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Offline MoaningLisa

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post your dream builds
« on: October 11, 2014, 04:21:23 am »
the "built not bought" argument will be around for as long as there are premium level cars, and people modifying lesser cars to compete on their level.

but there are some things that can be built, that cannot be bought. the crazier the better.

this is not "I wanna get a F body trans am and turbo it", this is for ground up totally custom 1-off builds.

I have ideas all the time, every car-guy day dreams...if you think you have an idea, post it!


these guys have the right idea.
https://www.youtube.com/user/badobsessionmsport

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Re: post your dream builds
« Reply #1 on: October 12, 2014, 07:31:25 pm »
Premium fred. As much as I like high end cars and appreciate the engineering that goes into them, I'm really in the "build it" camp. Of course, I have a few dream builds. Here's a couple of mine:

Take a roundie BMW 2002, any year before '74. Gut the car. Install 4.0L S65 V8 + 6 speed manual and diff from an E90 M3. Flare the fenders to fit the stock E90 18 inch wheels, build up the suspension and brakes to match. Figuring out the ignition and ecu might be a bit of a pain, but ideally I'd adapt all the stock stuff. Aside from the flares and maybe shaves bumpers and trim, I would leave the body stock. I would probably paint it pure white. Obviously the interior would get a cage, though I would want to drive this car on the street as well as the track so I may keep the full interior. But, most of the work would go into refining the suspension until it's the ultimate BMW. I estimate with the weight of the engine the car would come out around 2500-2600 ibs.

My other dream build is an Audi Urquattro. I would again start fresh from the chassis up. I've always wondered whether it was possible to adapt the VTG Turbos from a 997 Turbo to a 2.5 TFSI from the TTRS... then drop it into an Urq and obviously hook it up to a traditional quattro system (none of this haldex shit), complete with 6 speed manual and locking center and rear diffs. Or, perhaps adapt a modern system, say from the current RS4 or RS5 (the RS5 has a trick rear diff that could make for some seriously effective cornering. Too bad the RS5 apparently didn't put it to good use.

Anyway, after all that I'm not sure about the body. Keeping it stock and clean would be cool, but deliberately rusting up the body panels and giving it this nasty rat look could be so much cooler. Imagine a rat rod Urq with 500-600 HP, maybe more ;D

Those are just a couple more basic builds as opposed to a completely custom chassis and body.

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Re: post your dream builds
« Reply #2 on: October 12, 2014, 08:15:06 pm »
BMW-the stock BMW harness and computer would be very difficult to adapt. all the retrofit german builds I read about (mercedes 5.5 V8 into a '54 Buick, every BMW motor ever into an E30) use a Haltec. a suspension swap from the E90 to the 2002 wouldn't be that bad, using the jig-and-fabricate method used in the binky build I posted in OP. the rear subframe would probably bolt in.

Audi-
the 2.5 motor from the TTRS would fit in the urq easily, and the turbo from the 997 would probably bolt in using the stock manifold..if not custom manifolds aren't difficult at all. might I suggest just using an APR stage 3 kit


again haltech is easiest for non-GM builds. the GM computer can support ridiculous builds easily. I know people retrofit VR6 motors using the bosch ME7.5 and ME7.7 brains (I have the ME7.7 in my car, and its a bitch to do anything with...its powerful, but diffiicult)

I love the idea of a rat rod classic audi, audi's attract the driveclean crowd, personally I love rat rod cars, and the rat rod look goes great with older BMW 7s



as for the quattro system, using an 012 trans from an '80s quattro would probably be best for what you are going for, you would get the old-school quattro feel, and a porsche locking rear diff is easy. with the RS5 diff, you would need wheel speed sensors on the rear wheels, in other words a rear subframe swap, or retrofit them in (pretty difficult) and the computer trickery as well...I know a haltech will support traction control, and Haltech likes to give custom support to oddball builds.

they sound like kickass builds...custom german cars are killer.

post some of your frame up ideas, those are the best.
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Re: post your dream builds
« Reply #3 on: October 13, 2014, 05:47:21 am »
B5 RS4 engine and running gear on a space frame chassis put into an old VW caddy, slammed like rusty slammington!!

