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Carnality => Better Living Through Chemistry => Topic started by: cookster3000 on November 12, 2014, 06:25:44 pm
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Hi
I was looking into diff meth rxns as I am tired of the bullshit drug that mcat is. It`s so short acting and I became bored of it pretty quick, so I decided to readup on meth synths.
The Rp/I looks the easiest but scrapping so much mbs is too time consuming. I can`t afford to scrape rp in my house... or any other friends house etc. And I don`t have the necessary time either... :(
So I stumbled over this s`nb stuff a while ago... it looks pretty fkn simple but I don`t really wanna blow half a hand off without knowing >:( ... so I have a few Q`s:
1. Why add the water (even that little ammount) ? The Lithium will heat up the solvents and shit and explode...
2. Why not do it in a pressure cooker or something similar... for small ammounts this sounds pretty safe ...
3. I tried reading up on this problem but didn`t have any real luck.. Can I substitute Ammonium Nitrate with Ammonium chloride? I`ve seen some threads stating that any ammonia salt will work the same.. Like with ammonium chloride (NH4Cl + NaOH --> NaCl (aq) + H2O + NH3 .. so nh3 is made just like in the case of the AN snb.
4. Also, will gasoline work as a NP ? It`s the only zippo fluid that I can grab..
5. Won`t premixing the materials be safer..? As in dropping it over Li and all the sudo THEN pouring the NP? Or pouring the np first, then Li, then all the other stuff.. then cap the press cooker and praying ?
English is not my primary language so bare w me. :roll:
Thanks in advance
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4. Also, will gasoline work as a NP ? It`s the only zippo fluid that I can grab..
I wouldnt think so. I believe the purity of something like coleman camp fuel is far higher than whatever gasoline you would go with. I mean if you could find a way to somehow separate the reformates used in the production high octane gasoline from the finished product you may be on to something but that would be one hell of a process and it would be easier to pick up some coleman camp fuel anyway.
Also why cant you scrape rp at your house or a friends? If you can't do something as simple as that I don't see how you are going to be able to go through an actual cook so I would say unless you have a place to do your chemistry and can acquire the proper materials you definitely shouldn't be cooking.
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4. Also, will gasoline work as a NP ? It`s the only zippo fluid that I can grab..
I wouldnt think so. I believe the purity of something like coleman camp fuel is far higher than whatever gasoline you would go with. I mean if you could find a way to somehow separate the reformates used in the production high octane gasoline from the finished product you may be on to something but that would be one hell of a process and it would be easier to pick up some coleman camp fuel anyway.
And I can`t scrape mbrp because it`s time consuming (I have a job n shit).. and I`m very paranoid about it.. Also I like the sound of a 2 hour rxn.
Also why cant you scrape rp at your house or a friends? If you can't do something as simple as that I don't see how you are going to be able to go through an actual cook so I would say unless you have a place to do your chemistry and can acquire the proper materials you definitely shouldn't be cooking.
[img]http://www.abload.de/img/benzin_de_allea08k.jpg[/img]
This is what I`m talking about. It says benzynen (translator says Gasoline / Benzene). If I search I little I can acquire camping fuel. Just thought any Zippo Fluid would work.
I can`t scrap mbrp because it is very time consuming (I have a job n shit). Also the sound of a 2 hour rxn is golden
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Adding water speeds up the reaction, a little cap full wont make it explode. Never heard anyone using a PC, you can try, I wouldn't. Do not use gasoline. I have not read over this synth yet but this is what you want http://mirror.bagelwood.com/textfiles/uploads/metanf.txt . Read every step and fully understand what the fuck your doing before attempting anything. Alot of synths you see on the webs are bullshit but atleast with this its not going to blow up in your face. Dont shake n bake.
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I thought you meant like petrol gasoline. The shit that goes in cars. What you have there should be sufficient. Ill link you to some info that may be useful to your red phosphorus problem but it will still probably be a little time consuming. Nothing near time consuming as scraping though.
Extracting Red Phosphorus from Matchbooks:
Rip off matchbook covers. Line up as many matchbook covers as you can cut through with tin snips or good, sharp scissors. Cut out and save all the striking strips.
Drill 3/4" hole in the lid of the 5 gallon bucket. Put the mud mixer through 3/4" hole in lid and into the drill.
