Society => News of the World => Topic started by: Prometheus on November 18, 2014, 08:43:33 pm
Title: Asia Carrera wears Pastafarian headgear for drivers liscense photo
Post by: Prometheus on November 18, 2014, 08:43:33 pm
Utah Woman Wears Colander For Driver’s License Photo As Religious Statement (http://sacramento.cbslocal.com/2014/11/18/utah-woman-wears-colander-for-drivers-license-photo-as-religious-statement/)
SALT LAKE CITY (AP) – A Utah woman says she encountered only brief resistance when she recently had her driver’s license photo taken while wearing a colander on her head as a religious statement.
Asia Lemmon, whose legal name appears on her driver’s license as Jessica Steinhauser, said the pasta strainer represents her beliefs in the satirical Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster.
The Flying Spaghetti Monster movement, also known as “Pastafarianism,” started in 2005 as a protest against teaching intelligent design as an alternative to evolution in Kansas schools.
When she had the photo taken Sept. 29, Lemmon said she wasn’t sure if officials at the Division of Motor Vehicles office in Hurricane would allow her to wear the headgear, but “it was surprisingly really, really easy.”
Nannette Rolfe, the director of Utah’s Driver License Division, said about a dozen Pastafarians have had their state driver’s license photos taken with a similar colander or pasta strainer on their heads in recent years.
“As long as we can get a visual of the face, we’re fine if they choose to wear the headgear,” she said.
Hats and headgear are not allowed for driver’s license photos unless they’re religious garments, Rolfe said. After the first few Pastafarians came in about two years ago, state officials determined the church is a recognized religion and its members don’t require any special paperwork, she said.
Lemmon, a St. George resident, is a former porn star who performed under the name Asia Carrera, The Spectrum of St. George reported Monday (http://bit.ly/1xDEkdk ).
She said she wanted to make a statement with the photo.
“I’m a really proud, outspoken atheist,” she said. “I am proud of Utah for allowing freedom of all religions in what is considered by many to be a one-religion state.”
About two-thirds of the state’s residents are Mormons, and Utah is home to The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.
Lemmon said even though Utah is a conservative state, everyone has been respectful of her religious views.
Copyright 2014 The Associated Press.
Title: Re: Asia Carrera wears Pastafarian headgear for drivers liscense photo
Post by: equanimity on November 18, 2014, 08:47:11 pm
This sort of thing is really silly.
Title: Re: Asia Carrera wears Pastafarian headgear for drivers liscense photo
Post by: Prometheus on November 18, 2014, 10:56:44 pm
Yeah, but that is kinda the point in the first place.
Title: Re: Asia Carrera wears Pastafarian headgear for drivers liscense photo
Post by: equanimity on November 18, 2014, 11:03:29 pm
Guess I meant to say mean-spirited and pointless. This is why I don't really care for Richard Dawkins and his brand of angry atheism- a person secure in their own beliefs shouldn't feel a need to make fun of others for what they believe.
Title: Re: Asia Carrera wears Pastafarian headgear for drivers liscense photo
Post by: mashleshmash on November 18, 2014, 11:44:42 pm
I think I heard about this.
Title: Re: Asia Carrera wears Pastafarian headgear for drivers liscense photo
Post by: Prometheus on November 19, 2014, 12:35:11 am
I would, and have, called Pastafarians many things, but angry doesn't usually make the list. Yeah, it's poking fun at religion, but they're having fun with it. 99 times out of a hundred, when they offend someone it's solely because they are different and people don't like different. They might as well be Muslim, gay, black, or gay black Muslims.
I agree that Dawkins is an asshole, but if I dismissed what someone had to say just on that criteria, I would halve fled here immediately.
Title: Re: Asia Carrera wears Pastafarian headgear for drivers liscense photo
Post by: equanimity on November 19, 2014, 12:46:51 am
I would, and have, called Pastafarians many things, but angry doesn't usually make the list. Yeah, it's poking fun at religion, but they're having fun with it. 99 times out of a hundred, when they offend someone it's solely because they are different and people don't like different. They might as well be Muslim, gay, black, or gay black Muslims.
I agree that Dawkins is an asshole, but if I dismissed what someone had to say just on that criteria, I would halve fled here immediately.
I didn't mean that "Pastafarians" are angry, just that they're mean-spirited at times. And that meanness brought my mind around to Richard Dawkins. Who said anything about dismissing what he has to say? Guy's just a jerk.
