Carnality => Bad Ideas => Topic started by: Herr Ruin on September 02, 2014, 09:48:34 pm
Title: Lockpicking/Non destructive entry
Post by: Herr Ruin on September 02, 2014, 09:48:34 pm
Hey Guys, Over the next Weeks I'll post everything useful I accumulated over the years regarding this topic in this thread any contributions are very welcome.
I'll start out with the essential beginners guides: Deviant Ollams beginners guide; http://www.xup.to/dl,14096690/bh-eu-08-deviant_ollam-WP-1.pdf/ Unbreakables Guide to making your own shims out of soda cans; http://www.xup.to/dl,86833231/Shims.pdf/ LSI Guide to Lockpicking: http://www.xup.to/dl,19114138/lsiguide.pdf/ The Famous MIT Handbook: http://www.xup.to/dl,93899768/mitlg-a4.pdf/ A Video tutorial on Bumpkeys, how they work and how to make them:
Title: Re: Lockpicking/Non destructive entry
Post by: Herr Ruin on September 02, 2014, 09:49:09 pm
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Title: Re: Lockpicking/Non destructive entry
Post by: aYoungKing on September 02, 2014, 11:08:39 pm
my friend recently ordered a lock picking set, since he has received it he has popped a door knob lock
he actually shared this in my thread i started about him talking about breaking and entering
he says a lock picking tools and a skilled picker are the best way to get into a building when one wants to be under the radar
my friend wants to keep getting better, he said his goal will be able to pass a 7 pin, re-keyable industrial commercial lock, he thinks they have 2 standard pins, and 5 serrated security pins, have you any experience with these ones?
Title: Re: Lockpicking/Non destructive entry
Post by: Herr Ruin on September 02, 2014, 11:18:47 pm
Security pins take a lot of practice to overcome or even detect for that matter. If you ain't got a lot of experience your best bet would be an e-pick, in some instances you can even still use bumpkeys but I wouldn't get my hopes up to high if your target uses locks that are designed to deterr lockpickers. In my time I've seen some impressive feats using only southord standard 24 pieces pick sets, but that generally takes years of practice especially for advanced security locks. Do you by any chance know the manufacturer of the lock your buddy is targeting?
Title: Re: Lockpicking/Non destructive entry
Post by: aYoungKing on September 02, 2014, 11:27:52 pm
lol, my friend ordered the 20 piece southord, not bad but quite expensive for just a few pieces of thin metal
my buddy will keep practicing
while he has nothing planned for a while, he has been frustrated in the past by the best re-keyables, he would like to be able to pass these within 5 minutes in the future
they are 7 pins and have very narrow key ways, he thinks it was best cores but took stanley keys?
are the high priced 200 dollar pick sets worth it?
Title: Re: Lockpicking/Non destructive entry
Post by: Controversialrogue on September 02, 2014, 11:33:56 pm
I dont want to practice my lock-picking skills anymore untill i get a cutout lock to practice on. I can rake relatively well but i still feel like every-time i successfully pick a lock it is a fluke.
Title: Re: Lockpicking/Non destructive entry
Post by: Herr Ruin on September 02, 2014, 11:39:57 pm
Nope 200$ picksets are for rich kids who don't understand jack shit about picking, costumize your southord set instead or file your own picks out of springsteel. I'll post some guides regarding to this soon, but one of the best tips is to shrink tube the handles of your picks. Believe it or not this helps a lot. Re-keyable Locks are no different to manually pick than any other, the only difference is you can't use standard bumpkeys for obvious reasons. Instead of getting a 200$ pickset I would suggest to get a similar lock and mount for it, practice makes perfect
Title: Re: Lockpicking/Non destructive entry
Post by: Herr Ruin on September 02, 2014, 11:42:29 pm
I dont want to practice my lock-picking skills anymore untill i get a cutout lock to practice on. I can rake relatively well but i still feel like every-time i successfully pick a lock it is a fluke.
