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Re: Totse2 is now completely shut down...
« Reply #45 on: August 26, 2014, 07:06:21 pm »
>tells user to post specific examples of his bad attitude
>gets mad and dismissive when user does it
>gets mad that user points out the exact reason his interactions are poor again
>tells user to leave cause he doesn't get praised by said user

Yeah you're right you're totally showing the behaviors of a good admin on an internet forum. I am definitely personally attacking you when posting examples and proving your dismissive reaction to users by highlighting your own responses.

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« Reply #46 on: August 26, 2014, 07:42:47 pm »
Spectre, why are you so concerned about this?  FFS this is a forum site and out of all the topics you can post in you seem just centered on bashing Arnox.  Newsflash, people make fucking mistakes from time to time.  Unless theres someone pointing a gun at your head saying "get back on that forum and fix this shit" then chill the fuck out.  If you don't like the way the site is being run then like arnox said, fucking leave, nobody is forcing you to stay. 
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« Reply #47 on: August 26, 2014, 07:55:57 pm »
sorry you think answering the admins questions is "bashing" him

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« Reply #48 on: August 26, 2014, 07:56:07 pm »
>tells user to post specific examples of his bad attitude
>gets mad and dismissive when user does it

Nope. Actually, I wondered why I should bother explaining myself to you if you're going to argue with everything I say and then you validated my view further by being confrontational some more.


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« Reply #49 on: August 26, 2014, 08:14:27 pm »
Nope. Actually, I wondered why I should bother explaining myself to you if you're going to argue with everything I say and then you validated my view further by being confrontational some more.

Yeah see however that's not true. I very clearly answered the question you posed and by definition not explaining your self is dismissive especially after you posed the question to me. I don't believe you understand what confrontational actually is if you think someone bringing up instances of fact to support their standpoint is confrontational.


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« Reply #50 on: August 26, 2014, 08:43:13 pm »
Yeah see however that's not true. I very clearly answered the question you posed and by definition not explaining your self is dismissive especially after you posed the question to me. I don't believe you understand what confrontational actually is if you think someone bringing up instances of fact to support their standpoint is confrontational.

So you're honestly telling me that if I explained myself, you would listen? Seriously, be honest.


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« Reply #51 on: August 26, 2014, 09:08:08 pm »
So you're honestly telling me that if I explained myself, you would listen? Seriously, be honest.

I would certainly read a point of view you hold about yourself. However I fail to see how an explanation of dismissive behavior and poor interactions somehow changes it to not dismissive behavior and poor interactions. I never asked for an explanation of WHY you're dismissive and not good at interacting in my post with the thread link, you're the one that stated,
 
You know, I was about to go on this lengthy explanation about all the things that were mentioned here but then I realize that talking to either of you would probably be pointless. You're both going to argue with/ignore everything I say I think.
In response to me answering your question of specifically pointing out times your attitude was bad. Explaining why your attitude to users and your team sucks doesn't make your attitude to your team and users not suck.

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« Reply #52 on: August 27, 2014, 01:07:33 am »
Arnox, here is your issue:

1. You dismiss what certain users have to say about you and the site. Sure you may not wanna hear it but it is feedback. And evaluating that feedback is what will make you a good admin.
2. You don't even try to explain yourself. Sure they may not read it but posting an explanation is a hell of a lot better than just posting a one line comment stating your view.
3. You think that since you made this forum we should like you or all be buddies. Unfortunately the whole ideology totse and sites of that nature is antiauthoritarian. So simply by being in a position of power most of the users are not going to like you.
4. You allow yourself to get into flame wars with the users. A great example is in the link a user provided to a thread called "Real Salsa". Does it really matter how much BS a user posts as long as they post SOMETHING of value?

Everyone else, here is your issue:

1. You don't fucking post enough. How can we have a forum with 5 new posts a day on average?
2. You shit on anything that doesn't interest you. Why do so many of you stupid fucks go into a thread and just post some bullshit? What is the point? It just makes us look bad when people scroll through our threads to see some good information for the first few posts then everything is derailed by one person posting something off topic just to piss everyone off.
3. You think the admin is more self righteous than he really is. No he doesn't think himself Moses building an ark for lost totseans he simply made a site where we can carry on the spirit.

TL/DR
If you don't particularly care for what Arnox has to say why should he care for your criticisms?
« Last Edit: August 27, 2014, 01:25:50 am by Σ »
tl;dr: idealism will not un-rape you.

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« Reply #53 on: August 27, 2014, 01:42:17 am »
I agree with you Σ on all but a few points and I think it's simply because you missed the beginning of the interactions with users and mods. This attitude has persisted from the very inception of the site and I feel that's why a lot of people aren't willing to listen to Arnox seriously. Almost all the regulars from &T2 aren't around here and I've talked to them and seen the discussions in the irc about their issues with his attitude. Every time the site has shown signs of a downward trend we get messages and posts like the one in the OP blaming users. I'd also disagree with your point of us thinking he's more self righteous than he really is seeing as he feels very much entitled to constant praise.