Dump the 200 matchbook boxes worth of striking strips (10,000 striking strips) into the 5 gallon bucket. Pour 1.5 gallons of acetone into the bucket. Cover bucket by inserting mud mixer then snapping on the lid.
Mix Contents for about 5 minutes. Check to see if strips are mostly white on account of the phosphorous/glue being washed off. If not then continue mixing.
Take off the lid and pull out mixer. Put the strainer on the cooking pot and pour all the acetone in. Pull out all strips from strainer and bucket and place on clean table or in a bowl. The strips will be covered in residual red phosphorus, so rinse them by placing the strainer on bucket and throwing a handful of strips in it. Then slowly pour some of the acetone in the cooking pot, through the strainer until strips are clean. Empty strainer into garbage. Continue until all strips are rinsed.
Pour all the acetone/RP into the cooking pot. Let the RP settle for about 15 minutes. Slowly pour off the acetone. Keep pouring as long as the acetone is pretty clear. The last bit of acetone will be reddish colored. Filter this through a coffee filter in the strainer. Scrape the mushy RP back into the pot or dry the filters, roll and ball them up well, then unfold. All the RP will fall right out in a dust.
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Also you should link us to or post your recipe. As the above post states you don't want to get yourself blown to bits and with this many questions I would have no problem going over the chemistry in your synth and ensuring its relative safety.
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I have read pretty much every TEK on this matter, including Li`s metHod and a few similar ones. Even the one you posted. I was hoping someone with a little snb experience could chime in...
LE. Thanks for the info on gasoline. The recipe I will use will be Li`s Method posted by meff_head:
http://www.intosanctuary.com/index.php?topic=285.0
Thanks a lot
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Methylamine synth https://www.erowid.org/archive/rhodium/chemistry/methylamine.html
P2P synth https://www.erowid.org/archive/rhodium/chemistry/p2p.phenylpropenes.html
P2P reduction https://www.erowid.org/archive/rhodium/chemistry/p2p.phenylpropenes.html
More advanced guides but very reliable
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Mercury(II) chloride synth http://www.sciencemadness.org/talk/viewthread.php?tid=20959
P2P
One step Amp synth https://www.erowid.org/archive/rhodium/chemistry/amph.alhg.html
^not that hard and not nearly as illegal
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This thread belongs in Lab Tips.
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This thread belongs in Lab Tips.
Lab Tips be more of a general chemistry forum rather than gearing it solely towards drugs so for the most part questions about production of amphetamines and other drugs does go in BLTC.
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RP/I is a bitch but it's much safer and you get higher yields
Just scrape the damn matchbooks
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Mercury(II) chloride synth http://www.sciencemadness.org/talk/viewthread.php?tid=20959
P2P
One step Amp synth https://www.erowid.org/archive/rhodium/chemistry/amph.alhg.html
^not that hard and not nearly as illegal
I`m not interested Rp/i but thank you. Think about it: I can barely get camping fuel mate, why would you think I could get my hands on mercury and shit? Remember I DO NOT live in the Us.. nor the UK...
Thank you for all the help but the only precursors I have access to can only help me with SNB or Rp/i . Yes, I understand scraping matchbooks or TRYING to get rid of the cardboard off mbrp is a possibility.. BUT WHY WOULD I DO THAT IF SNB IS AVAILABLE? And trust me, those paper flakes are the fucking worst...
Now, dont want to be rude or something, but I am simply asking qustions I couldn`t find with TFSE or Google, about an s`n`b rxn. I don`t want another recipe for it... I`ve read `em all (i`m pretty sure about that) and none of them provided the information I need.
Maybe someone else could chime in ? (preferably with Snb experience... or a little more chemistry knowledge thank me)
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RP/I is a bitch but it's much safer and you get higher yields
Just scrape the damn matchbooks
Rp/I usually gives a yield of 50% ... snb gives something around 90%.
Rp/I usually takes as long as 24-48 for a LWR... If doing a hot dry redox, it takes as little as 3-4 hours (with a fucking 30% return if you`re good)...
So, you need about 5000 matchboxes for 5-6 grams of impure, shitty RP. That`s so many hours of work for so little return; and such a BIG waste of solvents...
