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Re: my depression and how can you help
« Reply #15 on: October 14, 2014, 01:39:40 am »
About the wellbutrin its a stimulant also, NDRI like ritalin but its not as addictive and its really good, I took one right whem I saw this thread, cause I ran out of focalin and im using it until I get my refill. Ive talked to alot of people that said its very good. Makes cigarettes taste like shit becsuse its nicotinic antagonistic but chew still is aight.
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Re: my depression and how can you help
« Reply #16 on: October 14, 2014, 01:47:05 am »
Exercise. You don't have to commit to a gym and a workout schedule, I know that would intimidate me in a depressive episode. If you live not-too-far but also not-too-close, bike to work. I've been doing it while my car has been in the shop. Just three miles there, three back and I feel great during the day. I've saved a lot on gasoline, too.

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Re: my depression and how can you help
« Reply #17 on: October 14, 2014, 01:56:24 am »
What do you suppose wellbutrin will do for me? Similar to the ssri or no? What's the main difference?
SNDRI = dopamine and norepinephrine reuptake inhibition, which means more focus along with lifted depression. It's like an SSRI with a hint of adderall.

It's what allows you to break the funk and start making those health & dietary changes to actually fix yourself like everyone else is talking about.
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Re: my depression and how can you help
« Reply #18 on: October 14, 2014, 03:57:06 am »
mmmmq I was first prescribed abilify which didn't really help

but I was going through something else, psychosis so it's a bit different.

I saw someone mention Lamotragine which might help stable your mood a little bit.


What's your drug use like?  You use a lot of drugs or alcohol?
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Re: my depression and how can you help
« Reply #19 on: October 14, 2014, 04:05:21 am »
mmmmq I was first prescribed abilify which didn't really help

but I was going through something else, psychosis so it's a bit different.

I saw someone mention Lamotragine which might help stable your mood a little bit.


What's your drug use like?  You use a lot of drugs or alcohol?


I was wondering why nobody had asked that yet, or why I failed to mention in it in the first place. I smoke weed daily, although not very much (0.5g). I started drinking about 3 or 4 months ago, after a 2.5 year hiatus, which I've decreased to roughly 2 or 3 times a week. I smoke about a pack of cigs a day as well. During my stretch of sobriety, I experienced a bit of normalcy, followed by my sudden spike in depression about a year ago, and then the resulting 'manic state' or happiness that I experiences, followed by the decrease again in my mental state. I just got to the point where being depressed and drinking was enough of an attraction than just being depressed as fuck. I'm sure it hasn't helped, and I'm soon to quit again, but as long as I feel this shitty overall, it's hard for me to give up those temporary moments of reprieve that I get with weed or booze.

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Re: my depression and how can you help
« Reply #20 on: October 14, 2014, 04:11:12 am »
You're the slow motion version of this, amirite?:



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Re: my depression and how can you help
« Reply #21 on: October 14, 2014, 04:14:41 am »
the world has been feeling funny lately and I've been acting an ass so I feel you, maybe there's been a paradigm shift and WEOENO it.

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Re: my depression and how can you help
« Reply #22 on: October 14, 2014, 04:19:01 am »
could be fairly accurate if it took place over the last year, except I don't feel like I'm melanchollically depressed or whatever. Currently my mood and energy levels are consistently low and my intellect I'd consider to feel average, if not slightly below. Knowing that I'm by no means an idiot, it is certainly frustrating to seemingly be denied access to the properties of my brain that allow me to express myself better or demonstrate more cognitive and consistent patterns of thoughts. As it stands, I feel like I have nothing to talk about and my creative process is next to nothing. I cannot fucking stand it. I try to force myself out of it, but it takes a lot of energy; an unusual amount that I don't fucking have right now. blech

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Re: my depression and how can you help
« Reply #23 on: October 14, 2014, 08:39:06 am »
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Re: my depression and how can you help
« Reply #24 on: October 15, 2014, 03:50:26 am »
I'm assuming that means $0.35. And I guess I usually do eat the same thing but it's almost always 'unhealthy.' Ideally I'd like be able to wake up earlier in the day and at least eat some form of breakfast/lunch, and then eat one time later on. From everything I've ever heard though, it's never really a good idea to eat a meal before you go to bed, right? I'd imagine I could adjust as my body gets used to it, it's just another one of those things that seemingly difficult for me to get the ball rolling on, although to be fair I haven't even tried yet. If you stress it's importance that much, I guess it wouldn't hurt to at least make it a goal to focus on that while I try to figure out what else I can do, and what this psychiatrist will end up saying/doing. So what do you suggest? And by the way thank you for your responses thus far.

I'm not sure if you're talking to me or Zanick, but we could both probably offer some advice in this vein.  Hmm never sure how to format these posts...

For me, I experience a drastic change in mood when I eat well.  It's really difficult to stay with though, and currently I'm back to being a junkfood vegetarian (and yeah pretty depressed atm).  To start, this was my diet when I was kicking ass at life:

Locally sourced organic, blah blah eggs.  From the type of place that is run by a sweet old couple who invite people over to check out the living conditions of their hens.  I ate 4 dozen every single week, which came out to $20/week.  It's unfortunately getting into the cold months now so these will be harder to find, but check craigslist and http://www.localharvest.org/

If you can't find fancy eggs like that, store bought is still a much better option than junk food.  Pastured and organic are good words to look for, but they don't always mean what they should.

