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[Lanny]

Type some stuff into the box

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[BallsDeep69]

 
^{Meow _{just go fuck yourselves}} 

[Rocklin]

Can't figure out what your thing does, Lanny.  I'm clicking the "Fuck DaGuru" button and nothing is happening!

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[BallsDeep69]

 
^{Meow _{just go fuck yourselves}} 

_Cooooooooool

[equanimity]

And Idio, here's a relevant post by Slave:

So you'd ignore a valid, userbase-selected, candidate purely on a matter of principle?

If someone's been a quality poster, I'll notice it. Or the staff will. Either one.

So too, presumably, will the userbase. And as you are well aware, the userbase would not have selected Equanimity. Drama aside, she is poster of very average quality. Which suggests the decision will not ultimately come down to a question of quality, but to whom you personally approve of. And you have already demonstrated a very stringent attitude towards people's character re: being modded, that is at odds with the attitudes of the userbase. From this disparity stems the drama which you find so tiresome. The political conclusion would be to allow the userbase to select, again, within reason, their own mods. If that mod fails and is removed, it is a failure of the userbase, not you. They would then have little ground on which to stand against you, if you replaced a failed user-mod with your selection.

Do you think this a fair and reasoned statement?

I've finally finished them. Now, keep in mind, these aren't the new rules YET. This is the time now to discuss them before we put them in for good.

but you got all mad cause we didn't want to use yours

You're darn right I was! I put a lot of work into that logo.

Besides that though, pretty much everyone in that thread said they didn't want a logo at all. Pretty clear to me what everyone wanted.

Why limit the discussion to the staff?

Because this is not a democracy.

And this is contradictory; you've demonstrated a willingness to both canvass peoples' opinions and abide by the will of the majority, yet state Sanctuary is not a democracy. Could you please clarify this? Is Sanctuary a part-time dictatorship, part-time democracy, or something else, specifically when it comes to selecting mods?

I'm not looking for a particular answer, only that the answer is consistent with your actions.

meow meow daguru if we admit that human live can be ruled by reason then all possibility of life is destroyed

idk lanny your thing doesn't work

[Umbrella Corp]

And not just in W&C, but much of the overall vibe/tone/pulse of this place.....we talk about crimes, drugs, anti-establishment, counter-culture, badassery of all sorts.....and to have HIM of all people as a moderator/leader for what this place stands for couldn't be any more backwards or out of place. Its like everyone going to a UFC event and expect a certain experience, and when the lights go out and the show starts, instead a ballet troop starts prancing around as the "entertainment". Its NOT what people came there for, and Zek does NOT fit in here.

This is a very good point IMO.  What I have noticed is that equanimity is very socially awkward, not catching on to the subtleties of conversation.  Like how earlier in the thread she talked about exchanging PMs with RisiR, "joking around".. I have no doubt she was joking, but I highly doubt that he was.  I see this all over the forums in almost every instance, INCLUDING RIGHT HERE.. Zek tries thinks people are joking around so she acts playful even tho they are being highly critical.  It's like she is autistic, missing a puzzle piece, misinterpreting(or underestimating) peoples hostilities.  This is an objective analysis.

I don't really have a problem with Zek.  Don't know much of her past, but other than what I mentioned she seems like the type of person I would get along with.

Still I tend to agree with DaGuru constantly on the subject of her moderating position.

Even to the end that now you've dug in your nails and can't really get rid of her until she pulls an obvious egregious abuse of power, lest you undermine your position to this point.

[DaGuru]

This is a very good point IMO.  What I have noticed is that equanimity is very socially awkward, not catching on to the subtleties of conversation.  Like how earlier in the thread she talked about exchanging PMs with RisiR, "joking around".. I have no doubt she was joking, but I highly doubt that he was.  I see this all over the forums in almost every instance, INCLUDING RIGHT HERE.. Zek tries thinks people are joking around so she acts playful even tho they are being highly critical.  It's like she is autistic, missing a puzzle piece, misinterpreting(or underestimating) peoples hostilities.  This is an objective analysis.

