Question regarding thread derailment rules.

[Umbrella Corp]

I think arnox needs to "cool off" that ban buttom for a while.

[starvingniglet]

If there's nothing to be said then why try saying it?

If an OP is that good then the mods can either a) pin it directly or b) aggregate such threads via a pinned link thread. The latter point is best achieved by a forum mod who understands what qualifies as good information. We don't have dedicated forum mods, which is a problem when it comes to the specialist forums... but that's a different issue

I agree, arnox needs to use his moderators better, he is just fucking around and playing at being a 'webmaster'

I never said you could. I'd just prefer them not to be filled with irrelevant shite.

well I would prefer free daily blowjobs from a female of my choice

but we don't just get what we want, we have to compromise sometimes

the turmoil at this place does far more damage than a few errant posts

Make a rule and there'll invariably be exceptions; they should be treated as such.

On a 'case by case' basis, right?

[Σ]

you can't make rules to enforce 'quality content' and magically have threads full of knowledge and learning appear.........

I never said you could. I'd just prefer them not to be filled with irrelevant shite.

and sometimes the 'derailed' conversations become even more interesting than the OP

That's occasionally true. Make a rule and there'll invariably be exceptions; they should be treated as such.

But that's not what this thread is about.

I agree with slave on the first point. I have realistic expectations at to what is expected as far as content goes but it only makes sense to do away with irrelevant shit that isn't on topic or even sensible.

On the second point regarding conversations that have been derailed but still informative I would say that those aren't the off topic posts/thread derailment we are discouraging.  If what you have to say ends up turning the direction of the thread elsewhere its no problem for mods to start a new thread with the posts that are off topic of the original thread but still good shit.

Honestly being off topic isn't the worst thing in the world. It is true there are situations where they add to the conversation. But its just when those off topic post are consistently shit one liners with no relevance we have a problem.

[starvingniglet]

Oh yeah, SOTB, I am sure you remember when I typed something like 'you are the last person we need as moderator' you know I was joking, right?

you are a-ok in my book

just thought I would type that, since I am conversing with you

feeling some friendly feelings towards the world for once because the opiates are kicking in

 

[Spectre]

Derailment is one issue that can be debated on merits and cons for quite a while

However the common trend I see people complaining/confused about is who and what is the target for punishment when it comes to derailment. Because as it is it serves as an excuse to ban people with undesirable viewpoints to emotionally unstable pansy's and I believe we can all agree that that is a much bigger issue at hand here, the pure hypocrisy of it all.

[Umbrella Corp]

Because as it is it serves as an excuse to ban people with undesirable viewpoints to emotionally unstable pansy's and I believe we can all agree that that is a much bigger issue at hand here, the pure hypocrisy of it all.

Exactly.  "case by case basis" is code word for ban the people we don't like and ignore the ass kissers.

I can personally attest to that.  Back before Zek was outted as being definitively Zek I was sympathetic to the administration, but as soon as I started disagreeing with Arnox, that VERY DAY he gave me a bullshit warning.  Ended up taking it back after I made a thread about it being bullshit..

[starvingniglet]

I agree with slave on the first point. I have realistic expectations at to what is expected as far as content goes but it only makes sense to do away with irrelevant shit that isn't on topic or even sensible.

On the second point regarding conversations that have been derailed but still informative I would say that those aren't the off topic posts/thread derailment we are discouraging.  If what you have to say ends up turning the direction of the thread elsewhere its no problem for mods to start a new thread with the posts that are off topic of the original thread but still good shit.

Honestly being off topic isn't the worst thing in the world. It is true there are situations where they add to the conversation. But its just when those off topic post are consistently shit one liners with no relevance we have a problem.

yeah, I am not talking about non-sequiter posts like 'nigger' in the middle of a detailed chemistry thread (though I laugh at that kinda shit)......

as you have seen though, sometimes posts that seem OT or 'derailing' are mistakenly infracted, when really they were answering someone else, commenting on anothers post, or making some vague reference that the website administrator didn't understand

[Spectre]

Because as it is it serves as an excuse to ban people with undesirable viewpoints to emotionally unstable pansy's and I believe we can all agree that that is a much bigger issue at hand here, the pure hypocrisy of it all.

Exactly.  "case by case basis" is code word for ban the people we don't like and ignore the ass kissers.