The snb is SO appealing because of simplicity and high yields... hell if a hillbilly can do it, why couldn`t I do it, with even less danger of blowing up ?
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Lol no, did you see Heisenberg using one pot? no, snb methods cut as many corners as possible no way are you gonna get better yields than doing a legit synth thats moronic
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Brother Bewbees dropping knowledge like is on sale
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Shit meth just isnt worth holding a bottle of camping fuel under 100+ psi, do a few snb but move on to rp/i when you can.
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Brother Bewbees dropping knowledge like is on sale
:roll:
Ok maybe you`re right. Oh, and the Heisenberg guy did a phenylacetone cook. That`s 50/50 d,l meth. (racemate)Which I`m sure sucks balls more than Snb meth (after purification). BUT I will still try to snb in the near future even tho nobody really answered my q`s , I have the feeling that a press cooker won`t blow up as easy...
(thank you Σ for the gasoline answer) 8)
Moderators: please leave this thread open... i`m gonna post my experience with these ideas... and maybe someone who cooked a batch of shitty tweaker meth at least once, can enlighten me... thanks for ur contribution boobguy, you have shown me ohsohardtofind synths from beneath the internet that use mercury chloride ... so.. a bottle of camping fuel is more dangerous than reacting mercury with aluminum and other shit..? :roll:
|Maybe the purple cow could help.. or the meffhead
Thanks
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Lol those synths werent really for you, just contributing info. Those are phenylacetone(P2P) synths that i posted and yes they are 100000x safer than one pot synths, nigga you crazy? You think some random strangers half assed one pot synth is going to be better than a Rhodium synth???
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Lol those synths werent really for you, just contributing info. Those are phenylacetone(P2P) synths that i posted and yes they are 100000x safer than one pot synths, nigga you crazy? You think some random strangers half assed one pot synth is going to be better than a Rhodium synth???
I don`t know, really... just fucking around w mercury sounds WAY dangerous... the only nasty part in snb is the Li... getting it from batteries fast enough sounds less risky than mercury or phenyalaceone n shit... fume hoods, electric plates n shit . Hard2get chems too... and pretty watched...
The only good thing about my country *i`m from EU*, is that I can find a "pretty" cheap and pure OTC eph source, but nothing ubuv 300mgs/pharmacy... dry acetone, kmno4, various acids etc. pretty easy to find. Rp, Ether, Tol, Xylene, Naphta are rare to find legally
I fucked around a while with methcathinone, but it kinda sucks balls. Same fam as mdpv, 4mec and other rcs... amph sulphate- hate it with all my heart... meth ? - nadda :| nothing..
There`s no meth here. Most people never even heard of it... so yes, 4-5 grams of tweaker mess for 15 dollars is acceptable.
:o
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naptha, lye, and muriatic acid are much worse when they're mixed together under huge amounts of pressure. What makes real synths so much better is that the reactions are spread out and more easily controlled with the added benefit of not having it explode in your face.
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Hi
I was looking into diff meth rxns as I am tired of the bullshit drug that mcat is. It`s so short acting and I became bored of it pretty quick, so I decided to readup on meth synths.
The Rp/I looks the easiest but scrapping so much mbs is too time consuming. I can`t afford to scrape rp in my house... or any other friends house etc. And I don`t have the necessary time either... :(
So I stumbled over this s`nb stuff a while ago... it looks pretty fkn simple but I don`t really wanna blow half a hand off without knowing >:( ... so I have a few Q`s:
1. Why add the water (even that little ammount) ? The Lithium will heat up the solvents and shit and explode...
2. Why not do it in a pressure cooker or something similar... for small ammounts this sounds pretty safe ...
3. I tried reading up on this problem but didn`t have any real luck.. Can I substitute Ammonium Nitrate with Ammonium chloride? I`ve seen some threads stating that any ammonia salt will work the same.. Like with ammonium chloride (NH4Cl + NaOH --> NaCl (aq) + H2O + NH3 .. so nh3 is made just like in the case of the AN snb.
4. Also, will gasoline work as a NP ? It`s the only zippo fluid that I can grab..
5. Won`t premixing the materials be safer..? As in dropping it over Li and all the sudo THEN pouring the NP? Or pouring the np first, then Li, then all the other stuff.. then cap the press cooker and praying ?
