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Offline equanimity

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Justified Nirvana hate
« on: November 21, 2014, 12:01:08 pm »
I always thought that was a pretty funny name for an unreleased nirvana song. "You know you're right I'm a loser and should kill myself." "You know you're right, grunge is derivative and lazy so I should just kill myself" etc etc etc ad nauseum. Nirvana had some good shit though. Song is literally Kurt Cobain screaming "paaaaaaaaiiiiiiiinnnnnnnnnn into the mic as it's chorus. Some justifies nirvana hate

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qv96yJYhk3M

Pretty sure UM didn't mean anything so harsh, but it's always bothered me a little when people say things like this about Nirvana.  Especially if they trash on Kurt Cobain or call him a hack or whatever.  Chan makes the point better than I ever could:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cdQz9ghg_sk

For a little background on her, she's a musician with terrible social anxiety and stage fright, and she's been known to have emotional breakdowns during performances.  Was bad into drugs and alcohol for a while, and has admitted to hating herself and her music, feeling her praise and fame were undeserved.  These days she thankfully seems to be doing much better.  To me she seems like the sort of person we should listen to about Kurt Cobain.

Whatever personal experiences led up to his death, it seems obvious that the fame and demands of the job were putting him under a lot of stress.  People really were saying he was the best, their songs were on all the modern music radio stations, and they had their share of harsh critics as well.  Chan seems to think he felt he owed his fans something he didn't even feel capable of, and it's really no wonder why.  He said he didn't even want to be doing grunge there near the end.

These days the more reasonable Nirvana critics don't say that the band was awful, but that their fame is undeserved.  That the band's faults are somewhat unfairly glossed over by the grunge genre and its "celebration" of glaring imperfection.  And that Cobain's death popularized the music even more, in that familiar grim fashion.  They went down in recent history as one of the best and are still played frequently on the radio stations, and while they maybe had some talent they are not comparable to the true greats of the past.

As if talent is measurable, and fairness exists in the entertainment industry.  To me they are among the best.  Not just because of their talent or poetry, though to deny their significance is silly.  It's just so amazing to me that anything like this ever could become so popular, and even be considered as a contender with the other greats.  The music is genuine, even in its assertion of its insincerity.  Doubt and insecurity are expressed all over the place, in obvious and very subtle ways.  And that's all surrounded by this strange raw and true talent.  People loved it just as they hated it, and that's so fitting- if a little sad.

To me, it's the hate that's unjustified.  Not the praise, not the fame.  That people can coldly hate and love with open hearts this beautiful music filled with self-hatred and genuineness (among other things) says a lot about the human condition, I think.  I mean, aren't rockstars supposed to epitomize confidence and sex?  Why would we be so attracted to and angry at this mess.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YJ5tObfxGtM


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Re: Justified Nirvana hate
« Reply #1 on: November 21, 2014, 01:43:00 pm »
Yeah I don't listen to Nirvana because Roger Ebert said it was good.
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Re: Justified Nirvana hate
« Reply #2 on: November 21, 2014, 11:05:18 pm »
I can see why "normal" people wouldn't like nirvana, but as someone with schizophrenia, adhd, bipolar, all that, the songs really describe my state of mind. Also Kurt was on ritalin at a young age and had adhd, probably bipolar hence the song name lithium, a mood stabilizer.
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Re: Justified Nirvana hate
« Reply #3 on: November 21, 2014, 11:33:57 pm »
I enjoy Nirvana for the same reason I don't enjoy my own company.
Snarling, ravenous, and withdrawn, cold, insincere to the bullshit propagated by intoxication of a herd rolling across a field picking up and glorifying the occasional stone simply because it was along the way.
I'm crazy and insensible just like Kurt Cobain, but without the pain, but I want to scream, but indifferent glare is all I can manage, but I am only human and so is society  a spiderweb of relations  at night under lights catching everything flying like my mind speeding astronomically and stopping at these points of reflection, a rainbow, like Nirvana.

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Re: Justified Nirvana hate
« Reply #4 on: November 22, 2014, 05:36:40 am »
I like Nirvana. It was a fair soundtrack to a time in my life where I lived.. well.. a pretty grungy lifestyle.. Living out of my car and bunking with a friend in his parents camper.. helping him get his late night work done making doughnuts.. running the at night scoring drugs from the ghettos.. im not even lying.. Then returning back to the camper to smoke and jam our own music.. We thought we could take our rough sound and do something with it. Sure, we were idealistic.. disillusioned.. and naive to probably an extreme extent.. All things said and done, and looking back now.. as a home owner, self employed, doing better than most of the people I know and went to school with.. Oddly, it was one of the best times of my life.. Not all of it, sure.. but it was exciting.. free.. adventurous.. It's hard for me not to listen to Nirvana and reflect in nostalgia.. waking up on binders in strange places.. meeting wild and crazy interesting people.. musicians.. artists.. tattoo fanatics.. lesbians.. queers.. Coming form a small town and then staying 60 miles away in a slightly bigger more grungier place.. It was cool.. And it made me accepting.. understanding.. cultured a bit given the slight transition..

 Another thing, I always admired the intended irony of Nirvanas music.. that poppy catchy sound with under-cast dark lyrical content.. Nirvana deserves its popularity because.. people like it.. some dont and thats fair.. I dont like boy bands, modern country, modern pop (for the most part with some exceptions) and the like.. but the community around here is all about that. I dont hate, I just listen to what I like and let it be..
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Re: Justified Nirvana hate
« Reply #5 on: November 22, 2014, 05:53:22 am »
nirvana is way better than the faggot beatles/led zepplin
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Re: Justified Nirvana hate
« Reply #6 on: November 22, 2014, 06:30:50 am »
nirvana is way better than the faggot beatles/led zepplin

Oddly, you throw in Pink Floyd and those were the 4 most influential bands of my youth..
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Re: Justified Nirvana hate
« Reply #7 on: November 22, 2014, 06:37:28 am »
nirvana is way better than the faggot beatles/led zepplin

Oddly, you throw in Pink Floyd and those were the 4 most influential bands of my youth..

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