Society => Weapons & Combat => Topic started by: Arnox on October 31, 2014, 10:51:46 pm
Title: Is Gunbroker.com a Good Way to Get Some Firearms?
Post by: Arnox on October 31, 2014, 10:51:46 pm
Looks like it but I'm not sure.
Title: Re: Is Gunbroker.com a Good Way to Get Some Firearms?
Post by: Rationahl on October 31, 2014, 11:21:52 pm
O.P. is a fed
Title: Re: Is Gunbroker.com a Good Way to Get Some Firearms?
Post by: RestStop on October 31, 2014, 11:23:02 pm
Depends. If you want illegal shit then no. If you want to find some rare stuff you can't find else where then yes.
Title: Re: Is Gunbroker.com a Good Way to Get Some Firearms?
Post by: Σ on October 31, 2014, 11:28:39 pm
Its not too bad. I would say this is my list of where to get guns
Gunshows: This is where you can get guns for cheap and make the best deals or get totally screwed buying an overpriced piece of shit. If you know what you want and know at least something about guns these are a good place to go. And remember a seller isnt strictly required to keep track of who he sold it to or even keep a record of the sale if you know how to go about it.
Auction sites: Some great deals, some not so great but your not going to get totally screwed as long as the seller is reputable. If you want a specific model this is probably one of the better ways to go about finding it. But if its a rarity it may be expensive.
Gunstores: Depends. Gunstores are good if they have staff who are very knowledgeable about guns and do trades. The problem is they may not necessarily have what you want in stock. You are going to be paying a pretty fair price for the guns but way more than you would at a gunshow if you know your shit.
Title: Re: Is Gunbroker.com a Good Way to Get Some Firearms?
Post by: RestStop on October 31, 2014, 11:31:34 pm
Its not too bad. I would say this is my list of where to get guns
Gunshows: This is where you can get guns for cheap and make the best deals or get totally screwed buying an overpriced piece of shit. If you know what you want and know at least something about guns these are a good place to go. And remember a seller isnt strictly required to keep track of who he sold it to or even keep a record of the sale if you know how to go about it.
Auction sites: Some great deals, some not so great but your not going to get totally screwed as long as the seller is reputable. If you want a specific model this is probably one of the better ways to go about finding it. But if its a rarity it may be expensive.
Gunstores: Depends. Gunstores are good if they have staff who are very knowledgeable about guns and do trades. The problem is they may not necessarily have what you want in stock. You are going to be paying a pretty fair price for the guns but way more than you would at a gunshow if you know your shit.
I believe the site he's talking about needs a atf type/gun broker license number code etc..to sell guns on there, I could be way off, but I think that it goes something like that.
Gun shows here you don't even need to show Id, cash and it's yours. God bless Ohio.
Title: Re: Is Gunbroker.com a Good Way to Get Some Firearms?
Post by: Σ on October 31, 2014, 11:42:23 pm
To sell a gun on somewhere like gunbroker you do need an FFL (Federal firearms licence). A lot of people have them and anyone can get one. If you really dont want to get one you can find someone who does have one and they will do sell it for you. I know a couple of guys in my area do that it just might take some looking. I know some gunstores also act as a FFL holder for selling on these sites and sell them for customers. The gunstore would probably take more of a cut off the sale than someone who just happens to have an FFL as the store needs to make money.
Title: Re: Is Gunbroker.com a Good Way to Get Some Firearms?
Post by: Arnox on November 01, 2014, 12:15:26 am
Nope. Fully legal. Thanks everyone for the input. I'm sure gunbrokers was pretty good if you know what to look for but I wanted to make sure.
Title: Re: Is Gunbroker.com a Good Way to Get Some Firearms?
Post by: mizled on November 01, 2014, 12:16:27 am
I've done dozens of deals through Gunbroker, both buying and selling. Most vendors there are solid. If you're buying, you'll have to pay shipping (usually about $30 for a long gun) and the local FFL transfer fee (most FFL holders will charge 25 to 35 dollars, most gun dealers and pawn shops do FFL transfers). On the plus side, if you're buying from someone out of state , you won't have to pay sales tax - so it can balance out. Due to the amount of government oversight on firearm transfers, there is very little chance that you'll get scammed. You can't beat their selection, anything you want, you can usually find there. Quality is usually better on auction sites than at gun shows, and unlike gun show dealers, most auction dealers give you a three day inspection period, so you have time to make sure the gun will run.
Title: Re: Is Gunbroker.com a Good Way to Get Some Firearms?
Post by: Spectre on November 01, 2014, 12:53:14 am
keep in mind online gun purchases still have to go through ffl's so make sure you have one in your area
Title: Re: Is Gunbroker.com a Good Way to Get Some Firearms?
Post by: 1983 on November 01, 2014, 04:13:28 am
For firearms keep an open mind and shop around, Also don't be afraid to haggle if you go to a gun show. I've gotten everything from gun cases to a few hundred dollars off of whatever else they have on the table.
As most people have said look around online, Go to gun shows, and some gun shops or even pawn shops in some very rare cases. make sure you check everything you by carefully though.
Personally I got caught into buying a shotgun with a glued stock (already cracked). Kinda sucked but I sanded it down re-glued and C clamped it so it was a proper job and then finished it. It's lighter than the pump on it but it's great for the nick name I gave it (two tone).
On the plus side I got the guy to knock off $125 off a bolt action shotgun my friend wanted.
