The New Rules (Currently in Beta)

[Infinityshock]

I have seen a lot of bitching about the rules in this thread but I have seen no legitimate points from any of you as to how the below set of rules can be used by the moderation and admin team against the userbase.

Just tell us why these rules dont jive. As far as I can see they minimally infringe in your freedom of speech in order to keep the site on solid legal ground. Other rules protect the site from defacement and malicious users. All of the warning offences are designed in a way that unless you are making the decision to be an asshole you have no worries.


What isnt tolerated and results in a Ban:
1. Flooding/Spamming
2. Child Porn
3. Bestiality
4. Posting personal information without consent of all parties involved
5. Advertising your own site, service or product without talking to site administration
6. Breaking into, attempting to deface or posting links to malware or harmful software on this site
7. Ban evasion

What isnt tolerated and results in a Warning:
1. Blatant derailment of a thread
2. Perpetually harassing other users
3. Illegible or incoherent posts
4. Phony post reports

Essentially I am asking you, the users, to pick apart everything on my ban and warning list and tell my why its unreasonable.

Protip: you cant

its not the rules that are the issue.  its the selective enforcement of them and the lack of consistency.  that...and their interpretation.  or more accurately, misinterpretation

[Not An Alt]

_{Once upon a midnight dreary, while ^{I pondered, weak and weary, Over many a quaint and curious volume of forgotten lore— While I nodded, nearly napping, suddenly there came a tapping, As of some one gently rapping, rapping at my chamber door. “’Tis some visitor,” I muttered, “tapping at my chamber door— Only this and nothing more.” Ah, distinctly I remember it was in the bleak December; And each separate dying ember wrought its ghost upon the floor. Eagerly I wished the morrow;—vainly I had sought to borrow From my books surcease of sorrow—sorrow for the lost Lenore— For the rare and radiant maiden whom the angels name Lenore— Nameless here for evermore. And the silken, sad, uncertain rustling of each purple curtain Thrilled me—filled me with fantastic terrors never felt before; So that now, to still the beating of my heart, I stood repeating “’Tis some visitor entreating entrance at my chamber door— Some late visitor entreating entrance at my chamber door;— This it is and nothing more.” Presently my soul grew stronger; hesitating then no longer, “Sir,” said I, “or Madam, truly your forgiveness I implore; But the fact is I was napping, and so gently you came rapping, And so faintly you came tapping, tapping at my chamber door, That I scarce was sure I heard you”—here I opened wide the door;— Darkness there and nothing more. Deep into that darkness peering, long I stood there wondering, fearing, Doubting, dreaming dreams no mortal ever dared to dream before; But the silence was unbroken, and the stillness gave no token, And the only word there spoken was the whispered word, “Lenore?” This I whispered, and an echo murmured back the word, “Lenore!”— Merely this and nothing more. Back into the chamber turning, all my soul within me burning, Soon again I heard a tapping somewhat louder than before. “Surely,” said I, “surely that is something at my window lattice; Let me see, then, what thereat is, and this mystery explore— Let my heart be still a moment and this mystery explore;— ’Tis the wind and nothing more!” Open here I flung the shutter, when, with many a flirt and flutter, In there stepped a stately Raven of the saintly days of yore; Not the least obeisance made he; not a minute stopped or stayed he; But, with mien of lord or lady, perched above my chamber door— Perched upon a bust of Pallas just above my chamber door— Perched, and sat, and nothing more. Then this ebony bird beguiling my sad fancy into smiling, By the grave and stern decorum of the countenance it wore, “Though thy crest be shorn and shaven, thou,” I said, “art sure no craven, Ghastly grim and ancient Raven wandering from the Nightly shore— Tell me what thy lordly name is on the Night’s Plutonian shore!” Quoth the Raven “Nevermore.” Much I marvelled this ungainly fowl to hear discourse so plainly, Though its answer little meaning—little relevancy bore; For we cannot help agreeing that no living human being Ever yet was blessed with seeing bird above his chamber door— Bird or beast upon the sculptured bust above his chamber door, With such name as “Nevermore.” But the Raven, sitting lonely on the placid bust, spoke only That one word, as if his soul in that one word he did outpour. Nothing farther then he uttered—not a feather then he fluttered— Till I scarcely more than muttered “Other friends pallid bust of Pallas just above my chamber door; And his eyes have all the seeming of a demon’s that is dreaming, And the lamp-light o’er him streaming throws his shadow}} 