Title: Re: Asia Carrera wears Pastafarian headgear for drivers liscense photo
Post by: Flowerz on November 19, 2014, 01:17:58 am
No, actually it isn't. Its much less silly then being allowed to get your picture taken for government issued ID while wearing full head gear because you believe in some completely retarded religion that has no proof for any of its claims. At least this is comical and it still shows your face.
Guess I meant to say mean-spirited and pointless. This is why I don't really care for Richard Dawkins and his brand of angry atheism- a person secure in their own beliefs shouldn't feel a need to make fun of others for what they believe.
Mean spirited? How so? If you have the gall to insist your bullshit religion is real you best have the fucking hall to tolerate other peoples religions, or their making fun of yours.
"This is why I don't really care for Richard Dawkins "
..... :facepalm:
Ok got it. Do you support complete and total anarchy? No? Well then your statement of "a person secure in their own beliefs shouldn't feel a need to make fun of others for what they believe." is complete and total horse shit. You are objectively saying that so long as you are content with your own world view, you shouldn't care what anyone else does or do anything to inhibit them from doing it.
What do you think about people that believe trannys should be shot on general principle? Do you care? How about people who molest children? I mean you're secure, who gives a shit what they do, right? What about serial killing cannibals? Do they deserve to be judged?
When you live in a society, you judge other people and their beliefs. In this case, sane citizens have every right to criticize the fact that the government grants special rights to fucking mentally insane people. Its a slippery slope. In my country, sikh boys are allowed to bring fucking swords to their grade schools. Where the fuck is the line drawn exactly?
If you object to people criticizing aspects of society move the fuck into the middle of forest and eat squirrels and bark in peaceful solitude, or better yet, just shut the fuck up about shit you clearly have no comprehension of. If aspects of society were not analyzed and criticized we would still be a bunch of wandering fucking barbarians and your face would have been eaten by some alpha caveman a long time ago.
Title: Re: Asia Carrera wears Pastafarian headgear for drivers liscense photo
Post by: equanimity on November 19, 2014, 02:06:13 am
Mean spirited? How so? If you have the gall to insist your bullshit religion is real you best have the fucking hall to tolerate other peoples religions, or their making fun of yours.
How is it mean spirited? They're mocking real religions, and the people that wear head coverings that have actual religious significance. I went to high school with a Christian girl who always wore head coverings, and sometimes people said really hurtful things to her for it. Religious tolerance is something all societies should strive for, and this comes across petty and mean- counterproductive, to say the least.
Ok got it. Do you support complete and total anarchy? No? Well then your statement of "a person secure in their own beliefs shouldn't feel a need to make fun of others for what they believe." is complete and total horse shit. You are objectively saying that so long as you are content with your own world view, you shouldn't care what anyone else does or do anything to inhibit them from doing it.
What do you think about people that believe trannys should be shot on general principle? Do you care? How about people who molest children? I mean you're secure, who gives a shit what they do, right? What about serial killing cannibals? Do they deserve to be judged?
Are you really comparing peaceful religious practice to murder and rape? Obviously the "live and let live" thing has limitations. You could have at least brought up some real issues, like religious groups wanting to tear down the division between church and state.
When you live in a society, you judge other people and their beliefs. In this case, sane citizens have every right to criticize the fact that the government grants special rights to fucking mentally insane people. Its a slippery slope. In my country, sikh boys are allowed to bring fucking swords to their grade schools. Where the fuck is the line drawn exactly?
Religious people aren't mentally ill. That's kind of a ridiculous claim.
Are the swords real? Read somewhere that they aren't even sharp these days, and are always pinned firmly to their clothing. I'd say the line is drawn at the point the rights of others are threatened. It's okay for you to believe and practice what you will, so long as I'm not forced into doing anything I don't want to do. The christian folk here that were trying to teach creationism in schools was a perfect example of religious expression crossing the line.
If you object to people criticizing aspects of society move the fuck into the middle of forest and eat squirrels and bark in peaceful solitude, or better yet, just shut the fuck up about shit you clearly have no comprehension of. If aspects of society were not analyzed and criticized we would still be a bunch of wandering fucking barbarians and your face would have been eaten by some alpha caveman a long time ago.
You're free to criticize whatever you want, but so am I. And you seem kinda unreasonable and mean.