I really do see where you're coming from but if you were here from the very start you'd have seen a trend of this behavior and a rapidly evaporating user base that already is reenacting the same behaviors of &T2 before it.

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« Reply #54 on: August 27, 2014, 02:10:04 am »
I have questioned his attitude towards certain users but I somewhat understand it. Oppenheimer is one of them, his avatar is a butthole. If it were not for that fact I would really like oppenheimer. He usually has some good stuff to say and isn't as much of a shitposter as I thought he would be. He is like the guy with the great personality but a butthole for a face, I cant hate him for having a butthole face but I can judge him for it. Fang is a different situation. He can post amazing content but he has a butthole for a heart. He doesn't give a fuck about anything other than his own lolz. I dont blame him but it can get a little... destructive to say the least and that can be an issue for me. I don't get what arnox has against Spectre though. I dont see him as having any butthole body parts other than his butthole.

And while I am on the topic of discussing my feelings of certain users here is a special message just for Shiva:

My Dearest Shiva,

Not a day goes by that I do not think of you. I have begun to wonder if you read my letters or if they go straight to the fire. If they do, I cant say I blame you. I know we didn't end on a good note even though you were nice enough to say you "just needed some time to figure yourself out" and there cant be an us before there is a solid foundation in you but I promise I have changed. I no longer look look at other women because I have realized that the only woman worth looking at is you. I have been doing the dishes. I know it really bugged you that I didn't do them. I also have considered your comments about having children before you broke it off. I was scared and sure I wouldn't be a good father but I am ready now. I want us to have two beautiful children, a house with a white picket fence and most importantly I want you back. You don't need to answer now but please at least consider the effort I have made to make myself better for you. I long to hear a reply from you and will wait for as long as it takes, even if that is an eternity. Because, Shiva, I love you and I need you in my life. I was a fool and will do anything for you to take me back. I hope to hear from you but I understand if it is just too difficult for you.

With the greatest love one can feel,
Σ
tl;dr: idealism will not un-rape you.

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« Reply #55 on: August 27, 2014, 03:07:29 am »
I'm not sure where to begin.

Arnox, you're a good guy. I think you're feeling a little bit of admin's remorse. You've put a lot of effort into this site and I understand that you want all the cards to fall as planned. But please understand that a community forum is a living, breathing, and most importantly changing organism. I don't mean to imply that you are doing this, but we cannot control the thoughts or the behavior at large of the user-base. You can influence, and you are in a great position to be of influence, but not everyone will react in the way you had planned. I know there are rules, but unless someone is seriously disrupting the flow of the site, then sometimes we just need to let it go.

So what is key to being successful? In my opinion, it is to never lose your cool. I can tell that you are restraining yourself, which is good, but I try to never respond to something immediately if it gets my emotions going. Participating in discussion is good; I'm not saying not to do that. Sometimes I just have to step away from the keyboard before responding.

To everyone else, I expect you to be doing what you are doing. I'm not saying that Arnox is entirely in the wrong, but speaking up like you have been means that you care, and I like that. There is no reason that people can't discuss touchy subjects, especially about the core of their own self.

That being said, Arnox can only provide the framework of this place. The community is not this website, just as the church is not its building. We, the users, are the community. I want you to continue being vocal about things about which you are passionate, but keep your expectations in check. You will only get out of something what you put in it. There are outliers, meaning some put in more than they get, and some get more than they put in, but generally we have to manage ourselves as a community.

This is a touchy area for leadership. The role of leadership is to motivate. Rarely is the role to intervene and discontinue an activity because the community is like the market. Outside of a few enforced regulations, it will, and needs to be allowed to, manage itself.

So where does that leave the community? Your role is to engage. Engage however you can, however you want. Test the boundaries (you're good at this), but be observant. We don't need to stop and have round table discussions all the time about the mechanics of how to discuss. Just do it.

I'm not sure where to end or if I even said anything. The great thing is, you can challenge me. Just don't do it in an immature way. I love logical discussion, and that is what will win here. Challenge what we know or think we know. Push others. Push yourself.

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« Reply #56 on: August 27, 2014, 07:25:39 pm »
Well there's a lot of times you've been extremely dismissive ^ that post is a great example of your unwillingness to even be open to the idea that you may be butting heads with staff and users. I'm not going to sit here and write an enumerated list seeing as you likely won't even take it seriously, but I have been present while you act like a knob to your moderator in IRC and I've seen you act like a douche in threads where someone actually contributes http://www.intosanctuary.com/index.php?topic=347.0 < this thread is a good example of your poor interactions as an admin.

That's a great example of why I don't make time to post new threads.

