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Ego => Spurious Generalities => Topic started by: Internet-Weed-Dude on October 23, 2014, 03:27:08 pm

Title: DaGuru: (A couple of questions pertaining to your thoughts on things.)
Post by: Internet-Weed-Dude on October 23, 2014, 03:27:08 pm: DaGuru;

I will start by saying that I believe you to be a wise person.

I will then proceed to proclaim that although I understand that I could be incorrect in saying so, I believe myself to be a fairly wise person as well.

Not that it's anything to get into a feud about, but I think there is objective wisdom contained within the minds of those who value profoundly both forgiveness and although less relevant to the point here - mercy.

I am genuinely curious of what your opinion might be on this & whether or not you agree... and since your answer will almost surely be a unique shade of gray I would like to know where the borderlines stand that separate what would constitute something that you see as forgivable and what is not. I am asking you because I want to consider your opinion to take from it (with a grain of salt, obviously) what may revolutionize my own perspectives on such as my thoughts on this translate to my personal life in a lot of ways these days.

The reason I feel that your thoughts on this must vastly differ from my own is probably quite obvious to you. A stand-out example would be the attitude that you purposefully exhibit publicly on the boards here towards things regarding zok and a lot of the other users here.

I also understand that it is quite likely that like myself and a lot of others on here... Your posts are a mixture of a reflection of your true persona & takes on things and fictitious, amusement-fueled, amusement-provoking fabrications of self-depiction... as well as the fact that if that is the case you are not going to be likely to admit it here.

I still want to see what you have to say about this, however, if you will.

mike
Title: Re: DaGuru: (A couple of questions pertaining to your thoughts on things.)
Post by: -SpectraL on October 23, 2014, 03:52:34 pm: I hate to tell you that DaGuru is not so forgiving at all when it comes to people who deliberately make their own beds. He has a zero tolerance approach to people who won't pull their head out of their ass. He will be relentless, without mercy, without compassion. On the other hand, if the person is honorable in their dealings, or even willing to turn things around for themselves, he can be the most supportive and faithful friend you could ever have.
Title: Re: DaGuru: (A couple of questions pertaining to your thoughts on things.)
Post by: DaGuru on October 23, 2014, 04:09:51 pm: Interesting thread IWD....and I hope this exchange goes back and forth for a while.With that being said, I have a very busy day ahead of me, so my initial answer may be somewhat brief and very vague talking in broad terms....so any followup from me will have to wait until later on this evening depending on the way the day plays out.

Forgiveness and mercy, huh? I don't know if you remember a thread waaayyyyy back, I think it was on Totse, discussed the whole concept of "accepting an apology". On that topic, I explained how my belief is the majority of apologies are empty, cheap and shallow. It literally takes NOTHING to spew some vanilla words, and unless there is genuine repentance/repayment...it means absolutely nothing to me. What I especially don't like about apologies, is how so many people flip the script, they now expect the person that was wronged/harmed to suddenly bear the burden of the responsibility of the indiscretion..."well, he apologized to you, now you SHOULD forgive him". As if forgiveness is NOT given, somehow now the person that has been wronged is now "bad"...and all the sins of the instigator is suddenly washed away.

As for "mercy"....that all depends on the depth of the error, and the punishment of the accused. I admit, I have a very dark outlook on a lot of things in this world...and my idea of "punishment" can be a lot more severe than most others. We are living in a backwards world any more, and people that think it is their "right" to put their nose in other people's business, or even have the world change all for their selfish needs and agendas to me deserve little to no mercy. Even moreso with people that do bad things with malice in their hearts, but even folks that think their selfish agendas trump everyone else's.

An example of that would be the most recent busybody soccer mom that got a petition together to have Breaking Bad action figures pulled off the shelves of Toys R Us in Florida because of her OWN sensibilities that were offended. Somehow in this entitled, selfish, thin-skinned cunt's mind....she really believes her value system and morality(?) should mandate how everyone else goes about their lives and makes purchasing decisions. With ALL the problems in this world, from death, wars, sickness, unemployment, and everything else......THIS is a soapbox she is getting so crazy about, all the while trying to dictate what other people do with their dollars and choices in this world? In essence, she is stepping on the world's toes...and I hate people like that, whether they are literally stepping on toes or figuratively.