Hell yeah! This helped me out a lot to understand the mechanisms of a lock in the beginning, unfortunately I can only recommend Europe vendors, but as far as they go multipick.com has everything you could possibly want
Title: Re: Lockpicking/Non destructive entry
Post by: aYoungKing on September 03, 2014, 12:11:16 am
Nope 200$ picksets are for rich kids who don't understand jack shit about picking, costumize your southord set instead or file your own picks out of springsteel. I'll post some guides regarding to this soon, but one of the best tips is to shrink tube the handles of your picks. Believe it or not this helps a lot. Re-keyable Locks are no different to manually pick than any other, the only difference is you can't use standard bumpkeys for obvious reasons. Instead of getting a 200$ pickset I would suggest to get a similar lock and mount for it, practice makes perfect
when you say shrink tube, you mean the stuff you put on wires and heat with a lighter to shrink it? sounds good, also my friend will start building upon his already 20 piece set which has 21 pieces from southord
the tension tools are something my friend was disappointed with, his allen wrenches were far better, but a top of the keyway tensioner, what are those like?
Title: Re: Lockpicking/Non destructive entry
Post by: Herr Ruin on September 03, 2014, 12:25:08 am
Yup exactly the stuff you also use on wires.
These days I mostly use this as a tension wrench: https://shop.multipick.com/en/opening--locksmith-tools/lock-picking--lock-manipulation/electric-picks--multipick-control/tension-tools/tension-ring/multipick-tnt-20?info=16764 As it allows me to apply tension/pressure way more precise, this is essential for some lock, also as you can see the tension hooks are much smaller than any wrench. Use what works best for you, although the twisted southord tension pick is one of my all-time favorites but that's just personal preference
Title: Re: Lockpicking/Non destructive entry
Post by: aYoungKing on September 03, 2014, 12:29:45 am
that looks very nice
Title: Re: Lockpicking/Non destructive entry
Post by: Herr Ruin on September 03, 2014, 12:39:27 am
While we're at the topic of tension tools, I can only recommend this nifty little fucker: https://shop.multipick.com/en/opening--locksmith-tools/lock-picking--lock-manipulation/electric-picks--multipick-control/plug-spinner-flipper/plug-spinner-ps2-special It's a spinner plug and it basically allows you to spin locks open after picking them, even if the cylinder is locked twice so you don't have to pick the same lock again. This saves times when you....erm lost your keys ;)
Title: Re: Lockpicking/Non destructive entry
Post by: Rizzo in a box on September 03, 2014, 12:41:02 am
woot, fuck yeah. good stuff man
Title: Re: Lockpicking/Non destructive entry
Post by: aYoungKing on September 03, 2014, 12:43:08 am
While we're at the topic of tension tools, I can only recommend this nifty little fucker: https://shop.multipick.com/en/opening--locksmith-tools/lock-picking--lock-manipulation/electric-picks--multipick-control/plug-spinner-flipper/plug-spinner-ps2-special (https://www.filterbypass.me/anonsurf.php?u=mFdXQGOMefG6JocmjYtQJISGzTTji0HpRZUyio8Nc%2FKgo4t0hhS%2BGtuglUJvvmkAxupbfD72y2oEZpN5dRVcBIr5RzgX3yhfeVwp6%2F8bxbhHwO8cZJpW4Lma47QqojacY7fzDePhO58eQ1r1kW5UqyjFeJN8qSJa6ydT%2BYyCKFQSeggJ3G8OhzY8LysV8iHhHPvdUDnR9wrZnvI202efTzkdKuI%3D&b=5) It's a spinner plug and it basically allows you to spin locks open after picking them, even if the cylinder is locked twice so you don't have to pick the same lock again. This saves times when you....erm lost your keys ;)
assuming this will be useful when you pick a lock and you did it in the wrong direction too, correct?
