The Sanctuary
Society => My God Can Beat The Shit Out Of Your God => Topic started by: equanimity on September 02, 2014, 04:20:41 am
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It feels about time for some real threads here. So, Sanctuary: let's share.
My beliefs most closely resemble Buddhism. I can expand on this later, when I'm not in bed on my phone :P
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The easiest way to describe my views would be Gnostic, a subject I can ramble on about at great lengths
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Please ramble away, good friend :)
We need to put forth the effort if this forum is to last.
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"We believe in nothing, Lebowski."
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My own take on theistic Satanism... I occupy what's sort of an Anti-Shambhala where chaos is more than an empty word.
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I am a Muslim.
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to lrn 2 consciousness
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christian, specifically leaning towards orthodox/mysticism, right there on the edge of gnosticism but not quite.
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I believe that christians, muslims, catholics, jews, and mormons all get into heaven as lomg as their good deeds outweigh their sins. You cant tell me a child rapist can get into heaven because Jesus forgives him. All those religions are based on the first few books of the bible at least, can you really tell me if when you die and go to heaven god will turn you away because you call him Allah? Or because you worship him this way instead of that? No. I have had Christians tell me anyone who is not Pentecostal is going to hell. Thats a crock of shit.
Its all the same, whether you call him god, Yahweh, Jehovah, or Allah, the principle is the same.
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I believe that christians, muslims, catholics, jews, and mormons all get into heaven as lomg as their good deeds outweigh their sins. You cant tell me a child rapist can get into heaven because Jesus forgives him. All those religions are based on the first few books of the bible at least, can you really tell me if when you die and go to heaven god will turn you away because you call him Allah? Or because you worship him this way instead of that? No. I have had Christians tell me anyone who is not Pentecostal is going to hell. Thats a crock of shit.
Its all the same, whether you call him god, Yahweh, Jehovah, or Allah, the principle is the same.
Humans aren't supposed to tell who is going to Heaven and who isn't. They have no rights to judge others by their actions considering the afterlife. I believe that is taught in all major religions.
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I live for pleasure.
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I don't have a belief system. I try and consciously avoid belief systems since I think it creates a barrier between yourself and immediate experience and perception. I have a value system, but that is a different thing.
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I don't have a belief system. I try and consciously avoid belief systems since I think it creates a barrier between yourself and immediate experience and perception. I have a value system, but that is a different thing.
This is an extremely important point! I had never quite articulated it internally like that either but you're so right, value systems > belief systems.
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Agnostic mysticism, to be very general. I study different schools of occultism and Eastern spiritual practices. My literary preferences are in Tibetan Buddhism, Hermeticism and Paganism, ufology and new age bullshit.
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Agnostic mysticism, to be very general. I study different schools of occultism and Eastern spiritual practices. My literary preferences are in Tibetan Buddhism, Hermeticism and Paganism, ufology and new age bullshit.
hehe. fucking new age bullshit. I eat new agers for breakfast! I'm more interested in what the ancients actually believed than in our interpretations of them.
Oh, as a Gnostic I have my own pantheon based on which gods I've had the most contact with. It's a mashup of Egyptian, Norse, and Hindu for the most part. Shiva being my patron deity - who is interesting because he has Indo-Aryan roots that spread back further than most deities and likely has ties to the Norse gods. but he's appeared to me the most often and revealed secret energetic configurations to me.
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I don't have a belief system. I try and consciously avoid belief systems since I think it creates a barrier between yourself and immediate experience and perception. I have a value system, but that is a different thing.
This is an extremely important point! I had never quite articulated it internally like that either but you're so right, value systems > belief systems.
I figure that values are something that you pursue. Like I may invest 1000's of hours into learning an instrument because I value the ability to create music, or I may invest a lifetime in the pursuit of knowledge because I value curiosity as a vital component in my life, or simply because it is fun. A belief system on the other hand seems to me to be a metaphysical or psychological edifice in which the individual can justify or reinforce an abstraction that isn't necessarily self apparently valuable. The focus of a value system can also be included in a belief system, like someone may value knowledge personally whilst also believing in some platonic metaphysics of knowledge, but not all belief systems require the adherents to cherish the focus as something valuable. What people find valuable they find valuable because of direct experience and interaction, but what people believe in is usually a control system they got brainwashed or conditioned into at some point, obviously with some exceptions.
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I don't have a belief system. I try and consciously avoid belief systems since I think it creates a barrier between yourself and immediate experience and perception. I have a value system, but that is a different thing.
This is an extremely important point! I had never quite articulated it internally like that either but you're so right, value systems > belief systems.