And hear me when I say this....this is not false bravado, talking shit, or anything else to amuse someone. In my heart of hearts I firmly believe if there was ANY justice in this world.......someday not very far off I hope this woman is either beaten and robbed by a tweaked out meth head, or hit by a Toys R Us tractor trailer. It's truly what she "deserves" in my opinion, when she had the selfish audacity to think her sensibilities could dictate the rest of the world's value system.

Again, just a very quick and bare bones concept of how my mind works in regard to that, and I realize I didn't touch on any of Zok's sins and incompetency yet.....but obviously I do believe that he too deserves to suffer greatly for his idiocy and incompetency in this world. He stepped on a lot of toes, fucked with a lot of people, and even purposely brought harm to many with his cowardice, hypocrisy and selfishness.

Eager to hear more from you, as well as any followup questions you might have....
Title: Re: DaGuru: (A couple of questions pertaining to your thoughts on things.)
Post by: DaGuru on October 23, 2014, 04:12:34 pm: Quote from: -SpectraL on October 23, 2014, 03:52:34 pm

I hate to tell you that DaGuru is not so forgiving at all when it comes to people who deliberately make their own beds. He has a zero tolerance approach to people who won't pull their head out of their ass. He will be relentless, without mercy, without compassion. On the other hand, if the person is honorable in their dealings, or even willing to turn things around for themselves, he can be the most supportive and faithful friend you could ever have.

That too....thanks for helping me elaborate. Still say though...Spectral you yourself are too much of a softie with your dealings in the world, always willing to give people the benefit of the doubt no matter how toxic or stupid they are....and giving 2nd, 3rd, 14th chances when nothing of the accused merits that kind of "mercy". Probably why I've always said you are a "better" man than me, simply because your kindness and human generosity far outweighs anything I'll ever possess.
Title: Re: DaGuru: (A couple of questions pertaining to your thoughts on things.)
Post by: DaGuru on October 24, 2014, 02:23:40 am: Let me first give a great example in my life where I exercised both mercy and forgiveness. 20 or so years ago I was a night manager at a hotel, and one July 4th weekend we were sold out...without a maintenance man present at that hour. Around 11, I had some belligerent idiot ring down from his room that his HEATER wasn't working on one of the hottest/muggiest weekends of the year. When I told him we were sold out and no maintenance man was on site to fix it, he basically tells me to "fix it or else!" A little while later he comes down to the desk, even more pissed off because his outgoing calls weren't activated since he was a cash paying guest and hadn't put a deposit down. So he slams a $50 on the counter and starts shouting all kinds of expletives at me....with a lobby filled with all kinds of people that just got back from a wedding...old folks, kids, etc.

I told him to pipe down and watch his language considering the other people, and at that point he takes a swing at me from across the counter. I respond by crumbling his $50 in a ball and threw it back at him, telling him he was going to need it for bail money as I was calling the police at that point. This was one of the very few times I've ever called the cops, but because of this busy lobby its not like I was going to beat the shit out of the guy right there and probably lose my job. So the cops come, and after talking to him found out he was a truck driver who went to a bar for some drinks, got very drunk and decided to jump into a nearby creek to cool off as he was walking back to the hotel...which is why he was so cold. At that point, they ask me if I wanted to press charges for drunken disorderly and whatever else, and have him removed from the hotel to spend the night in a cell till he sobered up, all that fun stuff.

I told the cops then I didn't want him to get in any trouble, just needed someone to get it through his thick head I don't have another room and nobody on staff to fix his heater.....so the cops escort him upstairs now that he is behaving himself. Around 5 a.m. he comes back downstairs and asks for a wakeup call later in the morning and says..."man, I'm really sorry about before I acted like a real jerk". I told him no problem, we all get crazy when we get drunk, shit happens. As an employee sure I had already exercised mercy, and now somewhat "accepted his apology"....but man to man I still thought he was a jackass and kept thinking what would have happened to him had we been alone in that lobby earlier.