You know, I was about to go on this lengthy explanation about all the things that were mentioned here but then I realize that talking to either of you would probably be pointless. You're both going to argue with/ignore everything I say I think.

Wow, an actual contribution. :tup:

This website is such a fucking joke.



Arnox gave me a warning for posting EXACTLY THE SAME THING he posted in my thread. When he does it it's ok. When someone else does it it's spam.

This is why the site is shit and dead.

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« Reply #57 on: August 27, 2014, 07:28:40 pm »
I have questioned his attitude towards certain users but I somewhat understand it. Oppenheimer is one of them, his avatar is a butthole. If it were not for that fact I would really like oppenheimer. He usually has some good stuff to say and isn't as much of a shitposter as I thought he would be. He is like the guy with the great personality but a butthole for a face, I cant hate him for having a butthole face but I can judge him for it. Fang is a different situation. He can post amazing content but he has a butthole for a heart. He doesn't give a fuck about anything other than his own lolz. I dont blame him but it can get a little... destructive to say the least and that can be an issue for me. I don't get what arnox has against Spectre though. I dont see him as having any butthole body parts other than his butthole.

And while I am on the topic of discussing my feelings of certain users here is a special message just for Shiva:

My Dearest Shiva,

Not a day goes by that I do not think of you. I have begun to wonder if you read my letters or if they go straight to the fire. If they do, I cant say I blame you. I know we didn't end on a good note even though you were nice enough to say you "just needed some time to figure yourself out" and there cant be an us before there is a solid foundation in you but I promise I have changed. I no longer look look at other women because I have realized that the only woman worth looking at is you. I have been doing the dishes. I know it really bugged you that I didn't do them. I also have considered your comments about having children before you broke it off. I was scared and sure I wouldn't be a good father but I am ready now. I want us to have two beautiful children, a house with a white picket fence and most importantly I want you back. You don't need to answer now but please at least consider the effort I have made to make myself better for you. I long to hear a reply from you and will wait for as long as it takes, even if that is an eternity. Because, Shiva, I love you and I need you in my life. I was a fool and will do anything for you to take me back. I hope to hear from you but I understand if it is just too difficult for you.

With the greatest love one can feel,
Σ

My posting isn't destructive. It's all constructive. Moronic mormons like arnox can't properly interpret what it is I'm actually saying/doing when I post. My content is constructive. My feedback is constructive. You have to read it properly. I explained this in depth on totse2. People don't want to deal with a fucktard like arnox running the show because he's incompetent and has no idea how to moderate anything. Look at the warning he issued me for "spam" as a prime example of why this forum will not last.

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« Reply #58 on: August 27, 2014, 07:45:01 pm »
This website is such a fucking joke.



Arnox gave me a warning for posting EXACTLY THE SAME THING he posted in my thread. When he does it it's ok. When someone else does it it's spam.

This is why the site is shit and dead.


This is the kind of attitude I'm finding here he has a wildly swinging scale based on how he feels on a personal level. He sets a very bad precedent and example of how to act on the site.

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« Reply #59 on: August 27, 2014, 09:10:18 pm »
Arnox, here is your issue:

1. You dismiss what certain users have to say about you and the site. Sure you may not wanna hear it but it is feedback. And evaluating that feedback is what will make you a good admin.
2. You don't even try to explain yourself. Sure they may not read it but posting an explanation is a hell of a lot better than just posting a one line comment stating your view.
3. You think that since you made this forum we should like you or all be buddies. Unfortunately the whole ideology totse and sites of that nature is antiauthoritarian. So simply by being in a position of power most of the users are not going to like you.
4. You allow yourself to get into flame wars with the users. A great example is in the link a user provided to a thread called "Real Salsa". Does it really matter how much BS a user posts as long as they post SOMETHING of value?

Alright then.

1. Believe it or not, I have thought about EVERY single thing that's been said about this site and about me. I have considered it all, even when it looks like I haven't. Having said that though,
2. I don't always state my reasons because as you said, I think it will fall on deaf ears, and then I'm just wasting my time. But if the people who actually listen do still want an explanation as well, I will give such from now on for them if anything else.
3. I expect people to judge me by my actions as an admin. If they don't like those, fine. But to not like me simply because I'm the current establishment... That's just flat out immature and retarded and I just can't say that I respect that exactly, you know? I do see what you're saying though.
4. See, I find that thread to be really funny because fanglekai singled out the joking part and completely ignored the other part where I gave him some praise for his contribution. Then he started getting very dramatic and butthurt. Now, should I have involved myself further in such? Debateable. Probably not. Either way though, I found the whole thing rather silly to say the least.

Arnox gave me a warning for posting EXACTLY THE SAME THING he posted in my thread. When he does it it's ok. When someone else does it it's spam.



You got a warning for posting the same exact thing twice in this thread, not for posting the same thing I did.


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