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Offline Rook

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Everything Firewood Discussion
« on: October 28, 2014, 05:47:27 am »
 Haha, I dont know how modern most of you guys are. I grew up with the finer comforts of a central heating/air system.. but when I came of age, bought a house, and started my homesteading project.. I decided wood heat would be my main source of warmth throughout the winter. And its turned out to be one of the bed decisions I've ever made. My electric bill for this past month was $35.. my parents was $156.. In winter, I've had bills and my family and my fiances family regularly have electric bills of $450-$600.. per month. I've yet to exceed $40 between October and May.. Summer months are usually more expensive for me ($80) because I do run two air conditioners during that time.

 So anyways, I've been busy working my ass off working up sufficient firewood. There is a strong chance that this season will pose a strong/frigid winter. And if nothing else, better safe than sorry. I'm actually trying to get enough put away for this year and next year, with the possibility of selling some on the side for extra money.

 Currently, been cutting a lot of hickory, oak, and pine. I have a giant box elder that was cut last year and seasoned this whole past year to get too.. I tend to aim for a 50/50 split of dry seasoned wood and green wood.. while putting some green wood back to season for next year.

 At the current time, Firewood prices for my locale in KY and about the surrounding 100 miles are ranging from $60 a truckload to $75.. which is expensive.. a good or bad thing depending on whether your doing the buying or selling. A good size tree can often make a whole truck load if not more..

 I split my firewood with a 10lb wood splitting maul.. Been using it since I was 16, and I tell ya.. don't even have to hit the gym, you'll get some pythons for arms just by using that thing. I prefer a heavy maul to an axe because axes get stuck in the wood, dont allow enough force to split some harder woods with one swing, and need sharpened more often.

 A tip for the wood-burners out there.. I usually get duraflame fire starters to save time getting a fire going on those cold morning.. But I've recently started foraging pine cones.  I picked up 6 100lb feed sack full yesterday (size of the sack, not the weight in cones).. I've read a lot about this practice online, and beside having thicker smoke rolling out your chimney, they make for super efficient kindling. And in some areas, I've seen people selling them online for $5 a sack. It took me about an hour to get 6 feed sacks full, so that's about $30 an hour if you can find a big enough supply in the woods somewhere. I'm definitely going to continue foraging and maybe dedicate a whole day to it.. Roughly 8 hours should net me $240, and with my Fiance there picking too, could possible double that amount.. not bad, a possible $500 for one day of picking up pine cones..

 Well I'll leave it at this for now.. Feel free to discuss further.

Note: Let's keep this thread clean, on-topic, intelligent, and without flaming (pun.. and yet serious).. Thanks.
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Re: Everything Firewood Discussion
« Reply #1 on: November 12, 2014, 11:05:47 pm »
I have a wood stove myself and I have around six bush cord cut stacked and covered for the next two years, I cycle out my wood so I constantly have an over supply so I'll always have dry wood.

Usually it's a mix of oak, elm, maple, iron wood, ect but it usually cures from one to two years and it's stacked on top of pallets so the air can get to it and it keeps it dry.

For what I cover it with I have a huge piece of geo cloth that covers most of it and some old tin, I just weight down the tin and that holds the cloth in place as well.

Like the idea for starting up your fireplace but watch out for crisol buildup... Don't want to burn down your house.

For me I'll make charcoal out of the tree limbs and toss a bunch in the stove then use a propane torch, Just set it on the edge with the flames into the coals and it's going in no time. Instant bed of coals.

Toss some logs on and let them catch and I'm good to go.

I also built a dehydrator in the back of my stove as well so I can cure veggies and the likes for use later, I usually make powders out of onions and garlic for later use and you can use lemon or orange zest that's been dehydrated in home made candies.

When I rebuild my house I'll be taking the stove upstairs and putting it downstairs so I can warm the place up basement first but I'll be leaving the old stack in place so I can get a proper wood cook stove so I can bake bread and the likes.

I'll add more in later because a lot of people really limit the use of what their stoves do.

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Found a picture of my stack from the outside.


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Re: Everything Firewood Discussion
« Reply #2 on: November 13, 2014, 03:06:22 pm »
Not a bad set-up at all.. Looks like you live in a nice private area, but.. that could just be the picture. Yea, I know you have to be careful when using pine cones, but they really are excellent fire starters. I take four or 5 cones, light one on fire and put the rest on top.. followed by some twigs from one of my kindling sacks and throw on one piece of dry wood.. the cones take off like gasoline in a few seconds and I have a fire in no time. I still plan on being careful.. and like I said, I only use 4-5 a day, and thats if my embers from the night before are completely out.