Various organic vegetables.  It's getting cold again so the options are somewhat limited, but I was regularly eating tons of zucchini, carrots, yellow squash, bell peppers, kale and other leafy greens, onions, and tons of other things.  Do you have a fancy hippy grocery store?  That's where I do all my shopping (not counting farmer's markets and local farms) when I'm eating well, and while it is more expensive they had regular sales of food on the verge of going bad that evened things out a bit.  Like they'd put various combinations of food in plastic bags and sell each one for $1 and I'd buy them all and eat them asap.  Same with bananas they got down to where you could buy 6 lovely organic bananas for like $1.

Again, here you can go the cheaper route if you must and get non-organic and/or frozen.  Stuff your face with veggies every meal, always.

Various organic fruits.  Here you're going to be very limited in the cold months, especially if you're poor.  Bananas and apples are pretty much all I buy until it starts to warm up.  Not as important as vegetables imo, but still good for you.  Bananas are super cheap, and you should be able to afford organic.

Healthy starches (yeah a weird list.  did not think this out).  Bananas, all kinds of potatoes, rice.  Rice is also a grain and grains are generally bad but rice is mostly benign as far as I can tell.  I don't eat it at all anymore unless eating out, because it results in insulin spike and that makes for a sleepy me.

Legumes and stuff.  Various beans, lentils, whatever.  If you eat these it's recommended you soak and sprout them properly; I only included them because vegetarian.  Generally high in antinutrients but no food is perfect.

Quality dairy.  Plain organic, grassfed butter ( http://kerrygoldusa.com/products/butter/unsalted-butter/ ); plain organic, grassfed kefir; plain organic, grassfed greek yogurt; sometimes quality organic cheese.  Goat's cheese is best if you're like me and have some digestive issues with dairy.

Other quality fats, mostly used in cooking.  Organic coconut oil, organic olive oil.

Sweeteners: only organic honey, and never too much.

Those are basically the only foods I ate.  I could get more into the whys if you'd like, but this is already so long.  Just lemme know.

Foods to avoid: anything processed, anything with added sugars, grains, most starches, foods high in polyunsaturated fatty acids (like peanut butter), artificial sweeteners.

Since you probably eat meat, consider purchasing some of this: http://www.amazon.com/Collagen-Hydrolysate-beef-kosher-unflavored/dp/B005KG7EDU/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1413348229&sr=8-1&keywords=great+lakes+gelatin+collagen

and eating it regularly.  My friend makes kefir smoothies with tons of that^, kefir and frozen bananas.  Highly recommended, excellent source of quality protein.  When buying non-organic, non-grassfed etc. meat always go with the leanest cuts possible.  The fat itself isn't bad, but that's where the nasty antibiotics, hormones and stuff end up.  Seafood should be fine.  Don't worry about mercury content if you're poor imo.  One of the healthiest cheap things you can buy is canned sardines.

If you can, track your nutrient intake.  It can be a bitch when you're depressed I know.  Here's a thing: https://cronometer.com/

At least try to track your protein intake.  Meals should be based around protein first and foremost, and always accompanied by yummy plant matter.


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Re: my depression and how can you help
« Reply #25 on: October 15, 2014, 04:00:22 am »
That's depression for you :(

Really try to capitalize on those moments when you feel you CAN do something.  Start there.  If you want to talk diet I have tons of advice, but it means cooking and buying quality foods as you eliminate the bad stuff.  Diet is a huge deal when it comes to depression.  usually.

The psychiatrist will likely not even listen to your problems much at all.  Expect a 15 minute appointment.  Some psychiatrists do the whole therapy thing, but that is very very rare these days.


what would the daily expenses of your particular diet amount to, roughly? I can't really afford pricey organic foods or things of that nature. Ideally I'd like to be able to maintain a diet that costs me like 5 dollars a day. As it stands, and which you'll clearly connect to part of my depression, I eat generally once a day and that's at 3 in the morning, usually a while after a get home from work and shortly before I go to bed. Then I sleep all day and just do nothing or go to work where I don't have much time to eat and I'm generally not hungry anyway.

Eating once daily is a form of intermittent fasting, and can actually be a good thing for overall health.  If you're willing to eat the same meal day in and day out you can make it work on $35 a day.  Would be mostly vegetarian, because meat worth eating is pretty expensive :/

35 fucking dollars a day for food? Bro I could be high for two days on that much money
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« Reply #26 on: October 15, 2014, 04:00:55 am »
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« Reply #27 on: October 15, 2014, 04:04:48 am »
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Oh that's more reasonable.


There was a thread on zoklet about sprouted lentils being one of the cheapest sources of complex proteins available. This dude said he would sprout a shitload and blend them into a goopy bean smoothy and chug it for utilities sake, and also because lentils suck.

Pretty barbarian but if you want good proteins for super cheap...
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Re: my depression and how can you help
« Reply #28 on: October 15, 2014, 04:11:21 am »
I ate a half head of cauliflower last night and I feel pretty good about it. That was my way of symbolically turning over a new leaf and eating healthier. I haven't had anything to eat since then and I'm feeling pretty fucking weak right now, not to mention light headed and nauseous. Other than that though, we're on a new ship moving into new terrain and sounding the old fog horn mightily. 

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« Reply #29 on: October 15, 2014, 04:23:34 am »
Yes, sprouts are a legitimate superfood.  Sprouts save lives.

http://www.beyondveg.com/billings-t/bio/billings-t-bio-1a.shtml

I ate a half head of cauliflower last night and I feel pretty good about it. That was my way of symbolically turning over a new leaf and eating healthier. I haven't had anything to eat since then and I'm feeling pretty fucking weak right now, not to mention light headed and nauseous. Other than that though, we're on a new ship moving into new terrain and sounding the old fog horn mightily. 

You really should try tracking your protein, and working on getting to a healthy level every single day.  Make 65g a daily goal.


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