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Offline Goats

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Incapacitation
« on: September 12, 2014, 04:46:48 pm »
Shooting to incapacitate:

Knees
Hips


Spine (cripple) - this can be done by shooting in the mouth, middle of stomach or spine, works best with soft point cored rounds, as the soft part will fragment and the core will punch through, giving you the highest likelihood of hitting the spine. Rib cage can cause deflections or lack of penetration.

Shooting to kill does not guarantee the person is still not a lethal threat until they die. Shoot someone in the heart and they can still kill you for a significant amount of time.

Knife:

Spine/back of neck

Tendons/ligaments

Arteries/heart will not guarantee your safety ESPECIALLY in hand to hand.

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Re: Incapacitation
« Reply #1 on: September 13, 2014, 01:49:42 pm »
you get an 'a' for effort but if this were a graded paper there would be red notations from the instructor all over the place

this applies to a pistol round being shot.  a rifle round would be a different situation
- shoot in the mouth is not a good access to the spine.  the brain pan would be a better target
- middle of stomach has a lot of real estate for a bullet to travel through, and lose energy, before it hits the spine
- pertaining to the spine...if by 'soft point cored rounds' presumably you mean hollow points.  'the soft part' must mean the lead however pistol bullets that fragment generally do so in a manner that prevents deeper penetration and the core is soft lead which has a very, very difficult time damaging a bone as sturdy as the spine after losing all its energy. the same applies to the hips. when a bullet expands it loses its ability to penetrate as deeply as it would if it hadnt expanded.  if a large bone, such as the spine, is the intended target a FMJ non-expanding round would be ideal.  this is the catch-22 for hollow point bullets...if they expand they dont penetrate as deeply but if they dont expand and penetrate deeply, they dont cause as much damage (potentially) as they would had they expanded. it is generally accepted that a better option is for a bullet to expand somewhere in the soft tissue of the center-of-mass than to use a FMJ and hope for a hit on a major bone.

- pertaining to a knife...causing damage to a major bone, such as the spine, is difficult especially for untrained individuals.  knives have been known to snap when impacting heavy bone and even the strongest blade wont do anything other than cause a nick when wielded by someone that doesnt poses the strength to properly use it.

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Re: Incapacitation
« Reply #2 on: September 13, 2014, 09:11:44 pm »
There is much anecdotal evidence that a shot to the pelvis drops people instantly more often than torso shots, giving enough time to shoot until the threat is definitively stopped.

A blunt weapon is more effective than a edge. It's much easier to simply break bone with every full swing than to have surgical precision and most improvised or purposed clubs/batons/axes/maces have a longer reach than a knife. The quickest kill with a blade or point is to stab and scramble the brain stem.

The trachea is vulnerable to unarmed attack and even if the trachea does not collapse, the threat will be stunned more than from a punch missing the jaw. A kick to the knee is also more effective than flailing fists in the threat's cardinal direction. Do not attempt to grapple beyond a simple takedown, throw, or joint lock while standing unless already grounded.


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Re: Incapacitation
« Reply #3 on: September 13, 2014, 09:21:56 pm »
yeah I read a paladin pdf when I was a kid too