How you manage to avoid getting infracted for this shite I do not know.

if Sploo or bling would do sort of stuff in every thread they would get banned and the function would be taken away like it did with Constantinople and font sizes.

Double standards all over the place.

1. Flooding/Spamming

1. Blatant derailment of a thread
2. Perpetually harassing other users
3. Illegible or incoherent posts

So there are no rules you can pick out that have been or could easily be subject to abuse?


Interesting...

I made my post because I legit cannot see where the problem is with any rules. When you say that each one of the rules could be used by a moderator with a grudge I dont see it. I truly dont. Maybe you can help me see it.

[Infinityshock]

So there are no rules you can pick out that have been or could easily be subject to abuse?


Interesting...

I made my post because I legit cannot see where the problem is with any rules. When you say that each one of the rules could be used by a moderator with a grudge I dont see it. I truly dont. Maybe you can help me see it.

youre blind as a fucking bat named helen keller

reference the incident with the former mod 'street crap' a few months ago

HNIC does it on a regular basis

[Σ]

So essentially all the offences that dont end in a ban you have a problem with?

Lets be realistic here. I understand the fear of abuse by authority. This makes sense to me. But as the authority on this site we need some utilities to work with. The utilities we have are the rules we set in place. It is necessary for us as a website to say what will and will not be tolerated and behavior is a factor in that. So by having a code of conduct we are allowed to observe which users may be problem users. *SOUND THA ALARMZ!* Yes I just used the term problem users. But let me define a problem user before anyone starts screaming up a ruckus.

Problem users are users who have demonstrated that their intent is to go beyond saying their piece and systematically posting in a way that affects a majority of other users. Examples of this kind of posting would be spamming, harassment, constant incoherent and/or nonsensically illegible posts, derailing threads and ban evasion. While some users may just be rowdy there is a difference between them and the problem users. The problem users have progressed to to exhibiting the aforementioned behavior on a constant basis. And I want to make it clear that problem users are not shit posters. I would think its safe to say the majority of users enjoy this site because of the atmosphere. The idea that you can say whatever the fuck you want and you don't care what anyone else says is a core tenant of this site and that atmosphere. When problem posters enter the picture that atmosphere evaporates. What is left could be described as a party that was ruined by one autistic kid whose screaming just wouldn't stop.

We can talk about petty grudges between mods and users but I haven't seen any mods actually having a grudge with individual users. I have seen many users that scream and cry about this mod or that admin but it is always crtitically. Its "you implemented a thanks system and still couldnt get it right?" its "Oh lol this site aint goin nowhere!" and its "lol arnox ur team is dum!". It hasnt been anything like "Hey my acct got deleted by a rouge mod!" Its not "Hey my PI has been leaked by the mod team!" its never anything serious but it is always incredibly crititical.

And that's okay. We can take critical. We can handle that scream autistic child at the centre of the room. Maybe after poking it with a stick a couple times but in the end wont let some screaming autist ruin our good time. 

[-SpectraL]

The topic is favoritism. Please do not muddy the issue. Thank you.

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[DaGuru]

So essentially all the offences that dont end in a ban you have a problem with?

Lets be realistic here. I understand the fear of abuse by authority. This makes sense to me. But as the authority on this site we need some utilities to work with. The utilities we have are the rules we set in place. It is necessary for us as a website to say what will and will not be tolerated and behavior is a factor in that. So by having a code of conduct we are allowed to observe which users may be problem users. *SOUND THA ALARMZ!* Yes I just used the term problem users. But let me define a problem user before anyone starts screaming up a ruckus.