I figure that values are something that you pursue. Like I may invest 1000's of hours into learning an instrument because I value the ability to create music, or I may invest a lifetime in the pursuit of knowledge because I value curiosity as a vital component in my life, or simply because it is fun. A belief system on the other hand seems to me to be a metaphysical or psychological edifice in which the individual can justify or reinforce an abstraction that isn't necessarily self apparently valuable. The focus of a value system can also be included in a belief system, like someone may value knowledge personally whilst also believing in some platonic metaphysics of knowledge, but not all belief systems require the adherents to cherish the focus as something valuable. What people find valuable they find valuable because of direct experience and interaction, but what people believe in is usually a control system they got brainwashed or conditioned into at some point, obviously with some exceptions.
Wouldn't you say we're 'brainwashed' or 'conditioned' to accept cultural and social values?
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Wouldn't you say we're 'brainwashed' or 'conditioned' to accept cultural and social values?
MOST of society is, absolutely yes. Unless you are of strong will, and strong mind it is a lot easier and more comfortable to just go along with the flow and follow everyone else. "Nationalistic pride" is a great example of all that. Its starts at a very young age being forced to say the Pledge of Allegiance, and very few put actual thought or conviction into the words they are saying day after day after day. Fast forward to adulthood, and how many people are willing to leave their hat on during the Star Spangled Banner during a sporting event....or just go to concessions and buy another beer and hotdog?
At the end of the day it all boils down to ...."my colored cloth on a stick is better than your colored cloth on a stick" but because of conditioning and indoctrination, people are willing to actually DIE for their sticks, and mistakenly believe the politics that goes on half a world away actually "effects" their lives. They bought into the rhetoric and hubris because they've been conditioned to do so, and are just following the herd like a good little sheep because they are fearful of being ostracized and desperately need to fit into the group for their own sense of personal well being and safety.
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Wouldn't you say we're 'brainwashed' or 'conditioned' to accept cultural and social values?
MOST of society is, absolutely yes. Unless you are of strong will, and strong mind it is a lot easier and more comfortable to just go along with the flow and follow everyone else. "Nationalistic pride" is a great example of all that. Its starts at a very young age being forced to say the Pledge of Allegiance, and very few put actual thought or conviction into the words they are saying day after day after day. Fast forward to adulthood, and how many people are willing to leave their hat on during the Star Spangled Banner during a sporting event....or just go to concessions and buy another beer and hotdog?
At the end of the day it all boils down to ...."my colored cloth on a stick is better than your colored cloth on a stick" but because of conditioning and indoctrination, people are willing to actually DIE for their sticks, and mistakenly believe the politics that goes on half a world away actually "effects" their lives. They bought into the rhetoric and hubris because they've been conditioned to do so, and are just following the herd like a good little sheep because they are fearful of being ostracized and desperately need to fit into the group for their own sense of personal well being and safety.
It's rude and obviously presumptuous to guess, but if I had to I'd peg you an atheist. An angry atheist.
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I believe parts of Christianity, Islam, Buddhism, and that fish grew legs and walked on land(it could happen)
To me all religions lead to the same God, if you can call it that, and i also believe even if you didn't believe in him as long as you were a good person i think you'd get into heaven. As long as your good sins outweigh your bad, and if you did something really horrible you'd have to devote the rest of your life to doing good deeds to make up for it.
I also believe in reincarnation.
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It's rude and obviously presumptuous to guess, but if I had to I'd peg you an atheist. An angry atheist.
Not even close. First off, having a mere mortal mind....I'm not arrogant enough to believe that we could ever have a true bigger picture understanding of creation or the cosmos. Its like an earthworm in the ground trying to begin comprehend the society of humans, its just impossible.
I would call myself "searcher"...as I'm always open to clues and knowledge of why we are here, and what the "purpose" is to life. If you had to nail me down, I'm a big believer in a lot of the Ancient Alien lore, as I believe our existence is just one cycle of many on this planet. IF there is some all powerful deity out there lording over us, I compare it more to an "aquarium" for us humans. Sure the Creators might have given us an environment to thrive and live in, but just like anyone that owns fish you aren't watching over them every waking second guiding and dictating their lives....nor do you have significant emotional investment over each fishes well being. In a collective sense you want to have a nice aquarium with various life, but each separate entity in that aquarium can't be "saved" based on personal intervention, prayer, or much of anything else other than sustaining a decent place to live.
Also, I'm a strong believer in The Secret/Laws of Attraction....as I've seen firsthand the blessings (and scurges) of that kind of practice. Its an easy ideology to understand, but VERY difficult to master however.
