America being thriving and leading country. It's all BS. This country is dead and the only way to revive it would be to fight back against those in power.
just like reading a post from zok about changes....
i wouldnt know. ive never read one
the single most important factor concerning ISIS that must be kept in mind during any situational analysis:
ISIS is a western-created and -funded organization to promote an agenda that has nothing to do with their publicly stated goals
Exactly! Once you figure that out then it's hard to believe most of what politicians have to say and you cannot see things the same way anymore. The goals they don't state are one's that will benefit those in power only.
His speech tonight was lame as hell. Especially the second half, I really hope no one bought into his lies of America being thriving and leading country. It's all BS. This country is dead and the only way to revive it would be to fight back against those in power.
he isnt even mentally capable of writing the things he says. someone in the background tells him what to say and do.
this country is due for a french-revolution-esque party. politicians, lobbyist, and all other members of the corpocracy have a date with the hangman
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I'd like to administer an IQ test to idiotsynchronicity
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how old are you infinityshock?
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I think what's most important of all is why are we focusing on problems overseas when we have dire problems in our own borders? *cough*Ferguson*cough*
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how old are you infinityshock?
Oh don't mind him. He is trolling. His goal on this site is to annoy everyone.
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I think what's most important of all is why are we focusing on problems overseas when we have dire problems in our own borders? *cough*Ferguson*cough*
ferguson isn't a dire problem, it's a symptom of the militarization of the police force which is the dire problem. It bubbled over because of racial overtones but cops will shoot an unarmed honky dead if they perceive it as a threat and Al Sharpton won't feign outrage over it
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lol, i swear unstable matter is getting more retarded every day. i cant help but feel he's insecure as fuck either, due to the butthurt he experiences after somebody disagrees with him.
does anybody want to summarize obama's speech? what's the strategy?
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lol, i swear unstable matter is getting more retarded every day. i cant help but feel he's insecure as fuck either, due to the butthurt he experiences after somebody disagrees with him.
does anybody want to summarize obama's speech? what's the strategy?
>implying anyone disagreed with me
IQ?
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this thread is depressing because it has people trying to talk seriously in it and sounding like retards, literally saying amurka is prime for "le Russel brand revolution"
ugh
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Obama's continued support of 'opposition' in Syria will create further strife in the region; he is perpetuating a 3 way war. Don't be surprised when the 'Syrian rebels' resemble a new al'queda type organization.
America's foreign policy is misguided. When I get the opportunity I'm moving from this war machine to a country where I don't have to surrender 30% of my wages to support this bullshit .
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Aka Singapore
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Irans sphere of influence is going to get smaller, pushing them further into the arms of Russia and they're gonna up the arms shipments to shit tier countries like Yemen
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Why do y'all care about Isis crisis for? Let our country handle it. As for me I don't give a fuck. I got my own problems to worry about and so do y'all. Focus on your family, kids, job, etc dont add anymore stress to your life worrying about our bullshit president and bullshit Isis. The world is always gonna be fucked up we can't save it but you can save yourself and family.
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Why do y'all care about Isis crisis for? Let our country handle it. As for me I don't give a fuck. I got my own problems to worry about and so do y'all. Focus on your family, kids, job, etc dont add anymore stress to your life worrying about our bullshit president and bullshit Isis. The world is always gonna be fucked up we can't save it but you can save yourself and family.
I want to fuck persian girls tho and the US has a policy of killing and encircling hot Persian qts
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Why do y'all care about Isis crisis for? Let our country handle it. As for me I don't give a fuck. I got my own problems to worry about and so do y'all. Focus on your family, kids, job, etc dont add anymore stress to your life worrying about our bullshit president and bullshit Isis. The world is always gonna be fucked up we can't save it but you can save yourself and family.
You do realize that this does effect you ? Lets say you work an 8 hour day, a certain proportion of that is worked for the benefit of the government (taxes) - the wages are lost. What does this money, your transformed labor time go towards? Military spending, nsa surveillance, arming 'rebels' , arming Israel, developing killing machines, etc.
This does effect you, and every tax payer!