I can personally attest to that.  Back before Zek was outted as being definitively Zek I was sympathetic to the administration, but as soon as I started disagreeing with Arnox, that VERY DAY he gave me a bullshit warning.  Ended up taking it back after I made a thread about it being bullshit..

this can be seen by the people who end up having watched under their names you can almost guarantee it will show up a short time after something negative is said about Arnie or Zek

[Σ]

I don't understand the problem with it being dealt with by a case by case basis. The fact remains that every case of harassment is different. Every case differs in areas like intention, aggression, how often it occurs and various other factors so it would be nearly impossible to blanket one punishment when almost all cases will vary.

Regarding off topic post, the hungry niglet has a point. We all know which posts are off topic when it comes to post that are as simple as "nigger" or "OP IS A FAGGOT" but its the ones like "Candy ass roody poos" we have to watch out for. I would argue the places where infraction for off topic post should be discouraged are the subforums Spurious Generalities, Half Baked and Bitch and Moan, NIMF and maybe I Found It On The Web. I say these forums because these are the ones where most of the mistaken infractions occur. I dont think most people would have a problem with that since all the other forums on the site are geared towards a specialty and off topic/derailing posts are way easier to spot.

[Spectre]

I don't understand the problem with it being dealt with by a case by case basis. The fact remains that every case of harassment is different. Every case differs in areas like intention, aggression, how often it occurs and various other factors so it would be nearly impossible to blanket one punishment when almost all cases will vary.

Regarding off topic post, the hungry niglet has a point. We all know which posts are off topic when it comes to post that are as simple as "nigger" or "OP IS A FAGGOT" but its the ones like "Candy ass roody poos" we have to watch out for. I would argue the places where infraction for off topic post should be discouraged are the subforums Spurious Generalities, Half Baked and Bitch and Moan, NIMF and maybe I Found It On The Web. I say these forums because these are the ones where most of the mistaken infractions occur. I dont think most people would have a problem with that since all the other forums on the site are geared towards a specialty and off topic/derailing posts are way easier to spot.

it's funny because those forums you mentioned specifically bitch and moan seems to have the highest volume of infractions flying from it for hurt feelings

[starvingniglet]

I don't understand the problem with it being dealt with by a case by case basis. The fact remains that every case of harassment is different. Every case differs in areas like intention, aggression, how often it occurs and various other factors so it would be nearly impossible to blanket one punishment when almost all cases will vary.

Regarding off topic post, the hungry niglet has a point. We all know which posts are off topic when it comes to post that are as simple as "nigger" or "OP IS A FAGGOT" but its the ones like "Candy ass roody poos" we have to watch out for. I would argue the places where infraction for off topic post should be discouraged are the subforums Spurious Generalities, Half Baked and Bitch and Moan, NIMF and maybe I Found It On The Web. I say these forums because these are the ones where most of the mistaken infractions occur. I dont think most people would have a problem with that since all the other forums on the site are geared towards a specialty and off topic/derailing posts are way easier to spot.

those forums you mentioned are, strangely enough, the most policed places on the site. 

they are also, strangely enough, where a certain subset of the zoklet crowd hangs out. 

those users are, strangely enough, the ones who tend to disrupt the 'parlor atmosphere' that arnox hungers for.

it would also be strange as hell if I could find lots of off topic posts that are untouched in the more 'informative' parts of the site, wouldn't it? 

fortunately I am too high and unmotivated to go and find those posts.  anyone autistic and bored want to give it a shot?

[Σ]

Yes the forums I mentioned are the most policed places on the sites. But I'm not the one policing them with infractions. Maybe Ill talk to Arnox about "infraction free" zones being the forums I mentioned. Unless a post directly violates the rules (cp, pi, etc) then its fine as it is there. I think that would allow the users who want to have their shits and giggles to have those shits and giggles outside of the more serious conversations.

[starvingniglet]

Yes the forums I mentioned are the most policed places on the sites. But I'm not the one policing them with infractions. Maybe Ill talk to Arnox about "infraction free" zones being the forums I mentioned. Unless a post directly violates the rules (cp, pi, etc) then its fine as it is there. I think that would allow the users who want to have their shits and giggles to have those shits and giggles outside of the more serious conversations.

we have been saying this all along, or at least I have....arnox was abso-fucking-lutely against it.  He will never acquiesce, the reason those are the most policed places on the site is because he wants to run those people off the site, or at least corrall and try to tame them (which will never fucking happen)

[Obvious Alt]

Never.

[Saint Hubertus]

lol Risir is back