Title: Re: Asia Carrera wears Pastafarian headgear for drivers liscense photo
Post by: Flowerz on November 19, 2014, 02:42:32 am
Mean spirited? How so? If you have the gall to insist your bullshit religion is real you best have the fucking hall to tolerate other peoples religions, or their making fun of yours.
How is it mean spirited? They're mocking real religions, and the people that wear head coverings that have actual religious significance. I went to high school with a Christian girl who always wore head coverings, and sometimes people said really hurtful things to her for it. Religious tolerance is something all societies should strive for, and this comes across petty and mean- counterproductive, to say the least.
Ok got it. Do you support complete and total anarchy? No? Well then your statement of "a person secure in their own beliefs shouldn't feel a need to make fun of others for what they believe." is complete and total horse shit. You are objectively saying that so long as you are content with your own world view, you shouldn't care what anyone else does or do anything to inhibit them from doing it.
What do you think about people that believe trannys should be shot on general principle? Do you care? How about people who molest children? I mean you're secure, who gives a shit what they do, right? What about serial killing cannibals? Do they deserve to be judged?
Are you really comparing peaceful religious practice to murder and rape? Obviously the "live and let live" thing has limitations. You could have at least brought up some real issues, like religious groups wanting to tear down the division between church and state.
When you live in a society, you judge other people and their beliefs. In this case, sane citizens have every right to criticize the fact that the government grants special rights to fucking mentally insane people. Its a slippery slope. In my country, sikh boys are allowed to bring fucking swords to their grade schools. Where the fuck is the line drawn exactly?
Religious people aren't mentally ill. That's kind of a ridiculous claim.
Are the swords real? Read somewhere that they aren't even sharp these days, and are always pinned firmly to their clothing. I'd say the line is drawn at the point the rights of others are threatened. It's okay for you to believe and practice what you will, so long as I'm not forced into doing anything I don't want to do. The christian folk here that were trying to teach creationism in schools was a perfect example of religious expression crossing the line.
If you object to people criticizing aspects of society move the fuck into the middle of forest and eat squirrels and bark in peaceful solitude, or better yet, just shut the fuck up about shit you clearly have no comprehension of. If aspects of society were not analyzed and criticized we would still be a bunch of wandering fucking barbarians and your face would have been eaten by some alpha caveman a long time ago.
You're free to criticize whatever you want, but so am I. And you seem kinda unreasonable and mean
If you don't think religious people are insane then there isn't any point in having a logical discussion/argument.
If I believe in something totally fucking insane and try to make the government believe me, I'm called insane, and get locked up in a hospital.
If I believe in something totally fucking insane, and get a group of people to believe it as well, were are called a cult.
If that totally insane cult gets enough members, then its called a religion, and then it gets special benefits, like tax breaks and the ability to not follow certain laws.
Make sense? No. No it doesn't.
Every religious person is either a coward, an idiot, or incapable of questioning things they are told, or some combination of those things. There is no proof for any of the religions. Anyone who believes in such absolutely crazy shit based on nothing is insane. Be quiet please.
Title: Re: Asia Carrera wears Pastafarian headgear for drivers liscense photo
Post by: Suicidal Fish on November 19, 2014, 02:57:26 am
Just another reason all Religion should be banned
Title: Re: Asia Carrera wears Pastafarian headgear for drivers liscense photo
Post by: equanimity on November 19, 2014, 03:09:58 am
Well, this lady got people talking. That's something worthwhile, and she's likely happy with her decision for that reason.
Guess maybe I was being too judgmental. Still seems mean, but whatever :P
Title: Re: Asia Carrera wears Pastafarian headgear for drivers liscense photo
Post by: Suicidal Fish on November 19, 2014, 03:17:38 am
When you live in a society, you judge other people and their beliefs. In this case, sane citizens have every right to criticize the fact that the government grants special rights to fucking mentally insane people. Its a slippery slope. In my country, sikh boys are allowed to bring fucking swords to their grade schools. Where the fuck is the line drawn exactly?
Religious people aren't mentally ill. That's kind of a ridiculous claim.
Are the swords real? Read somewhere that they aren't even sharp these days, and are always pinned firmly to their clothing. I'd say the line is drawn at the point the rights of others are threatened. It's okay for you to believe and practice what you will, so long as I'm not forced into doing anything I don't want to do. The christian folk here that were trying to teach creationism in schools was a perfect example of religious expression crossing the line.