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Re: post your dream builds
« Reply #4 on: October 13, 2014, 10:07:53 am »
Not a fan of those pumped guards.

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Re: post your dream builds
« Reply #5 on: October 13, 2014, 07:29:37 pm »
buy a 1st-gen RX7 shell for $500-$1500


either cage the shit out of it or build a custom chassis. custom chassis would be my personal choice, because then I can do a suspension swap easily.

Cobra independent rear suspension

-easy to fab into custom chassis
-can take retarded power without failing

-expensive at ~$1300-$1500 just for the unit

OR-A4/S4 rear suspension swap, using porsche locking diff
-A4/passats are in junkyards everywhere (or $300 on ebay)
-polyurethane bushings and coilovers are available and easy to install.
-porsche locking diff ~$300 on ebay

extremely "german" and complicated, fabrication could be tricky.



01E 6 speed manual transmission
-shown to be able to handle 1200 hp
-~$600 in wrecking yards, +$600 for performance rebuild kit



mods to 01E
-switch 6th gear to .48 OD out of a diesel-ratio transmission
-straight-cut 1st+2nd gear
-4:1 diff mod
-updated 2nd gear shift fork
-Royal Purple full synthetic gear oil
-remove factory open front diff, using modified V8 Quattro or 944 porshe rear diff, make the front a locker.

[between VAG trans and GM motor]

powerplant-
I'm undecided. if money were no problem, LS7 with TT's or an LS9.
however the dry-sump LS3 with a single GT45 turbo would weigh less than the other options, and still make more than enough power.
more budget conscious, an LM7/L33 with 6.0 crank, MAHLE pistons, Oliver forged rods, COMP cam/springs/rockers and an ebay or used (with new CHRA cartridge) turbo

I would go for a truck or "RV" cam to give the motor low end big-inch motor style torque, and size the turbo so it spools when the motor is almost off or after the cam, so it has that turbo big-inch V8 feel...HUGE NA power, then HUGE turbo power.

plumbing-a 7 inch tall by 3 foot intercooler would fit right behind the lower valance, and because its an LS, the motor itself is fairly small. giving room for the turbo to go either in front of the motor, or on the passenger side of the engine near the firewall.

of course its GM, so with a modified harness and HP tuners, I can make a stock minivan computer run the whole set up.

single turbo LS1 in an RX7. 3rd gen, but still shows the set up will fit


front suspension-
I'm actually not sure. stock RX7 steering rack though.
I need something FWD or AWD based, with the steering rack in front of the spindles. VW/Audi both use rack-behind-motor designs.
the Audi spindles are made of aluminum/magnesium alloy, so modifying them is out...making new ones to bolt to the audi suspension wouldn't be as bad as it could be, but still not easy. due to the wheel bearing and floating caliper/rotor A4 design, it would be easier than taper style bearing such as GM uses.

either modify Audi parts, or find something easier to work with. I haven't looked at Mazda 323/626/929 spindles to see if they could me used.

anyways, if you've actually read this far, I'm sure you are thinking-won't the 01E sit so far back that the front half-shafts could never reach the front hubs? yes. thats valid...solid driveshafts wouldn't make it.