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I think what's most important of all is why are we focusing on problems overseas when we have dire problems in our own borders? *cough*Ferguson*cough*
ferguson isn't a dire problem, it's a symptom of the militarization of the police force which is the dire problem. It bubbled over because of racial overtones but cops will shoot an unarmed honky dead if they perceive it as a threat and Al Sharpton won't feign outrage over it
I'm sick of people making it a race issue too. I bet those in power are happy that a lot of people are still missing the real issue, police militarization as you stated. What can we do to stop this? When we're young we're told that violence is not the answer, but is it? Violence and fear is the way a government can convince a population to do anything. 9/11 and all the shit that happened after is just one example.
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Why do y'all care about Isis crisis for? Let our country handle it. As for me I don't give a fuck. I got my own problems to worry about and so do y'all. Focus on your family, kids, job, etc dont add anymore stress to your life worrying about our bullshit president and bullshit Isis. The world is always gonna be fucked up we can't save it but you can save yourself and family.
You do realize that this does effect you ? Lets say you work an 8 hour day, a certain proportion of that is worked for the benefit of the government (taxes) - the wages are lost. What does this money, your transformed labor time go towards? Military spending, nsa surveillance, arming 'rebels' , arming Israel, developing killing machines, etc.
This does effect you, and every tax payer!
do u subscribe to the austrian?
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Why do y'all care about Isis crisis for? Let our country handle it. As for me I don't give a fuck. I got my own problems to worry about and so do y'all. Focus on your family, kids, job, etc dont add anymore stress to your life worrying about our bullshit president and bullshit Isis. The world is always gonna be fucked up we can't save it but you can save yourself and family.
You do realize that this does effect you ? Lets say you work an 8 hour day, a certain proportion of that is worked for the benefit of the government (taxes) - the wages are lost. What does this money, your transformed labor time go towards? Military spending, nsa surveillance, arming 'rebels' , arming Israel, developing killing machines, etc.
This does effect you, and every tax payer!
do u subscribe to the austrian?
No, I tend to associate myself with the opposite side of the spectrum.
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what kind of captial command structure though?
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My philosophy has no pertinence to reality , given western society's structure has an evolutionary validity of precedent.
Revolution can't happen here, now.
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my nigga
what do you think of social libertarianism?
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Sounds like an identity crisis to me.
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Sounds like an identity crisis to me.
fuck thats pretty funny
franz kafka is the most well known social libertarian
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Sounds like an identity crisis to me.
fuck thats pretty funny
franz kafka is the most well known social libertarian
Im busy reading modern blackjack, slowly realizing the profit potential from solely counting is poor.
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i told you this like 6 monthsv ago
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i told you this like 6 monthsv ago
Well, given my bankroll.
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lol, i swear unstable matter is getting more retarded every day. i cant help but feel he's insecure as fuck either, due to the butthurt he experiences after somebody disagrees with him.
does anybody want to summarize obama's speech? what's the strategy?
>implying anyone disagreed with me
IQ?
sorry, i saw you behaving like a spastic and figured someone disagreed with you again.
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Why do y'all care about Isis crisis for? Let our country handle it. As for me I don't give a fuck. I got my own problems to worry about and so do y'all. Focus on your family, kids, job, etc dont add anymore stress to your life worrying about our bullshit president and bullshit Isis. The world is always gonna be fucked up we can't save it but you can save yourself and family.
You do realize that this does effect you ? Lets say you work an 8 hour day, a certain proportion of that is worked for the benefit of the government (taxes) - the wages are lost. What does this money, your transformed labor time go towards? Military spending, nsa surveillance, arming 'rebels' , arming Israel, developing killing machines, etc.
This does effect you, and every tax payer!
Trust me I understand. I get it. There gonna do what they want regardless of how we feel just like they make us feel by how us voting makes a difference when in reality our votes really don't count for shit. All I'm saying is let's focus what's in front of us that's more important like our families, ourselves, and our job. I got shot before for no reason and I googled online & not one word about it. That's because they don't care. If you, or me, die they don't care only our friends and family care so let's do for them instead of adding more stress in ourselves worrying about the world. If you worry about the world you will worry forever because there will never be peace bro.
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As evil as they are i want them to succeeed just to see what they will do once in power. Then bomb them into submission.
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if you buy marijuana, you just might be supporting ISIS.