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Also, I'm a strong believer in The Secret/Laws of Attraction....as I've seen firsthand the blessings (and scurges) of that kind of practice. Its an easy ideology to understand, but VERY difficult to master however.
What the thinker thinks, the prover proves.
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Agnostic. Religious belief or a wonder of a 'higher power' never occur to me.
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I believe there's a god above me, I'm just the god of everything else- Pusha T
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Dionysus is smart as fuck.
Kudos.
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I've always considered ignosticism to be a particularly sensible way of approaching a religious discussion.
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i am "mormon" technically but in reality i dont give a shit.
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i am "mormon" technically but in reality i dont give a shit.
Then you aren't Mormon.
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I'm agnostic. The closest thing I can relate to politically is anarchism, though I don't consider myself one. I believe that anyone should be allowed to believe what they want and do what they want as long as it doesn't cause any harm to anyone else or interfere with their lives negatively. Live and let live. I don't believe in revenge, though I have vengeful tendencies and am imperfect. I'm also a bit of a nihilist. I have a hard time accepting that everything means something so I tend to enjoy a bit of chaos and disorder. This is kind of a tough one.
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"everything that i think happens happens"
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Shamanism was the first "religion." All religions were derived from Shamanism and were later hijacked by psychopaths for power and control. Jesus, Mohammed, Buddha, etc. They were all shamans. I don't really believe or disbelieve anything though. How could we form such opinions? We truly have no clue about anything. We're not able to perceive the vast majority of reality and that which we do perceive is distorted by our own humanity. I think that essentially we all have the potential to be as gods, but that those in power keep us enslaved. I believe that we should work to empower each other and to worship in Good Faith however we choose to do so.
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anyone that claims to have any god worship needs to do one thing:
provide a single piece of proof that follows evidentiary procedure that their deity is real and not a figment of some sick and twisted bastards imagination
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anyone that claims to have any god worship needs to do one thing:
provide a single piece of proof that follows evidentiary procedure that their deity is real and not a figment of some sick and twisted bastards imagination
Or what? You piss your diaper and cry some more? Is that what happens then?
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anyone that claims to have any god worship needs to do one thing:
provide a single piece of proof that follows evidentiary procedure that their deity is real and not a figment of some sick and twisted bastards imagination
Or what? You piss your diaper and cry some more? Is that what happens then?
it proves my point that there is no god
and...that i would enjoy dressing you up in a diaper and baby bonnet and letting you pretend my third leg is your favorite pacifier
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So you'd like to have sex with a man dressed as a baby?
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anyone that claims to have any god worship needs to do one thing:
provide a single piece of proof that follows evidentiary procedure that their deity is real and not a figment of some sick and twisted bastards imagination
Or what? You piss your diaper and cry some more? Is that what happens then?
it proves my point that there is no god
and...that i would enjoy dressing you up in a diaper and baby bonnet and letting you pretend my third leg is your favorite pacifier
Quoted for future use.
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So you'd like to have sex with a man dressed as a baby?
considering yourself a 'man' is taking a bit more license than you are justified in doing so
'bitch' would be more appropriate.
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For me it's all a hodgepodge value system of Paganism, Buddhism and Satanism all without superstition. Superstition is all just theory and a waste of time. It's the fundamental reason for mindless sectarian conflict. People are killed everyday just for not believing in something that can't even be proven until they're dead, how funny would it be if we were to somehow find out that every suicide bomber, every Jihadist, every "Shahid" were all just cast away to Hell immediately after they martyred themselves. That would be splendid but I'm just real ambivalent on believing that there could be only one true religion, only one true God to adhere to. Thomas Jefferson cut apart and reconstructed the Bible without any of the miracles and supernatural events, it follows the life of Jesus Christ as if he were a real person performing good deeds just for the sake of being a humanitarian tending to the basic moral needs of all human beings. I'm sure it would be tedious and boring to read but I think that's kind of the point.
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Please ramble away, good friend :)
We need to put forth the effort if this forum is to last.
lol when admin is giving instructions like this to *shudders* zek, to tell , us, im sorry im done zoklet
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Wow, what a great thread!
Many of the posts in this thread confirm what scholars have been saying about religion in the 21st century: we are Spiritual not Religious; Seekers instead of Dwellers; We draw our religious beliefs from a variety of disparate sources, some ancient some new; We are "Sheila-ists" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sheilaism) in the sense that we follow our own individual intuition when it comes to religious belief, rather than blindly listening to some external authority.