I've seen this done on a 1-off drag car that used a hydraulic system as a transfer case instead of a transmission...high RPM hydraulic pumps easily carry enough power.

mounting to the adapter plate between the engine and trans, and the heat-shield bolt holes around the output shafts (deep and strong) I would mount hydraulic pumps, one on each front-output shaft, with the inlet hoses running to the reservoir. The extra outlet would run to a reservoir by the fuel cell. the high-pressure lines (probably hard lines) would run up ~a foot to the wheel well, where a high RPM hydraulic motor would be mounted, powering the halfshaft, powering the front wheels.

an oil-to-water cooler would be mounted on the low pressure side where the factory battery used to be...not necessarily to cool the oil, but to warm it on cold days.

other logistics-
fuel cell in hatch or modified gas tank under car. duel fuel cells would allow for a race tune while keeping 91 octane as well
methanol injection tank in hatch
battery in hatch
PCM in glove box
stock stereo removed for gauges/switches
stock dash removed for tach/speedo
depending on suspension choices, given the small wheel wells in the Rx7 body, big brakes of the audi hardware, and width needed for rubber, custom steelies would be best.
exhaust would be done either with truck headers bolted on backwards to mount the turbo in the front, or with a ram horn header on the driver side, and a modified truck header on the passenger side to mount the turbo in the rear passenger corner of the bay.

the trans would likely sit too far back to use audi hardware for the shift linkage. a bracket, shift cables, and a Nissan Versa shifter could solve this.

all drive shafts would have to be custom. because the rear diff in both options is fixed, it wouldn't have to be perfect.

I would leave the car as ratty looking as I could on the outside. no paint, nothing to hint that its a monster.

I know this whole build seems extremely far fetched, but with an oxy torch, lift, tig, some raw metal and a couple laser levels, I think it could be done.

the PeterCatillac

this is another frame up build, but not as bad as the last one because everything already exists...it just needs to be fabbed together.

I'd take the front of a '66-'70 Sedan Deville, cut behind the rear doors (I like 4doors, so I would use one)


I would have to Z notch or use some kind of step-up on the frame to fit the back half of a peterbuilt. yes, the part with 4 wheels.

the peterbuilt part of the frame is already bagged, and thanks to the lowrider nature of the Cadillac, off-the-shelf bags are available for the front suspension. an air tank can be mounted in the peterbuilt segment of the frame, along with keg-tanks. I'd make the bed welder-truck style, with toolboxes facing outward, a MIG welder as far forward as possible on the bed, oxy-acyteline-air drop lines mounted on top of the tool box. I'd make the rest of the bed and the bumper out of the back end of a '59 El Camino. it might have to be widened to fit the peterbuild chassis.



for the engine I would use a CAT 3126. why not a cummins? everyone uses a cummins...and I'm in school to be a CAT mechanic.



I'd mount an air compressor from a semi on the engine, power steering pump and alternator from the caddy, and a modern GM AC compressor.

exhaust would dump right out of the front passenger quarterpanel.

MANual transmission of course, using the pedal assembly from chevy B platform cars. I'd make the shifter so tall it would almost touch the roof, with a ratfink shift knob.



as for the interior of the Cadillac, I would make it as clean-resto-mod as possible, using the stock dash with a GM 4-toggle window switch for the airbags (I've seen it done, looks clean) with a custom console, I'd leave the stock deck in the dash for FM, but use a modern screen deck in the console for bluetooth/navigation/music management/backup camera. I'd hide all the gauges in the console too, camaro style but with old school sweeper gauges. seats would be newer caddy buckets, for the back seat I'd probably get the stock ones recovered. I'd keep the '60s dash, head liner, door panels and switches.



naturally, leaving the caddy in whatever state of disrepair I found it in, no paint.

the price of this build could very greatly depending on donor cars and the condition of parts going back in.

« Last Edit: October 13, 2014, 07:37:43 pm by MoaningLisa »
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Re: post your dream builds
« Reply #6 on: October 13, 2014, 11:56:21 pm »
Corvette CS3 Stingray w/ LS9 Crate engine
Non-Catted Side exhaust
Tube chassis with CS6 suspension
Wilwood 6 pistons on all four corners

Stripped for Full rust restoration
while its stripped - repaint in a battleship grey
While its stripped - get a cage

I will edit this post as the ideas pop in.