A few weeks later he comes walking back in my door, and hands me a bag of fast food. I'm like "what's this?", and he goes on to tell me how he owes me tremendously, I could have really fucked him up bigtime had I pressed charges, and appreciated how cool I was that night. He did this another 2 or 3 times in the next 6 months or so when staying at the hotel, and even offered to move my stuff for me in his tractor trailer free of charge when he heard I was leaving that job to move back to Ohio. Needless to say long before then he showed SINCERE remorse backing what were just empty words that first night...and I certainly "forgave him" at that point. That WAS true "repentance".

In regard to Zok, how/why should ANYONE forgive him or give him mercy? He barely will communicate with human beings outside of his nerd herd, and hasn't shown a minute of humbleness, gratitude or remorse to ANYONE all these years. I'm not sure exactly what you were getting at in regard to mercy/forgiveness towards Zok...so perhaps you could elaborate more on your outlook and I can give you a better understanding of where I'm coming from in whatever you have to say.

Also....

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Your posts are a mixture of a reflection of your true persona & takes on things and fictitious, amusement-fueled, amusement-provoking fabrications of self-depiction

Just wanted to clarify as well, no....nothing I say on here is contrived, exaggerated, or some "shtick" for shock value or entertainment. It truly is how I think, and who I am. I'm not here to play games or for some "make pretend time". So when I express I absolutely despise someone like Zek that abandoned his kids and wish great harm to find his life, I mean it. When you read these posts and get inside people's heads and eventually learn about who they truly "are"....I cast the same judgements and feel the same disgust for toxic worthless people on here just as I would IRL.
Title: Re: DaGuru: (A couple of questions pertaining to your thoughts on things.)
Post by: WAN on October 24, 2014, 04:05:23 am: Guru: we like it when you share stories of your life. plz tell us more stuff about you, share your thoughts on whatever subject you can think of.
Title: Re: DaGuru: (A couple of questions pertaining to your thoughts on things.)
Post by: DaGuru on October 24, 2014, 04:23:03 am: Quote from: WAN on October 24, 2014, 04:05:23 am
Guru: we like it when you share stories of your life. plz tell us more stuff about you, share your thoughts on whatever subject you can think of.

Not sure what else to share, unless inspired by whatever topic. Besides, about beddy-bye time for me soon any how. ;)
Title: Re: DaGuru: (A couple of questions pertaining to your thoughts on things.)
Post by: Internet-Weed-Dude on October 27, 2014, 06:00:41 am: Sorry I haven't responded for quite a number of days after making this thread. My life has been rather hectic. (I completely forgot about having made the thread until yesterday.)

I have no good reason or excuse to offer you that is correspondent with any sort of integrity surrounding the circumstances here... It is something that matters because had I not posted this I would have wasted your time... aside from the fact that as a result of reading this thread you probably guided your thoughts towards something you may not have put much conscious thought into about yourself had you not... who knows. I do sincerely apologize (not even trying to be ironic here) for that.

I'm packing a wallop here. Keep in mind it's not metaphorically directed towards you yourself... only an idea. I have a strong feeling you may be one of very, very few who don't argue to be right but rather to consider everything to determine the best stance. Do you get what I'm saying? That's not to say I don't agree with a large chunk of what you're saying about your take on this through the subtext here...

This will be good. (For me and possibly you and like four and a half others... The rest can eat my ASCII dick.)

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Everyone that is genuinely unimpressed with this thread: Put the ASCII dick in your cybermouths and eat it.

I'll be back.
Title: Re: DaGuru: (A couple of questions pertaining to your thoughts on things.)
Post by: DaGuru on October 28, 2014, 11:26:16 am: Quote from: Internet-Weed-Dude on October 27, 2014, 06:00:41 am
I have a strong feeling you may be one of very, very few who don't argue to be right but rather to consider everything to determine the best stance. Do you get what I'm saying?

I've said a couple of times over the years....most of the time I'm here to simply post AN opinion. Where a lot of the flame wars ensue between posters is when ego clashes after they both mistakenly believe they've posted THE opinion....that in their insecure minds is somehow the only "right" way of looking at things. So yeah, I get where you are coming from totally.
Title: Re: DaGuru: (A couple of questions pertaining to your thoughts on things.)
Post by: Nasheeds and Lesbians on October 28, 2014, 01:56:04 pm: LOL, I barely skimmed this thread but I "got it" and it's pretty funny but kinda gay and cringey too, all in all, 9.5/sanctuary though