So buyer beware and good luck on your purchases.
Al
Title: Re: Is Gunbroker.com a Good Way to Get Some Firearms?
Post by: equanimity on November 01, 2014, 05:13:47 am
Can you purchase firearms like this even if you're not allowed to purchase them where you live? Or is that a thing of the past...
Title: Re: Is Gunbroker.com a Good Way to Get Some Firearms?
Post by: aldra on November 01, 2014, 05:15:56 am
Can you purchase firearms like this even if you're not allowed to purchase them where you live? Or is that a thing of the past...
not at all, I bought my .32's at a gun show with cash (also no ID). .32 and .25 are both illegal in Canada and I bought them by using a loophole in the system.
Title: Re: Is Gunbroker.com a Good Way to Get Some Firearms?
Post by: equanimity on November 01, 2014, 05:26:05 am
Yeah I've heard of the gun show loophole, but was hoping it'd be as easy as ordering on Amazon haha. Guess if I want one so badly should looking into gun shows.
Title: Re: Is Gunbroker.com a Good Way to Get Some Firearms?
Post by: Sirfearoth on November 01, 2014, 08:23:35 am
http://www.armslist.com/
This is a website I use regularly. Regular privates sellers (non-FFL) or registered dealers (FFL) can buy,sell,trade what ever.
Title: Re: Is Gunbroker.com a Good Way to Get Some Firearms?
Post by: 1983 on November 01, 2014, 12:31:16 pm
There's also facebook groups that will do private sales.
Al
Title: Re: Is Gunbroker.com a Good Way to Get Some Firearms?
Post by: Spectre on November 01, 2014, 12:52:45 pm
"The Gun Show Loophole" is a fallacy at least in america. A lot of dealers at gun shows are licensed ffl holders and are still required by the atf to do the standard paperwork. However Private transfers AKA selling from one citizen to another does not need to use federally approved paperwork. It's still illegal to sell guns to felons or to sell restricted items and if you get caught you're going to get your ass pounded in a fed jail cell.
Title: Re: Is Gunbroker.com a Good Way to Get Some Firearms?
Post by: equanimity on November 01, 2014, 05:15:50 pm
Is it possible for someone living in America to purchase a gun (mostly) legally, even if they are supposedly barred from doing so for psychiatric reasons?
Title: Re: Is Gunbroker.com a Good Way to Get Some Firearms?
Post by: Σ on November 01, 2014, 05:17:48 pm
Is it possible for someone living in America to purchase a gun (mostly) legally, even if they are supposedly barred from doing so for psychiatric reasons?
It is possible in the same way a convicted felon who is barred from owning a firearm. Go to a gun show and find someone who doesnt give a shit about id or anything. There are a lot of those.
Title: Re: Is Gunbroker.com a Good Way to Get Some Firearms?
Post by: equanimity on November 01, 2014, 05:18:54 pm
So the "gun show loophole" is not a fallacy?
Title: Re: Is Gunbroker.com a Good Way to Get Some Firearms?
Post by: Rocklin on November 01, 2014, 05:30:39 pm
yes it is someone finding someone else to illegally sell them a weapon is not a loop hole it's illegal you cannot legally purchase a weapon if you are barred from doing so and the responsibility is on the seller to fact check that or they also face legal action that's like calling people that buy guns from gangmembers the street corner loophole if someone is selling you a gun against the law it's still illegal that actually do a lot of busts at gunshows specifically because of this
Title: Re: Is Gunbroker.com a Good Way to Get Some Firearms?
Post by: Spectre on November 01, 2014, 05:33:33 pm
In the us getting id is not required by a private seller note this isn't an ffl holder however if they are found to have sold a gun to someone barred from possessing it they face legal action
Title: Re: Is Gunbroker.com a Good Way to Get Some Firearms?
Post by: Σ on November 01, 2014, 05:34:20 pm
So again its not legal but it is possible.
Title: Re: Is Gunbroker.com a Good Way to Get Some Firearms?
Post by: Spectre on November 01, 2014, 05:37:05 pm
if you're asking if it is possible to illegally purchase weapons than yes it is as possible to illegally purchase weapons at gun shows as it is to purchase illicit substances at nightclubs AKA the nightclub loophole
also there are generally a lot of law enforcement at gun shows that WILL make sure you're on the up and up
Title: Re: Is Gunbroker.com a Good Way to Get Some Firearms?
Post by: mizled on November 01, 2014, 05:37:24 pm
It's only a fallacy if you don't get caught. ATF and local le are always around trolling at gunshows, and if they catch you- or the seller - they bust you. If you really want a firearm, and are not allowed to own one, then just buy a black powder revolver - with cash. They're not subject to the same regulations as modern firearms. "Why aren't they?" No one does a drive by with a cowboy gun.
Title: Re: Is Gunbroker.com a Good Way to Get Some Firearms?
Post by: mizled on November 01, 2014, 05:38:17 pm
if you're asking if it is possible to illegally purchase weapons than yes it is as possible to illegally purchase weapons at gun shows as it is to purchase illicit substances at nightclubs AKA the nightclub loophole
also there are generally a lot of law enforcement at gun shows that WILL make sure you're on the up and up
Beat me to it, would thank, but...
Title: Re: Is Gunbroker.com a Good Way to Get Some Firearms?
Post by: ricomock on November 04, 2014, 07:12:18 am