Exactly Umbrella, and its what I call "playing the stupid card".....because I honestly can't believe someone can be that clueless and socially unaware. He's doing it for attention, more trolling, more inane bullshit that has nothing to do with the topics of the threads we are on.

Maybe I'm wrong, maybe you do have a point he suffers from some kind of brain or personality disorder and really doesn't have any social awareness. Because of my own arrogance and great social observational skills in the world, I myself just can't imagine someone being THAT backwards/awkward. But still allowing for the fact you might be right, and Zek seriously just "cant help himself".

The point still stands though, whether its uncontrollable or calculated trolling....Zek ruins/taints/brings down this website (especially as a moderator). And perhaps the reason Arnox is so blind to this very obvious fact is maybe he too suffers some kind of social/emotional disorder where he really does think Zek's presence is appropriate for the subject matter and legitimately believes he will help "build" this place into something.

Sadly, only enough time will have to go by to witness an emptier userbase and even more irrelevant bullshit until Arnox finally gets slapped with the cold hard truth how so many people were right about Zek for so long.

[Spectre]

Idio, my problem with Zek is multi-layered, and I've been saying it so many times the last couple of months, I'm a bit surprised you still don't understand the issues.

First and foremost, he is CONSTANTLY trolling/derailing topics with his whacked out ideas and ruining the subject matter of the threads. Like the one I provided in W&C....LOTS of people want to talk about such things, but just because HE "doesn't find any use" in the information, now the thread has been completely ruined. As I said above, if he wanted to have some philosophical or political discussion promoting an anti-gun/non-violent mindset, there ARE other sections for that kind of discussion. But not on that thread.

Along with that, he has put serious attempt at changing the purpose and tone to several sections...and not just W&C. B&M is another great example....when he is constantly telling people to be "nicer" or "chill out"...or even admonishing posters for flaming "too efficiently". Its absurd and completely backwards.

Going to your "kittens" example.....yes, if someone wanted to make a thread about raising new kittens or some other aspect of cats, it would NOT be appropriate or productive to a thread if myself or anyone else started spewing bullshit about killing them or cooking them or anything else. Sure, if we sincerely wanted to do that...we could start our own thread maybe in BI or SG, but in Noah's Ark, that is NOT the proper place for it....because if you REALLY want a section to have serious and sincere conversations about animals, constantly trolling those threads talking about killing them will NOT maintain users that actually want to talk about them. Its crazy and backwards to think otherwise.

Imagine if I went into all the techy/computer forums, and ALL I ever said was something like...."ya know, you nerds need to go outside and try to get laid, live some life for once". And kept spewing that message again and again and again and again, at some point wouldn't it become toxic, annoying and just outright trolling nonsense?

Where it gets even worse now that Zek is a mod, is now he can't even be infracted...and has open license to do as he please. Its no secret that Zek was section banned in W&C at Zoklet, and rightfully so.....BECAUSE of his never-ending derailing bullshit. The mods and regs alike tired of the never-ending trolling and they finally did the right thing, they got rid of him permanently because like a rabid feral mongrel all they were doing was cleaning up his shit time and time again.

Then there is the whole aspect of him being a moderator, he is a bigger representative/leader in regard to the culture and purpose of what this place is about. And his outlook/ideology does NOT fit into the controversial subject matter that is often discussed. Its embarrassing is what it is. It would be like making Richard Simmons the leader of one of the chapters of a Crypt gang. This is NOT a touchy feely lovey dovey board, this isn't a forum intended for soccer moms, nuns, or emotionally fragile people. If we are sincerely ever going to try to "attract new users" having some wishy washy pansy ass, constantly prattling on about peace/love/non-violence is totally absurd. It makes people awkward and embarrassed just reading his cringe worthy tripe that goes completely AGAINST a lot of the subject matter. Seriously, WHO in their right mind that is legitimately interested or expert in anything regard to Weapons and Combat....will stay here for very long after finding a thread with such pointless and counter-discussion drivel?

And not just in W&C, but much of the overall vibe/tone/pulse of this place.....we talk about crimes, drugs, anti-establishment, counter-culture, badassery of all sorts.....and to have HIM of all people as a moderator/leader for what this place stands for couldn't be any more backwards or out of place. Its like everyone going to a UFC event and expect a certain experience, and when the lights go out and the show starts, instead a ballet troop starts prancing around as the "entertainment". Its NOT what people came there for, and Zek does NOT fit in here.

