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Re: Wikihow to clear a building w a firearm
« Reply #15 on: September 27, 2014, 02:38:40 pm »
But tools are powerful in how they affect us psychologically.  Even bandsaws.

And in this case?  It's teaching yourself how to avoid being murdered by other people, and how best to murder them yourself.  How can you say that doesn't exacerbate feelings of mistrust and lower your faith in the goodness found in other people?

We're just going in circles now, cats.

"It's just a tool!"

"Yeah but tools really affect us.  Maybe it's not something we usually think about, but it happens constantly."

"It's just a tool!"

"Yeah but..."

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Me and my guns have never murdered anyone, and I doubt they and I ever will. 

You were born with fleshy appendages on the end of your arms, complete with phalanges that you can curl into a dense mass and strike other living things with it.  Is being born with natural means to harm opponents just a way to 'exacerbate feelings of mistrust and lower your faith in the goodness found in other people?'  What about cats and their claws, alligators and their teeth?  Is it more likely that we were given natural and created weapons to foment violence and evil in this world, or that god gave us 'tools' to facilitate our existence and create the society and life that we have now? 

Reality works counterintuitively...one would think that a world where everyone works as one and we all are peaceful, would be the best way, but it is not.  Our world is one where competition and striving are the order of the day.  This 'survival of the fittest' type of mechanism ensures that the ones who rise to the top are the stronger or more determined among us, and their talents and strengths can contribute to our world in the best way.  Do you really want mr or ms. average running the show?  No, you want the best, and competition does this very nicely.

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Re: Wikihow to clear a building w a firearm
« Reply #16 on: September 27, 2014, 02:53:45 pm »
Me and my guns have never murdered anyone, and I doubt they and I ever will.

You were born with fleshy appendages on the end of your arms, complete with phalanges that you can curl into a dense mass and strike other living things with it.  Is being born with natural means to harm opponents just a way to 'exacerbate feelings of mistrust and lower your faith in the goodness found in other people?'  What about cats and their claws, alligators and their teeth?  Is it more likely that we were given natural and created weapons to foment violence and evil in this world, or that god gave us 'tools' to facilitate our existence and create the society and life that we have now? 

Reality works counterintuitively...one would think that a world where everyone works as one and we all are peaceful, would be the best way, but it is not.  Our world is one where competition and striving are the order of the day.  This 'survival of the fittest' type of mechanism ensures that the ones who rise to the top are the stronger or more determined among us, and their talents and strengths can contribute to our world in the best way.  Do you really want mr or ms. average running the show?  No, you want the best, and competition does this very nicely.

Keep your hand clenched tightly into a fist for 60 seconds.  Then spend 60 seconds with it held open gently.

Notice a difference?

And that's not how "survival of the fittest" always works :P

Male rhinoceros beetles compete with each other for mating rights by ramming one another with their "horns".  They see another male and they fight him in this way, and oftentimes the winner does get to mate.  But there are many smaller, "weaker" males that get to mate without ever being at risk for fighting.  They look like female rhinoceros beetles, and the other males ignore them while they're busy being macho and mean, giving them ample opportunity to mate to their heart's content.

This can definitely be seen as just another example of competition, but my point is that even within a competitive system the values aren't always blargh violence death strength!  Peacefulness, community and compassion are never weaknesses.  They're beautiful strengths ;)


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Re: Wikihow to clear a building w a firearm
« Reply #17 on: September 27, 2014, 02:56:52 pm »
Peacefulness, community and compassion are never weaknesses.  They're beautiful strengths ;)

Sometimes I think that you are an open minded person who I can debate with...and other times I feel that debating with you is like trying to bail out the great lakes with a teaspoon.
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Re: Wikihow to clear a building w a firearm
« Reply #18 on: September 27, 2014, 03:00:12 pm »
Peacefulness, community and compassion are never weaknesses.  They're beautiful strengths ;)

Sometimes I think that you are an open minded person who I can debate with...and other times I feel that debating with you is like trying to bail out the great lakes with a teaspoon.