I don't know about whatever country you're living in, but around here (Detroit area, USA) the knives that Sikh students wear are actually welded into the sheath. Because it has to be worn, not drawn, it's rare for either the schools or the Sikhs to have a problem with this.
Title: Re: Asia Carrera wears Pastafarian headgear for drivers liscense photo
Post by: Slave of the Beast on November 19, 2014, 08:49:29 am
When you live in a society, you judge other people and their beliefs. In this case, sane citizens have every right to criticize the fact that the government grants special rights to fucking mentally insane people. Its a slippery slope. In my country, sikh boys are allowed to bring fucking swords to their grade schools. Where the fuck is the line drawn exactly?
Religious people aren't mentally ill. That's kind of a ridiculous claim.
Are the swords real? Read somewhere that they aren't even sharp these days, and are always pinned firmly to their clothing. I'd say the line is drawn at the point the rights of others are threatened. It's okay for you to believe and practice what you will, so long as I'm not forced into doing anything I don't want to do. The christian folk here that were trying to teach creationism in schools was a perfect example of religious expression crossing the line.
People who believe the Universe was created and run by a deity and attribute desires and objectives to him1 are suffering from a delusion, of varying severity, that can harm themselves and other people, i.e. their beliefs are frequently pathological and therefore a mental illness. For example, people who espouse creationism are trying to harm you by increasing your level of ignorance and disabling your critical faculties. They inhibit the mental development of the young. Not only are they mentally ill, they actively try to spread their disease. As with so many mental illnesses the most socially effective solutions are containment and/or sterilization.
1) The smarter ones project their desire on to God and then state it's God's will. The sane ones who don't believe in any of the bullshit but tell others they do are probably running the show.
If you object to people criticizing aspects of society move the fuck into the middle of forest and eat squirrels and bark in peaceful solitude, or better yet, just shut the fuck up about shit you clearly have no comprehension of. If aspects of society were not analyzed and criticized we would still be a bunch of wandering fucking barbarians and your face would have been eaten by some alpha caveman a long time ago.
You're free to criticize whatever you want, but so am I. And you seem kinda unreasonable and mean.
No. He's logical and blunt, making him your polar opposite. This makes you uncomfortable, not comparatively reasonable and nice.
*Waits for Zek to derail alter the natural flow of the thread with personal statements.*
Title: Re: Asia Carrera wears Pastafarian headgear for drivers liscense photo
Post by: Cooking with Zyklon B on November 19, 2014, 09:28:45 am
Guess I meant to say mean-spirited and pointless. This is why I don't really care for Richard Dawkins and his brand of angry atheism- a person secure in their own beliefs shouldn't feel a need to make fun of others for what they believe.
I've read 'The God Delusion' (admittedly that's it) by Dawkins, and I didn't really get the feel of "angry atheism" out of that book. ...And I guess people secure in their own beliefs don't need to make fun of others, just off 'em. Here, you can hold on to my blanky while you step into that cold Iron Maiden. You should be glad people are just resorting to poking fun nowadays (at least in this part of the world).
No, actually it isn't. Its much less silly then being allowed to get your picture taken for government issued ID while wearing full head gear because you believe in some completely retarded religion that has no proof for any of its claims. At least this is comical and it still shows your face.
This I concur with. "religious persecution" for insisting that you want to conceal your face for an identification photo. Almost as ridiculous as claiming that it's somehow racist to require photo ID to cast a ballot.
How exactly does one behave like an "angry atheist"? Violently shake a piece of blank paper?
When I see the two words angry atheist together, I'd be more prone to think of Nietzsche before Dawkins on any day of the week.
Fun fact: I damned near finished 'The God Delusion' while trying to ignore a crack rabbit preacher on the bus from Seattle. I couldn't resist nonchalantly pulling out that book and cracking it open as he goes on and on about what a fucking godly(For such a pious person he used excessive profanity to underscore how devout he was) person he was, and all his bad decisions were the equivalent of satan holding a gun to his head.
Title: Re: Asia Carrera wears Pastafarian headgear for drivers liscense photo
Post by: equanimity on November 19, 2014, 06:33:43 pm
Dawkins on his anger:
Almost posted one of the videos with him screaming at people in public, but this seemed fairer.