 The pipe from my wood stove feeds into a bricked up chimney that's been retrofitted for a stove set-up, complete with a square rock pad for the stove to sit on. My main concerns right now is the bricks on top of my chimney need to be re-mortared and have a nice chimney cap put on. When I first moved into this place, I had to take the loose bricks off, and even clear about 3 that had fallen down into the chimney over the years. On the plus side, the chimney does have a steel casing all the way through. Not bad for a house built in 1962.

 Though I'm unsure how I would go about it, I would eventually like to have a fireplace/stove for my upstairs.
It's damn near impossible to keep any heat up there when the temperature drops. It would either mean cutting into the old chimney and retrofitting it, or.. running a new stack possibly out the side. I would probably do the latter so s not to fuck up the preexisting structure. I have a lot of future build-ons in mind for my old place, so if I want to save myself from constantly redoing work.. I'll need to pick a place that isn't going to b disturbed for the long haul.

 You got a good link for how you go about making your charcoal? That's something I'd definitely be interested in.. sounds very efficient.

 And I know what you mean about wood stove versatility. The electric goes out here frequently in the winter time, sometimes for weeks on end. While I did manage to pick up a cheap efficient generator over the years, we've cooked many meals on cast iron skillets to save on fuel.. and.. I really like doing it that way anyways. I own the "logwood" wood stove.. it holds up to a 27" log I believe.. Let me see if I can find a picture..



 There were better images to be found on google, but this one shows the cook top.. Its supposed to heat 1,600 sq ft, but you know how they often exaggerate on those things.. then again, it heats my downstairs pretty efficiently and entirely and its aprox. 1000sq ft. Of course the rooms further from the stove stay about 5-10 degrees cooler, but still warm by all standards.

http://www.homedepot.com/p/US-Stove-Logwood-1-600-sq-ft-Wood-Burning-Stove-2421/202398322

 Yea, it is a 27 inch log.. Most of my cuts are about 20"-24" though.. I've gotten it red a few times when I first got it, try not to do that now. On those real cold nights, I have a few 5-gallon buckets of coal if I really want to crank out the heat. I dont use much (dont want to melt it down).. but around here you can get a 5-gallon bucket for $2.. really cant beat that. There used to be a small stockpile on this property when  first moved here, and was told there would be some more hidden around here.. just haven't made the effort to find it.
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Re: Everything Firewood Discussion
« Reply #3 on: November 13, 2014, 03:48:59 pm »
Mostly I use old tar buckets off the job sites and burn out the tar with a little gas and fire then I fill em with offcuts and the likes push the lid back on and then punch a 1/4" hold in the top and throw it in my fire pit outside... Use scrap wood for the fire and to make coal.

Once the bucket stops smoking leave it for another 1/2 hour and just let the fire die down or remove it and let it cool somewhere to see what you've got.

As for a second stove does your house have duct work? If not move the heat around with fans. A lot of "refurbished" houses people take out those big round  grills in the floors so things look "nice" to them not realizing that they just fucked up their air and heat transfer.

If you do put a second  stove in I'd put up a second stack as well... Lots of houses burnt down because of competing drafts in a double stove single stack house.

If you got a fan try putting it at the bottom of your stairs and on a  low setting get it to push the air upstairs, might make life a little more tolerable for you.

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Re: Everything Firewood Discussion
« Reply #4 on: November 13, 2014, 04:22:05 pm »
$80 for a max electric bill in the summer while running two air conditioners is pretty good, OP.  My top bill in the summer comes to around $120.  Winter isn't bad for me, and I use gas for heat (plus electricity for the blower and such).  I budget $150 for electric and gas combined and never go over that amount - only get closer to it in July/August.

That being said, I don't have a fireplace.  I wish I did, but we bought a smaller square foot house (still 3 bedrooms), so no room for that.  I grew up with a fireplace though.  We still used the heater most times, but I loved adding logs to the fire.  I can remember melting snow and roasting marshmallows.  Now my parents have a gas fireplace and they really like that, but there's something about that wood fireplace.

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Re: Everything Firewood Discussion
« Reply #5 on: November 13, 2014, 06:11:33 pm »
$80 for a max electric bill in the summer while running two air conditioners is pretty good, OP.  My top bill in the summer comes to around $120.  Winter isn't bad for me, and I use gas for heat (plus electricity for the blower and such).  I budget $150 for electric and gas combined and never go over that amount - only get closer to it in July/August.

That being said, I don't have a fireplace.  I wish I did, but we bought a smaller square foot house (still 3 bedrooms), so no room for that.  I grew up with a fireplace though.  We still used the heater most times, but I loved adding logs to the fire.  I can remember melting snow and roasting marshmallows.  Now my parents have a gas fireplace and they really like that, but there's something about that wood fireplace.

Ever think of a fireplace insert? Most of it fits into the wall and you have to make a brick chimney outside to get the heat back inside.

Al