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I believe do what you want survival of the fittest
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I'm agnostic. The closest thing I can relate to politically is anarchism, though I don't consider myself one. I believe that anyone should be allowed to believe what they want and do what they want as long as it doesn't cause any harm to anyone else or interfere with their lives negatively. Live and let live. I don't believe in revenge, though I have vengeful tendencies and am imperfect.
How could this work? You say yourself you have vengeful tendencies and aren't perfect. So knowing this you should be able to see that in a world with no government where people live and let live that there will be some people effecting other people negatively. Everyone has violent tendencies their natural. You can not live in peace. People should start accepting this and realize we are just animals too and just accept what I call the "demon" and release it. Let's go back to the primitive and natural law and the art of nothing. I am not saying we are all evil bloodthirsty serial killers I just believe nature has a way of working things out. In primitive society wuen we were hunter gatherers there would be no reason to go and kill a whole group of people unless they had something you needed like food or were a threat too you. There was natural law you lived to survive you killed what you needed to survive. Unlike now adays a couple mega corporations own most of the food. Sure you can try to be self sustainable in modern society but the government makes it as hard as possible without having some source of income to pay for the taxes and permits. So you have to go to work to buy food at walmart. They have put food and water and all the meaning of life in a locked box and the key is now money. So you are pretty much forced to work to live. The difference between modern work and primitive work was work now a days is a lot more demanding and time consuming along with meaningless and unfulfilling.
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I guess I'm an Atheist, but I really don't like the label/name, just sounds douchey. I think when you die, you just rot in the ground forever. A God who, obviously knowing no other option, decides to have his son tortured to death for "your sins". I may have been a bit naive as a teenager, but, even if this were true, this just screams "I'm obviously the best thing to ever happen to you", keep trolling for attention.
Also, he's fucking god, can't he just do whatever he wants without having to kill people, let alone his own son? That being sad, there being no god, I'm not dismissing bad things, you still shouldn't kill/rob/rape people, but that's more of a common sense thing.
If anything, it motivates me to even accomplish more with my life in the small 75 or so years I have alive. I think a lot of Atheists go the whole "life is meaningless, so fuck it" type route, which I admit attracts a lot of people, especially people just looking for that particular excuse. No, your life is still important, meaningful, and a winnable fight even if there is no after life, which makes even more people(probably) waste their life as well "if I don't drink/do drugs/ devote 18 hours a day to worship, God will accept me" meanwhile they're wasting their life just like the people who say fuck it. I'll write more later, but these are the main things why I am the way I am.
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Shamanism was the first "religion." All religions were derived from Shamanism and were later hijacked by psychopaths for power and control. Jesus, Mohammed, Buddha, etc. They were all shamans. I don't really believe or disbelieve anything though. How could we form such opinions? We truly have no clue about anything. We're not able to perceive the vast majority of reality and that which we do perceive is distorted by our own humanity. I think that essentially we all have the potential to be as gods, but that those in power keep us enslaved. I believe that we should work to empower each other and to worship in Good Faith however we choose to do so.
Shamanism (/ˈʃɑːmən/ shah-mən or /ˈʃeɪmən/ shay-mən) is a practice that involves a practitioner reaching altered states of consciousness in order to encounter and interact with the spirit world and channel these transcendental energies into this world.[2] A shaman is a person regarded as having access to, and influence in, the world of benevolent and malevolent spirits, who typically enters into a trance state during a ritual, and practices divination and healing.[3]
Jesus obviously was not a shaman, to call him as much is to abuse the word to the point of making it meaningless. Neither christians nor jesus believed in the shamanistic notion of spirits.
Anyway, I'm an atheist (inb4 "derp derp tips fedora" go fuck yourself) and a materialist. Epistemologically I hold to a very weak form of empirical anti-realism (a la pre-naturalist Hume but a little less depressing). For an ethics I flipflop between Millsian and Benthamite utilitarianism, but usually find myself in the Bentham camp. And I flirt with the idea of process ontology but metaphysics isn't really my cup of tea and I can't claim to have a really firm grasp of the field and various positions therein.
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My beliefs most closely resemble Buddhism. I can expand on this later, when I'm not in bed on my phone :P
You never expanded.
Is it safe for me to assume that one of the reasons you like Buddhism is because, unlike some religions, being a degenerate faggot doesn't automatically result in being thrown into a pit of boiling lava in the next life, or stoned to death in this one?
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Karma and Samsara aren't that easy.
Zek is fucked in Buddhism, too. Don't worry.
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Other religions aren't necessarily like that either. Tons of gay and trans Christians of various kinds. But yeah that was part of the appeal at first.
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Other religions aren't necessarily like that either. Tons of gay and trans Christians of various kinds. But yeah that was part of the appeal at first.