Title: Re: Asia Carrera wears Pastafarian headgear for drivers liscense photo
Post by: equanimity on November 19, 2014, 09:18:53 pm
These conversations tend to start off on the wrong foot because people see religious belief and rationality as being at odds. They're not; they simply exist in entirely different realms of thought and experience. Of course religion isn't going to stand up to science in a debate based on logic and empirical evidence. Religion is irrational and subjective, though in this context those words are not synonymous with "false". They are different methods of seeking specific types of truths, and neither is more important than the other. This is why I take issue with certain Christian beliefs as well, like those "Christian scientists" saying that the earth is 6,000 years old. That's religious thought making a failed attempt at existing in rational terms, whereas what you're doing is trying to force rationality onto the ineffable and immeasurable experiences of spirituality. Rationality and spirituality. Logic and myth. Science and religion. The ancient Greeks of course referred to these as logos and mythos, respectfully.
The kinds of questions we explore in each of these methods of obtaining knowledge and wisdom are different from one another. Science may ask, "How did life come into existence?" while spirituality may wonder, "For what purpose does life exist?"
Again, it is a mistake for religion to proclaim that their truths are scientifically true. In saying that "Adam was created of mud and stone," a creation myth is not meaning that's what literally happened. Myths are written in the language of symbolism, metaphor, exaggeration and deep emotion. To interpret them in the realm of reason misses the point entirely.
I've been watching some interesting Dawkins stuff on youtube today, and something that really struck me was that at one point he said that wondering about the purpose of existence is simply an invalid question. He likened it to being ridiculously curious about the color of jealousy. And he's totally right, within the confines of rational thought there is absolutely no reason to ask such questions. Moving out of that place though, we find that jealousy is green and purpose can be an unexplainable religious experience.
These conversations tend to start off on the wrong foot because people see religious belief and rationality as being at odds. They're not; they simply exist in entirely different realms of thought and experience. Of course religion isn't going to stand up to science in a debate based on logic and empirical evidence. Religion is irrational and subjective, though in this context those words are not synonymous with "false". They are different methods of seeking specific types of truths, and neither is more important than the other. This is why I take issue with certain Christian beliefs as well, like those "Christian scientists" saying that the earth is 6,000 years old. That's religious thought making a failed attempt at existing in rational terms, whereas what you're doing is trying to force rationality onto the ineffable and immeasurable experiences of spirituality. Rationality and spirituality. Logic and myth. Science and religion. The ancient Greeks of course referred to these as logos and mythos, respectfully.
The kinds of questions we explore in each of these methods of obtaining knowledge and wisdom are different from one another. Science may ask, "How did life come into existence?" while spirituality may wonder, "For what purpose does life exist?"
Again, it is a mistake for religion to proclaim that their truths are scientifically true. In saying that "Adam was created of mud and stone," a creation myth is not meaning that's what literally happened. Myths are written in the language of symbolism, metaphor, exaggeration and deep emotion. To interpret them in the realm of reason misses the point entirely.
I've been watching some interesting Dawkins stuff on youtube today, and something that really struck me was that at one point he said that wondering about the purpose of existence is simply an invalid question. He likened it to being ridiculously curious about the color of jealousy. And he's totally right, within the confines of rational thought there is absolutely no reason to ask such questions. Moving out of that place though, we find that jealousy is green and purpose can be an unexplainable religious experience.
*Waits for Zek to derail alter the natural flow of the thread with personal statements.*
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Again, you are fundamentally confused about basic terms and concepts and have no idea what you are talking about.
"These conversations tend to start off on the wrong foot because people see religious belief and rationality as being at odds."
...They are.
You then proceed to try and defend this point by painting religion as philosophy and then defending philosophy :facepalm:. Religion is not the same thing as philosophy.
Religion is completely false, retarded, and insane. Science is the study of nature using observation and experiments. Philosophy is essentially the same thing, but without any physical experiments. "For what purpose does life exist?" is philosophy, not religion. You seem confused as to the actual definition of the words you are trying (failing) to argue about. Religions use philosophy to manipulate stupid people and make them believe something that has no evidence to support it is in fact a concrete fact. The abomination that is religion was created as a result of ancient humans failing at philosophy and then abusing the concepts to manipulate people. So yes, religion and rationality are directly at odds with each other, if you disagree, you do not understand one or both of the terms.