Sometimes I think you're a person with whom I can have interesting conversations.  And other times you get frustrated and quit trying :P
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Re: Wikihow to clear a building w a firearm
« Reply #19 on: September 27, 2014, 03:01:22 pm »
Sometimes I think you're a person with whom I can have interesting conversations with.  And other times you get frustrated and quit trying :P

So true. 
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Re: Wikihow to clear a building w a firearm
« Reply #20 on: September 27, 2014, 03:07:20 pm »
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Re: Wikihow to clear a building w a firearm
« Reply #21 on: September 27, 2014, 03:19:38 pm »
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Re: Wikihow to clear a building w a firearm
« Reply #23 on: September 27, 2014, 03:30:04 pm »
No amount of property is worth killing someone over.

It is not about an 'amount' of property, it is about a persons right to be safe in their own 'home' or dwelling.  If someone breaches the sanctity of another man's 'castle',  then I believe that deadly force is justified.  You have to assume that an intruder is not in your home to bake you a cake. 

Check out this guy, he didn't break into peoples houses to steal shit, he broke into peoples' houses to murder them.

http://murderpedia.org/male.C/c/chase-richard.htm

He would basically rush into a house and immediately shoot/stab everyone he saw.  How do you protect against something like this, if you are unarmed?
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Re: Wikihow to clear a building w a firearm
« Reply #24 on: September 27, 2014, 04:21:49 pm »
It is not about an 'amount' of property, it is about a persons right to be safe in their own 'home' or dwelling.  If someone breaches the sanctity of another man's 'castle',  then I believe that deadly force is justified.  You have to assume that an intruder is not in your home to bake you a cake.

These cases would be best handled by a jury, imo.  If an intruder was unarmed and had done nothing to hurt you or another person in your household, then I feel you should probably be charged with manslaughter at least.  Each case is different though, thus the jury.

Your personal sense of safety isn't worth anyone's life.

Check out this guy, he didn't break into peoples houses to steal shit, he broke into peoples' houses to murder them.

http://murderpedia.org/male.C/c/chase-richard.htm

He would basically rush into a house and immediately shoot/stab everyone he saw.  How do you protect against something like this, if you are unarmed?

If a man with a gun enters your home and you kill him then hopefully you're let off without any charges once you've been to court.  Thankfully, this sort of thing almost never happens.  Maybe if you're living in a ghetto or similar it might make sense to worry about this sort of thing, but even living in a poor area as I have often this sort of thing just never happened.  The only people I've known of in my area that were murdered were shot by police or killed by a disgruntled family member (with guns they own lawfully and keep in the home).

You do have the right to protect yourself.  And you definitely should have that right.  These things do happen, if rarely.  I'm not saying you shouldn't be allowed to keep guns in your homes or use them when faced with armed individuals.  That's a little too extreme.

What I'm saying is that it doesn't make sense to me why a person living in areas like mine would even want to do that.  Spending money and harming oneself psychologically in preparation of something that will never come.  Being fearful of the highly improbable.  Increasing the risk that you or someone close to you will be accidentally injured.  Increasing the chance that a family member will commit suicide.  Those things happen more frequently than violent people enter homes with murderous intent.

We'll just have to agree to disagree.  I'm not trying to take your guns away or anything, I simply have no interest in owning one myself.  And I bet I'm never murdered in my home.


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Re: Wikihow to clear a building w a firearm
« Reply #25 on: September 27, 2014, 04:40:01 pm »
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Re: Wikihow to clear a building w a firearm
« Reply #26 on: September 27, 2014, 05:13:31 pm »
harming oneself psychologically

This is just your opinion, I rarely even think about my firearms unless they need cleaned or moved or something.

And I bet I'm never murdered in my home.

You will never get polio either, but I bet you still got vaccinated against it, didn't you? 
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Re: Wikihow to clear a building w a firearm
« Reply #27 on: September 27, 2014, 05:37:11 pm »
harming oneself psychologically

This is just your opinion, I rarely even think about my firearms unless they need cleaned or moved or something.

And I bet I'm never murdered in my home.

You will never get polio either, but I bet you still got vaccinated against it, didn't you?
Mike, 80% of the people on this board were born after Polio stopped being a thing.
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Re: Wikihow to clear a building w a firearm
« Reply #28 on: September 27, 2014, 06:05:30 pm »
Polio stopped being a thing?

I am old.  FML
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Re: Wikihow to clear a building w a firearm
« Reply #29 on: September 27, 2014, 06:48:08 pm »
We still like you.  :tup:
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