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Offline Vulture

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Timber Theft
« on: October 18, 2014, 08:18:50 pm »
This is one of those bad ideas with a higher investment and higher return on investment. How it works:

Someone searches through county property records, looking for properties owned by people who live far from the area, that are large, and that are wooded. They then pose as either the property owner or their legally appointed representative (the latter is especially useful for properties owned by trusts or the elderly), and arrange a timber sale. Most timber buyers pay up front. Depending on the quality of the stand and the tree species, this could mean $500 to $5000 an acre. Hiring a forester to assess the stock and arrange their sale would be a good idea that maximizes value. They'd derive the most money from a clearcut to build a housing development, or something of the sort.
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Re: Timber Theft
« Reply #1 on: October 18, 2014, 08:23:51 pm »
you would probably need proof of ownership...which means forged documents...which means fraud/serious jail time.

you would probably be better off using county records of rural homes/abandoned houses and stealing copper in the middle of the night.
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Re: Timber Theft
« Reply #2 on: October 18, 2014, 08:24:31 pm »
two words:  burl poaching
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« Reply #3 on: October 18, 2014, 08:26:54 pm »
The people who get away with it apparently find it easy enough to forge documents, order notary stamps from overseas where someone doesn't need to show proof of being a notary/deeds/fake IDs.

Like I said, it takes a higher investment.
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« Reply #4 on: October 18, 2014, 08:27:24 pm »
two words:  burl poaching
This is limited to the Pacific Northwest afaik.
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Re: Timber Theft
« Reply #5 on: October 18, 2014, 08:28:18 pm »
two words:  burl poaching
This is limited to the Pacific Northwest afaik.

nah, but the redwood burls get the biggest money...
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Re: Timber Theft
« Reply #6 on: October 19, 2014, 06:56:15 am »
 I live in an area where you practically cant go 10ft in any direction, for probably at least 30 miles without running into a tree.. It's not a good or practical idea in my area.. timber is currently down, and like the OP said, unless your working on a larger scale.. your not going to be making shit worth your hassle.. pulling 4-5 logs by yourself at a time might net you $100-$150 around here.. idk, maybe not.. and the legal troubles, jail time, and long list of charges.. tresspassing, stealing, etc.. And if you was going for the big scam, then that's more people you have to get in on it.. unless you dont tell them its being stolen.. and even then..

 I wouldn't mess with peoples property.. I'd easily take out someones knees with a couple well aimed shots and gladly accept the jail time if someone fucked with my property.
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Re: Timber Theft
« Reply #7 on: October 19, 2014, 08:00:16 am »
I'm not sure what your area is like but taking scrap copper is a good way to make some extra cash. Depending on prices an old boiler can fetch £100 here of course you need to find abandoned buildings or at least make sure no one is home.

Where I live it is common to go get copper cable and burn off the rubber in a fire but theres loads of other metal. Just make sure the electric is off in the house, bring a hammer and start chasing the wires behind the walls. If you can get a few close mates you can knock a few houses over in a night.


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Re: Timber Theft
« Reply #8 on: October 19, 2014, 09:45:34 am »
A lot of the time what happens is someone (friend, relative, nosy neighbor) notices flagging and surveying taking place and informs the landowner, but usually at that point cash has already been forked over and the perp is long gone. The initial timber cruise is usually hard to detect. A conscientious tree-hugging thief might even inform the timber buyer after the fact so the bogus lease will never be executed, knowing that if they're generally responsible human beings they only need to do their deed 3-4 times a decade anyway. Buyers likely have bonds/insurance coverage as well (odds of this increase if you hire a forester), so timber thieves can almost write it off as a victimless crime in their heads.

I've heard of some timber thieves leasing out plots of public land, but that doesn't sound like the best idea unless they're selling to a stupid craigslist hack for 1/10 of what they'd get elsewhere. A quick check of a property map and they'd be fucked.
I'm not sure what your area is like but taking scrap copper is a good way to make some extra cash. Depending on prices an old boiler can fetch £100 here of course you need to find abandoned buildings or at least make sure no one is home.

Where I live it is common to go get copper cable and burn off the rubber in a fire but theres loads of other metal. Just make sure the electric is off in the house, bring a hammer and start chasing the wires behind the walls. If you can get a few close mates you can knock a few houses over in a night.
I live in the middle of nowhere among farms, coal mines, and gas leases. There really aren't many abandoned buildings outside of the nearest town which has like 10% unemployment and has basically already been ransacked.

Potentially informative side note: Why am I not talking about leasing mineral rights as well?

1. More deed/courthouse work involved. More cameras.
2. Gas companies typically track down property owners, not visa versa.
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