Title: Re: Asia Carrera wears Pastafarian headgear for drivers liscense photo
Post by: equanimity on November 20, 2014, 12:20:28 am
Again, you are fundamentally confused about basic terms and concepts and have no idea what you are talking about.
"These conversations tend to start off on the wrong foot because people see religious belief and rationality as being at odds."
...They are.
You then proceed to try and defend this point by painting religion as philosophy and then defending philosophy :facepalm:. Religion is not the same thing as philosophy.
Religion is completely false, retarded, and insane. Science is the study of nature using observation and experiments. Philosophy is essentially the same thing, but without any physical experiments. "For what purpose does life exist?" is philosophy, not religion. You seem confused as to the actual definition of the words you are trying (failing) to argue about. Religions use philosophy to manipulate stupid people and make them believe something that has no evidence to support it is in fact a concrete fact. The abomination that is religion was created as a result of ancient humans failing at philosophy and then abusing the concepts to manipulate people. So yes, religion and rationality are directly at odds with each other, if you disagree, you do not understand one or both of the terms.
Philosophy isn't exclusive to the "mythos" side of things. This shouldn't even need to be said, considering that "logic" is a subset of philosophy. Philosophy of religion is another, and a very important aspect of the larger religion thing. Religion is like sets of communally shared beliefs and practices based around religious philosophical thought. I'm not sure how you're confusing philosophy, mythos, and religion; but you are.
To be fair, a lot of people these days interpret their chosen religions literally. That sort of thing, to me, makes very little sense. But I consider myself to be religious, and have found a lot of meaning in various religious teachings and practices when viewed through the lens of mythos. Science is scrutinized and understood, while religion is explored faithfully and experienced. Does this not make sense?
Title: Re: Asia Carrera wears Pastafarian headgear for drivers liscense photo
Post by: Flowerz on November 20, 2014, 12:52:14 am
Again, you are fundamentally confused about basic terms and concepts and have no idea what you are talking about.
"These conversations tend to start off on the wrong foot because people see religious belief and rationality as being at odds."
...They are.
You then proceed to try and defend this point by painting religion as philosophy and then defending philosophy :facepalm:. Religion is not the same thing as philosophy.
Religion is completely false, retarded, and insane. Science is the study of nature using observation and experiments. Philosophy is essentially the same thing, but without any physical experiments. "For what purpose does life exist?" is philosophy, not religion. You seem confused as to the actual definition of the words you are trying (failing) to argue about. Religions use philosophy to manipulate stupid people and make them believe something that has no evidence to support it is in fact a concrete fact. The abomination that is religion was created as a result of ancient humans failing at philosophy and then abusing the concepts to manipulate people. So yes, religion and rationality are directly at odds with each other, if you disagree, you do not understand one or both of the terms.
Philosophy isn't exclusive to the "mythos" side of things. This shouldn't even need to be said, considering that "logic" is a subset of philosophy. Philosophy of religion is another, and a very important aspect of the larger religion thing. Religion is like sets of communally shared beliefs and practices based around religious philosophical thought. I'm not sure how you're confusing philosophy, mythos, and religion; but you are.
To be fair, a lot of people these days interpret their chosen religions literally. That sort of thing, to me, makes very little sense. But I consider myself to be religious, and have found a lot of meaning in various religious teachings and practices when viewed through the lens of mythos. Science is scrutinized and understood, while religion is explored faithfully and experienced. Does this not make sense?
No, it does not. You clearly do not understand that religion =/= philosophy. You also brought up logic, which was just ironic. You then mentioned some shit about mythos, which has nothing to do with anything, which is when I skipped to the end of you post and vowed to not read anything you ever write if it is longer than 2 sentences.
FYI, the actual definition for philosophy is "Philosophy is the study of general and fundamental problems, such as those connected with reality, existence, knowledge, values, reason, mind, and language." The definition of religion is "the belief in and worship of a superhuman controlling power, especially a personal God or gods."
As I tried to explain (and failed apparently), philosophy has nothing to do with region. Religion does however have something to do with philosophy in the sense that religion uses philosophical premises to manipulate people into worshiping something. I won't be reading your reply, act accordingly.