Problem users are users who have demonstrated that their intent is to go beyond saying their piece and systematically posting in a way that affects a majority of other users. Examples of this kind of posting would be spamming, harassment, constant incoherent and/or nonsensically illegible posts, derailing threads and ban evasion. While some users may just be rowdy there is a difference between them and the problem users. The problem users have progressed to to exhibiting the aforementioned behavior on a constant basis. And I want to make it clear that problem users are not shit posters. I would think its safe to say the majority of users enjoy this site because of the atmosphere. The idea that you can say whatever the fuck you want and you don't care what anyone else says is a core tenant of this site and that atmosphere. When problem posters enter the picture that atmosphere evaporates. What is left could be described as a party that was ruined by one autistic kid whose screaming just wouldn't stop.

We can talk about petty grudges between mods and users but I haven't seen any mods actually having a grudge with individual users. I have seen many users that scream and cry about this mod or that admin but it is always crtitically. Its "you implemented a thanks system and still couldnt get it right?" its "Oh lol this site aint goin nowhere!" and its "lol arnox ur team is dum!". It hasnt been anything like "Hey my acct got deleted by a rouge mod!" Its not "Hey my PI has been leaked by the mod team!" its never anything serious but it is always incredibly crititical.

And that's okay. We can take critical. We can handle that scream autistic child at the centre of the room. Maybe after poking it with a stick a couple times but in the end wont let some screaming autist ruin our good time.

While that all sounds nice and well in theory, the sad fact remains that the practical application of everything you just said is failing miserably. Because people are getting banned for no reason...i.e. Infinity Shock in B&M for having the audacity to flame someone in the very section where that IS the very purpose.

And of course you still have one of your own moderators derailing threads with way too much regularity, one of these OBVIOUS "problem posters" you described above.....but not a damn thing is being done about it.

An old wise man said...."faith without works is dead", and so far its just a bunch of empty rhetoric with no actual action behind those words.

[starvingniglet]

If your party is ruined by autistic screaming, then you just don't know how to party.

Seriously though, any sort of negativity or 'name calling' could be considered 'harassment' by a mod and dealt with accordingly, on a 'case-by-case-basis', which means there isn't even a standard of what is 'harassment' or 'incoherent'.  It just depends on the individual moderators, who may, or may not be assholes or have an agenda or grudge. 

And seeing as how you are the one who brought this up, interesting how when it goes against you, its now all like 'well the mods aren't abusing their power yet, but you guys are screaming and crying about it'

Fuck you, Σ.  You are one of the worst posters here, and almost every post of yours has some glaring factual error.  Just stop already before you embarass yourself further.

[Σ]

I don't understand the problem with it being dealt with by a case by case basis. The fact remains that every case of harassment is different. Every case differs in areas like intention, aggression, how often it occurs and various other factors so it would be nearly impossible to blanket one punishment when almost all cases will vary.

How would you define harrassment?

[starvingniglet]

How would you define harrassment?

I am trying to harass you in this thread

[Lanny]

Why do we even care about harassment? If someone wants to waste their time harassing me they can go for it. Everyone harassed each other endlessly on the sites the funneled into this one, never got in the way.

[starvingniglet]

How would you define harrassment?

harassment would be multiple instances of following someone around serious threads and posting off topic 'flaming' type posts against them, and disrupting their communications and conversations.  Not just one or two instances, either.....I feel like the less rules the better, in general, but there comes a point where it starts to get out of hand

[Σ]

How would you define harrassment?

harassment would be multiple instances of following someone around serious threads and posting off topic 'flaming' type posts against them, and disrupting their communications and conversations.  Not just one or two instances, either.....I feel like the less rules the better, in general, but there comes a point where it starts to get out of hand

This we can both agree on. What I want to find is the line where it gets out of hand. I want users to be able to fuck with users. I dont think having some lolz is a bad thing. I highly encourage it. But I do think that when one user fucks with other users constantly in a way that deems them a nuisance should be at least given a time to cool off and think about what they are doing.

[Suicidal Fish]

I am pro-harrassment