So you wanna act like a grown man, huh?!?!

[-SpectraL]

my dad beat me with a steel chair and now I'm a piece of shit. argument diffused

You were going to be a piece of shit whether your dad beat you or not. You're just a part of the determined minority that is intent on self abandonment. You won't quit until you've totally destroyed yourself, and most likely others in the process. You're a hard case.

[equanimity]

When I was little and I did something wrong my father would hit me.    I turned out better then other kids and I know what's right and what's wrong because my father brought me up like his father (my grandfather) did.

I think todays youth lack respect and knowledge because the parents in their life never took the appropriate actions because for what schools and the media chooses to portray as "Proper" parenting.

Hitting your kids isn't "wrong", but there are other disciplinary methods that work just as well.  It's possible to be an authoritative parent without hitting your children, though my friends that were hit did turn out well for the most part.

[-SpectraL]

Hit kids. Beat them. Make them cry. It's the only workable answer.

[Slave of the Beast]

Violence is a precision tool and should only be wielded in the correct circumstances. Using it as a norm indicates a chronic lack of authority as a parent.

As for the father/son in the OP... 'dat nigga' in the chair getting his head shaved will one day become a man, and will be a man when his father is old and infirm. Then there will be a reckoning for the father or an abandonment and he will be left to rot alone and uncared for, unless he's lucky.

[-SpectraL]

Personally, I'd rather get a good beating than turn out looking like Sherman Hemsley.

[mmmmmmmQuestions]

my dad beat me with a steel chair and now I'm a piece of shit. argument diffused

You were going to be a piece of shit whether your dad beat you or not. You're just a part of the determined minority that is intent on self abandonment. You won't quit until you've totally destroyed yourself, and most likely others in the process. You're a hard case.

Are you saying I didn't/don't have a choice in the matter? My brain is the only one I have, you know? I guess to suggest that beating me up wouldn't have had a positive effect on me either way, would also seem to suggest that we are mostly hardwired from the get-go and any attempts at discipline, regardless of the nature, will only have a minimal impact on our overall upbringing and eventual personality, lifestyle, etc. I'm sure there's no lack of evidence either way to ensure that discipline, be it physical, emotional, verbal, or non-existent, ultimately results in a myriad of types of people who fall into each and every category possible... physically abused - grew up to make all the honor rolls and graduated with honors, becomes successful, etc. or physically abused - grew up to get into drugs and other heathen activities and pissed life away, or physically abused - grew up to finish H.S. and work a shitty construction job for many years, 2 divorces and a few assault charges. .... and so on and so forth.


I know you know what I'm saying. Perhaps you could reveal a statistic that correlates hitting your child and eventual success. I would tend to think that it wouldn't do much more than make the kid hate authority, or absolutely respect it. Both are scary but the latter is far scarier. You have a kid who believes everything he hears and is afraid to question things. No bueno. 

[Slave of the Beast]

Personally, I'd rather get a good beating than turn out looking like Sherman Hemsley.

Oh I agree, I'm certain the kid would too. Look at his eyes. That's a cold hate, the kind that can burn beneath the surface for 40 years. Until its time to select which old peoples' home your father is going to be sent to...

[Nigger Nostrils]

Personally, I'd rather get a good beating than turn out looking like Sherman Hemsley.

Oh I agree, I'm certain the kid would too. Look at his eyes. That's a cold hate, the kind that can burn beneath the surface for 40 years. Until its time to select which old peoples' home your father is going to be sent to...

To be fair, pretty much all niggers have those cold dead eyes.

[Rocklin]

Hitting your kids isn't "wrong", but there are other disciplinary methods that work just as well.  It's possible to be an authoritative parent without hitting your children, though my friends that were hit did turn out well for the most part.

haha I remember getting Pimp slapped because I took a sip of my dads beer when I was 6.   tell me if that's appropriate or not?.

[Lanny]

It doesn't seem appropriate, a sip of beer isn't going to kill a child nor is it worth hitting anyone over.

What does hitting a kid teach? Don't do something because it could lead to you getting hurt? That's not teaching ethics, that's teaching selfishness. It's dumb anyway because most kids will be physically stronger than their parents before they leave home. What happens when your kid starts hitting you? Are they teaching you a lesson now?

[-SpectraL]

.. most kids will be physically stronger than their parents before they leave home. What happens when your kid starts hitting you? Are they teaching you a lesson now?

Then you just start using a baseball bat on them.

[equanimity]

haha I remember getting Pimp slapped because I took a sip of my dads beer when I was 6.   tell me if that's appropriate or not?.

No, not appropriate imo...

Kids are naturally curious, and "pimp slaps" fucking hurt lol

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[constantinople]

If you have to physically dominate a child through violence in order to assert your authority you are probably a very ignorant, and generally dumb person.


"Violence is the last refuge of the incompetent." - Isaac Asimov

[mmmmmmmQuestions]

does spectral always pontificate and disregard others' opinions and questions regarding the topic at hand?

[Slave of the Beast]

They're only a few instances I can think of, off hand, where I'd consider using force. This would include doing something very dangerous when they've been told not to e.g. running into the road. Some children simply are too young to be reasoned with meaningfully; a slap on the arse is the most effective way of communicating that running into the road is very bad. I'd also include the child using violence against others as reason for a slap on the arse. The purpose in both instances is to ensure the child knows that physical actions can have serious physical consequences. Force is not required, unexpected physical shock is what is important; physically bruising your child is abusive, not instructive.

You can always wait for them to figure it out for themselves, but I'd rather my kid didn't get killed in the process of learning that running into the road without looking is an exceptionally stupid idea.