Title: Re: Asia Carrera wears Pastafarian headgear for drivers liscense photo
Post by: equanimity on November 20, 2014, 01:16:46 am
No, it does not. You clearly do not understand that religion =/= philosophy. You also brought up logic, which was just ironic. You then mentioned some shit about mythos, which has nothing to do with anything, which is when I skipped to the end of you post and vowed to not read anything you ever write if it is longer than 2 sentences.
FYI, the actual definition for philosophy is "Philosophy is the study of general and fundamental problems, such as those connected with reality, existence, knowledge, values, reason, mind, and language." The definition of religion is "the belief in and worship of a superhuman controlling power, especially a personal God or gods."
As I tried to explain (and failed apparently), philosophy has nothing to do with region. Religion does however have something to do with philosophy in the sense that religion uses philosophical premises to manipulate people into worshiping something. I won't be reading your reply, act accordingly.
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Title: Re: Asia Carrera wears Pastafarian headgear for drivers liscense photo
Post by: Satyr on November 20, 2014, 06:48:20 am
"Think of all the pain they have to endure, just to appease a meaningless entity". Wouldn't you agree, Zek? I'd say that's why religion's fucked.
Title: Re: Asia Carrera wears Pastafarian headgear for drivers liscense photo
Post by: equanimity on November 20, 2014, 07:30:28 am
"Think of all the pain they have to endure, just to appease a meaningless entity". Wouldn't you agree, Zek? I'd say that's why religion's fucked.
Religious people tend to be happier than the non-religious. This is likely due to the social and community aspects of religion, but yeah.
Social and community aspects of religion? Yeah, maybe that helps for sure. Maybe it also helps thinking that everything has a purpose, that there is a reason for everything, that good will triumph over evil in the end, that you will be rewarded for your pious life, that when you die, you will go to a better place, be reunited with your loved ones. Religion brings a definite (false) answer to all of the philosophical questions that man naturally asks, which have no real answer. Religion completes our naturally curious mindset (which would otherwise be destined to remain incomplete) and ties everything in a neat little bow. It answers all the hard questions with the answers we all want to hear. Its gives us solace in the chaos, it assures us in the darkness, gives us motivation in our most desperate moments, and comfort in happier times. Religion falsely but convincingly answers all the hard philosophical questions that curious individual might happen to ask. It unites us in our differences, bringing reason, purpose and utter assurance to a reality in which none of those things should logically exist. Yes, religious people may be happier, I have no doubt.
For that matter, so are people with downs syndrome. Consider that and draw whatever parallels you are capable of. Also be sure to keep your replies under three sentences if you desire a reply.
Title: Re: Asia Carrera wears Pastafarian headgear for drivers liscense photo
Post by: JasonVorhees on November 21, 2014, 03:40:32 am
isn't asia Carrera a pornstar lol
Title: Re: Asia Carrera wears Pastafarian headgear for drivers liscense photo
Post by: equanimity on November 21, 2014, 10:31:16 am
Social and community aspects of religion? Yeah, maybe that helps for sure. Maybe it also helps thinking that everything has a purpose, that there is a reason for everything, that good will triumph over evil in the end, that you will be rewarded for your pious life, that when you die, you will go to a better place, be reunited with your loved ones. Religion brings a definite (false) answer to all of the philosophical questions that man naturally asks, which have no real answer. Religion completes our naturally curious mindset (which would otherwise be destined to remain incomplete) and ties everything in a neat little bow. It answers all the hard questions with the answers we all want to hear. Its gives us solace in the chaos, it assures us in the darkness, gives us motivation in our most desperate moments, and comfort in happier times. Religion falsely but convincingly answers all the hard philosophical questions that curious individual might happen to ask. It unites us in our differences, bringing reason, purpose and utter assurance to a reality in which none of those things should logically exist. Yes, religious people may be happier, I have no doubt.
For that matter, so are people with downs syndrome. Consider that and draw whatever parallels you are capable of. Also be sure to keep your replies under three sentences if you desire a reply.
3 sentences? I spent three years working very closely with some people who have down syndrome and saw them experience the range of emotions we all do; including a lot of anger and sadness. Your comparison would be ridiculous even if it were true, and it's not.
Title: Re: Asia Carrera wears Pastafarian headgear for drivers liscense photo
Post by: Satyr on November 21, 2014, 04:12:45 pm
Did you help them by buying tape and charcoal?
Title: Re: Asia Carrera wears Pastafarian headgear for drivers liscense photo
Post by: Prometheus on November 25, 2014, 10:25:40 am