Dealing with Zek as a user is annoying enough, but with proper moderation he can eventually be infracted/banned/exiled which would only improve the place. But making him a mod and giving him that open license to derail and troll and taint the very culture and environment itself? Its just sending Sanctuary into an inevitable death spiral, and the fact Arnox is being this stubborn, stupid, and blind is only pushing it along that much faster.

^I agree with what is stated here

Idio I have gone on a big thing in the off topics post thread I believe about this very thing there are places to have opposing view points on topics there are many sections catering just to that pursuit. Daguru's tech example is a perfect example of why I won't post any of my gunsmith or improvised weapon knowledge here I wouldn't want my thread turning into that. Threads like that are not the appropriate place for political debate or HAVING A MODERATOR AND NOW ADMIN tell you you information is useless it's a joke and that's why people are pissed off.

[RisiR]

And not just in W&C, but much of the overall vibe/tone/pulse of this place.....we talk about crimes, drugs, anti-establishment, counter-culture, badassery of all sorts.....and to have HIM of all people as a moderator/leader for what this place stands for couldn't be any more backwards or out of place. Its like everyone going to a UFC event and expect a certain experience, and when the lights go out and the show starts, instead a ballet troop starts prancing around as the "entertainment". Its NOT what people came there for, and Zek does NOT fit in here.

This is a very good point IMO.  What I have noticed is that equanimity is very socially awkward, not catching on to the subtleties of conversation.  Like how earlier in the thread she talked about exchanging PMs with RisiR, "joking around".. I have no doubt she was joking, but I highly doubt that he was.  I see this all over the forums in almost every instance, INCLUDING RIGHT HERE.. Zek tries thinks people are joking around so she acts playful even tho they are being highly critical.  It's like she is autistic, missing a puzzle piece, misinterpreting(or underestimating) peoples hostilities.  This is an objective analysis.

I don't really have a problem with Zek.  Don't know much of her past, but other than what I mentioned she seems like the type of person I would get along with.

Still I tend to agree with DaGuru constantly on the subject of her moderating position.

Even to the end that now you've dug in your nails and can't really get rid of her until she pulls an obvious egregious abuse of power, lest you undermine your position to this point.

I was actually really joking around with him back then but then shit went south real quick when he changed the poll and my username.

[-SpectraL]

Sounds like Arnox needs to take an hour and sit down and actually go through each staff member's actions and posting histories. From here, I'm seeing a lot of frivolous edits of people's posts, a lot of pointless moves of threads, a lot of passive muscle-flexing, and none of it seems to have even hit Arnox's radar yet. The onus isn't on to the member base to police the staff's actions, it's the sole responsibility of the administration.

[equanimity]

This is an objective analysis.

You're great Umbrella, but this is simply not true.

Sounds like Arnox needs to take an hour and sit down and actually go through each staff member's actions and posting histories. From here, I'm seeing a lot of frivolous edits of people's posts, a lot of pointless moves of threads, a lot of passive muscle-flexing, and none of it seems to have even hit Arnox's radar yet. The onus isn't on to the member base to police the staff's actions, it's the sole responsibility of the administration.

I edited one poll, whose results were to determine my own username.  Not a lot of frivolous edits.  Even so, that was a mistake you guys should know about.

^I agree with what is stated here

Idio I have gone on a big thing in the off topics post thread I believe about this very thing there are places to have opposing view points on topics there are many sections catering just to that pursuit. Daguru's tech example is a perfect example of why I won't post any of my gunsmith or improvised weapon knowledge here I wouldn't want my thread turning into that. Threads like that are not the appropriate place for political debate or HAVING A MODERATOR AND NOW ADMIN tell you you information is useless it's a joke and that's why people are pissed off.

Everyone else seems to manage their technical discussions in W&C, in spite of my presence.  Why don't you try it and see what happens?  You might be pleasantly surprised

[-SpectraL]

Wasn't referring to you, equanimity.

[equanimity]

Apologies, SpectraL