English is not my primary language so bare w me. :roll:
Thanks in advance
I will murder you and anyone like you who makes another SnB thread.
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so you can eat my balls while I sleep for eternity
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naptha, lye, and muriatic acid are much worse when they're mixed together under huge amounts of pressure. What makes real synths so much better is that the reactions are spread out and more easily controlled with the added benefit of not having it explode in your face.
This Information on the Birch is not accurate in this thread. Both Birch and the modified Birch (s&b), are fully legit reactions. When performed by a qualified person, they are fairly safe, produce both high yields and high quality and is LESS likely to "explode". Also Remember, d-MA is d-MA after the work up.
1. Muriatic is not part of the Birch or modified-Birch. Some may use it as a HCl sourch when salting out the finished Amine.
2. Modified Birch does not produce "huge amounts of pressure. " It varies from 50-100 psi given typical rxns and is "self-limiting" meaning as pressure builds...the reaction slows.*
Caution is still necessary, but it is NOT what people/law/media make it out to be. (*50-100 grams each of anhydrous NaOH and Ammonia Nitrate in a non-polar soultion Is: a. Not a huge amount. b. Reactants are polar-soluble only, so if combined In non-polar fuel they remain solid and react relatively slow through surface contact)
Smart people use thick plastic bottles designed to withstand about double that amount such as home soda making bottles. Failures do happen...but they are quite unimpressive. No explosions. Just dribbling out with small sprays and a cat piss smell.
Bad explosions happen when people that take no time to understand whay they are doing, dump a few Ounces of water into the rv. Do not blame the Birch Reduction; blame stupid people.
3. Birch reaction (including a proper s&b) is actually fairly safe reaction, very easily controllable, and is a 100% legit reaction. In the world of Organic Chemistry NaOH, AN, Li and otc polar solvents are about as non-toxic as it gets. They are mild irritants.
HI from the rp/i or HI/P is way more toxic. Those reactions are WAY more temperamental with fires/explosions common. Toxic fumes get even worse with some procedures making HI or Methylamine.
4. Yields for Birch are both potentially higher and more consistent. Though Modified Birch is severely limited in terms of size.
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^Shit noobs. Li/NH3 reduction uses anhydrous ammonia OP cant even find naptha and its very very dangerous. The process your referring to isnt used anymore, the newer methods of one pots are further modified to exclude AA. These methods can produce good yields but not out of a gatorade bottle by you tards. On zoklet Psychodelic(i think) had a good thread on SnB where he helped a newbie try and he said the vessel had to be under 200psi before the rection even started.
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The process your referring to isnt used anymore, the newer methods of one pots are further modified to exclude AA. These methods can produce good yields but not out of a gatorade bottle by you tards. On zoklet Psychodelic(i think) had a good thread on SnB where he helped a newbie try and he said the vessel had to be under 200psi before the rection even started.
Exclude AA? Wow don`t tell me, sodium? Why are you talking like a goddamn pro when all u do is talk out ur ass about shit that you know nothing about (only what you read). So stfu, stop trying to be worlock ... I`m pretty sure you didn`t "cook" anything .. you know why? Because ur posting shit that was published in the year 2000. Yes, we can see you understand chemistry, but never attempted what`s written there... Advising one to use da fkn mercury method and implying it is less dangerous and produces higher yields (30% u moron) is retarded. Ur are almost saying u DID use that method, and it DID work better...
If ur such a pro why the fuck didn`t you give PROPER explanations to why THIS or THAT won`t work. Why? Because you don`t know what the fuck ur talking about :)
Get off your high horse u retard.
All meth threads are full of your bullshit... "oh nooo listen to Bewbees, he dropz knowledge lik3 Iz 0n s4Lez///" ... knowledge? The shit ur posting is from erowid/rhodium etc published waaay back in 99..
Tardz? AlHarringtonCHN is a good guy. Giving PROPER explanations, and doesn`t run around calling people "tardz" or "noobZ"(u fucking L33tWh0re) ...
Giving a tv show character as an example? "D0 it duh HeiZenBergz meth0d.. much clean.. pro meth.. full purity (over 101%)"
:) no offence brah.. get down on ur knees kuntilingus