And I'm pretty sure they're all going to burn in Hell.
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Are you a Christian, Slave?
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Are you a Christian, Slave?
I was raised Catholic, which is why I now have such a strong allergy to bullshit.
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anyone that claims to have any god worship needs to do one thing:
provide a single piece of proof that follows evidentiary procedure that their deity is real and not a figment of some sick and twisted bastards imagination
Or a product of wishful thinking.
I was raised catholic myself, but I called bullshit on that when I was about 10, a lot it was just too anti-logic and pro-authority for me to swallow. Went agnostic for a while, then spent most of high school calling myself a wiccan (a moral system that boils down to 'don't mess with people' was very appealing to me), but now I'm just a plain old atheist.
But not one of those asshole atheists that tells everyone that they're wrong about stuff. Unless your religious beliefs are actively harmful (which can be anything from snake handling to 'jesus will fix it when he comes back, let's pollute some more'), or you're trying to cram it down my throat, I keep my yap shut. Otherwise, I'm pretty good at beating people over the head with their own theology.
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Atheist, no point in fucking around with it if its obviously not true.
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The easiest way for me to describe my beliefs would be an agnostic deist psuedo-buddhist. If you were to ask me if I believed in a god I would tell you "There might be a god, if there is- science will eventually prove him/her/it/us/you/me/them. I don't give a flying fuck what you believe in as long as you leave me alone in my beliefs"
I actually really enjoy talking to theists and learning about their beliefs, it's really nice when they'll actually discuss it with you and go into detail and answer your questions satisfyingly. I had an opportunity to talk for quite a fucking while to this MEGA devout christian and while I disagreed with most of what he said- I just kept asking questions without judgement and found his belief system to be rather interesting. This was a man who followed the bible LITERALLY word for word, he was the most devout christian I had ever met. Gave me some perspective.
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the devil has many agents most of which are female. i sold my soul for nothing one time and this chick walked up to me and just flashed a black screen on her iphone at me. happened in slo mo and i knew what it was so i opened my bible and it said she is bound by satan she will seduce you and i will forgive you if you repent. seduce just means to bring away from what is right. i never belived before and i was an athiest till this happened.
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the devil has many agents most of which are female. i sold my soul for nothing one time and this chick walked up to me and just flashed a black screen on her iphone at me. happened in slo mo and i knew what it was so i opened my bible and it said she is bound by satan she will seduce you and i will forgive you if you repent. seduce just means to bring away from what is right. i never belived before and i was an athiest till this happened.
If this is true I may have to test. What kind of location/situation was did this take place.
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the devil has many agents most of which are female. i sold my soul for nothing one time and this chick walked up to me and just flashed a black screen on her iphone at me. happened in slo mo and i knew what it was so i opened my bible and it said she is bound by satan she will seduce you and i will forgive you if you repent. seduce just means to bring away from what is right. i never belived before and i was an athiest till this happened.
If this is true I may have to test. What kind of location/situation was did this take place.
she was selling me spice and i got so high i sold my soul for nothing and next time i went in she just kinda flashed her phone at me like 'there you go" ya kno....and then it all made fucking sense you gotta look at the fruit the tree bears. i will never forget it ever. in .my.life. fucking NUTS!!! god was like watch this foo
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anyone that claims to have any god worship needs to do one thing:
provide a single piece of proof that follows evidentiary procedure that their deity is real and not a figment of some sick and twisted bastards imagination
Or a product of wishful thinking.
I was raised catholic myself, but I called bullshit on that when I was about 10, a lot it was just too anti-logic and pro-authority for me to swallow. Went agnostic for a while,then spent most of high school calling myself a wiccan (a moral system that boils down to 'don't mess with people' was very appealing to me), but now I'm just a plain old atheist.
But not one of those asshole atheists that tells everyone that they're wrong about stuff. Unless your religious beliefs are actively harmful (which can be anything from snake handling to 'jesus will fix it when he comes back, let's pollute some more'), or you're trying to cram it down my throat, I keep my yap shut. Otherwise, I'm pretty good at beating people over the head with their own theology.
To be fair Catholicism has little to do with the teachings of Christ. The ethic of reciprocity is the keystone to Christ's teachings; "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you". The Vatican Papacy began fundamentally ignoring this rule once it became the pinnacle of a hierarchical pan-European social, financial and military power structure. Consequently there have been very few Popes in the last 1500 years who Jesus wouldn't have delivered a flying headbutt to on sight.
BTW, Wiccanism is for edgy teenage girls who cut themselves. Sorry.
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Largely it is yeah. It's also for attention whoring, and pissing off parents.