Title: Re: Lockpicking/Non destructive entry
Post by: Herr Ruin on September 03, 2014, 12:48:13 am
That's right, also some European locks try to reset the pins after one 180° motion. This tool overrides those security features as well
Title: Re: Lockpicking/Non destructive entry
Post by: easy-e on September 05, 2014, 07:50:13 pm
my friend wants to keep getting better, he said his goal will be able to pass a 7 pin, re-keyable industrial commercial lock, he thinks they have 2 standard pins, and 5 serrated security pins, have you any experience with these ones?
Every pin stack has multiple sheer lines to facilitate a change key. This actually makes it easier to pick the lock. I've only had one of them that would always pick to control instead of operating which was fun because usually control is a royal pain in the ass.
while he has nothing planned for a while, he has been frustrated in the past by the best re-keyables, he would like to be able to pass these within 5 minutes in the future
they are 7 pins and have very narrow key ways, he thinks it was best cores but took stanley keys?
Best, falcon, and a bunch of other manufactures make very similar interchangeable core locks. Stanley, Ilco, and a bunch of other manufactures make generic keys for these locks as well.
lol, my friend ordered the 20 piece southord, not bad but quite expensive for just a few pieces of thin metal
are the high priced 200 dollar pick sets worth it?
I started with buying 3 or 4 individaul picks from Southord and a few different tensioners. That lasted me a lot of locks until I needed slim and/or euro picks to get into locks with tighter keyways. Most of the large sets come with a bunch of stuff you'll almost never use.
Now I have spent a lot of money on a bunch of different kinds of picks and I have a code cutting machine. Still don't have a duplicator yet, but I haven't needed to make multiple copies of many keys lately. I like to buy locks without keys, pick them, gut them, then make keys for them.
Nope 200$ picksets are for rich kids who don't understand jack shit about picking, costumize your southord set instead or file your own picks out of springsteel. I'll post some guides regarding to this soon, but one of the best tips is to shrink tube the handles of your picks. Believe it or not this helps a lot. Re-keyable Locks are no different to manually pick than any other, the only difference is you can't use standard bumpkeys for obvious reasons. Instead of getting a 200$ pickset I would suggest to get a similar lock and mount for it, practice makes perfect
I've got the Peterson Phoenix Ultimate Government Steel set with plastic handles but I got it on a great deal from a member of a locksport forum. I had bought Peterson pry bars and a few individual spring steel picks. I really liked them and eventually broke or bent the spring steel ones and was looking at ordering some government steel ones when the deal on the set came up. I've got some stuff I didn't want/need but it's a great all around set and the deal was hard to pass up. The nice thing about it is that it's got a bunch of different hooks verses all of the weird stuff you find in Southord's larger sets.
These days I mostly use this as a tension wrench: https://shop.multipick.com/en/opening--locksmith-tools/lock-picking--lock-manipulation/electric-picks--multipick-control/tension-tools/tension-ring/multipick-tnt-20?info=16764 As it allows me to apply tension/pressure way more precise, this is essential for some lock, also as you can see the tension hooks are much smaller than any wrench. Use what works best for you, although the twisted southord tension pick is one of my all-time favorites but that's just personal preference
That's some gimmicky junk. I love my Peterson pry bars for TOK or BOK tension. I also use the Southord standard twist wrenches a lot too but it only works for BOK tension. I probably have more tension tools than picks right now.
assuming this will be useful when you pick a lock and you did it in the wrong direction too, correct?
Not just picked it in the wrong direction, but sometimes a lock will pick way easier in one direction than the other so it sometimes is easier to pick it in the "wrong" direction and then spin it back the other way.
Title: Re: Lockpicking/Non destructive entry
Post by: dope on September 10, 2014, 11:30:14 pm
Good thread here, I just want to know if bump keys are working well (take no time with practise and work > 50% times) (in my neighbourhood people got regular locks, no anti thief mechanisms). I might keep a set on my keychain in case a neighbour locks itself out, i'm very caring about them you know...
Also: Do autorities from a white neigbourhood can recognise them hanging from your keychain?