The Sanctuary
Society => Politics: Left, Right, and Center => Topic started by: Obbe on October 18, 2014, 06:25:59 pm
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I voted in 2012 cause it was the first time I was able to vote. I don't plan on ever voting again, it's not like it ever made a difference. People vote election after election and yet we end up with an ever more fucked situation. It's all a fucking joke, I say we start a 'don't vote' movement.
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The "don't vote because it's just fucked up dude" movement is the epitome of a self-fulfilling prophecy.
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When you vote you are only consenting to your own enslavement. You are saying that you are incapable of representing yourself in matters of your rights and you agree to participate in a system where some other random jackass will represent you. You place your life into the hands of another.
Bunch of fucking slaves!
I don't consent to shit. I have an equal claim of right to this world and it's resources. I am a fucking god.
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Hmm.. Curious notion.. Do you think voting should be public or private? Publicly recording each vote for reference and posterity at the sacrifice of privacy.. Or privacy at the sacrifice of being manipulated? Or can a election situation ever be satisfying to all involved?
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The "don't vote because it's just fucked up dude" movement is the epitome of a self-fulfilling prophecy.
No it is not. See ninjas post. The only winning move is not to play.
I did the same as s0s0, what a crock of shit that was.
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Was this not a joke thread? :O
I made it about 3 minutes in and thought I'd won.
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Whether or not one politician is slightly less shitty than the next, not voting eliminates your right to complain. Perhaps it is a ruse.. But then again, we could live in a dictatorship. Do you really think North Korea or some Non-democratic Arabic country would be much better. Don't get me wrong, I think America is far from perfect.. But come on, you have you shitty car, fuel before the pice drop was still cheaper here than throughout mos of the world.. You can go get laid.. Get high.. And eat on a fairly regular basis.. So.. Don't act as if your are too overly oppressed.. It's retarded. We need drastic change but let's not act like uppity bitches. All outta nipples here..
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Whether or not one politician is slightly less shitty than the next, not voting eliminates your right to complain.
Wrong. Voting eliminates your right to complain. Because, by voting, you consented to be represented by another person, you consented to a system of control. So, you have absolutely no fucking right to complain, because you fucking agreed to it.
By not voting, by not consenting to be governed, I have every fucking right to complain, because I didn't agree to any of the BS.
You speak like a true slave. But, I'm trying to help you to see the light.
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True slave? Haha do you work a job? Pay taxes? Sign up for medicaid? Your a hypocrit.. Unless your actively working underground coming some sort of coalition.. Your spouting off dramatic rhetoric that is ultimately just as much bullshit as the things you condescend. You still have the right to comain if you vote? Why the fuck would t you, you fucktard? Are you so you g and naive that you can't see past your on pride. Because that's all that is.. Pride. If I vote for someone and they lie or betray their intention, I have every right in the world to complain, raise hell, and fight back. You think all the people who hate Obama voted for the other guy? All the people that voted for bush still loved him after his reign? Maybe you need to enlighten yourself..
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Whether or not one politician is slightly less shitty than the next, not voting eliminates your right to complain.
Wrong. Voting eliminates your right to complain. Because, by voting, you consented to be represented by another person, you consented to a system of control. So, you have absolutely no fucking right to complain, because you fucking agreed to it.
By not voting, by not consenting to be governed, I have every fucking right to complain, because I didn't agree to any of the BS.
You speak like a true slave. But, I'm trying to help you to see the light.
I agree with you
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True slave? Haha do you work a job? Pay taxes? Sign up for medicaid? Your a hypocrit.. Unless your actively working underground coming some sort of coalition.. Your spouting off dramatic rhetoric that is ultimately just as much bullshit as the things you condescend. You still have the right to comain if you vote? Why the fuck would t you, you fucktard? Are you so you g and naive that you can't see past your on pride. Because that's all that is.. Pride. If I vote for someone and they lie or betray their intention, I have every right in the world to complain, raise hell, and fight back. You think all the people who hate Obama voted for the other guy? All the people that voted for bush still loved him after his reign? Maybe you need to enlighten yourself..
I haven't paid taxes in many years, FUCK THE IRS, I will never pay taxes again. It honestly doesn't matter, because everytime I did file before, they told me that I was so poor that they were going to give me some free money that they stole from someone else. FUCK THAT. And, no, if you vote you have ABSOLUTELY NO FUCKING RIGHT TO COMPLAIN. You consented to a system where your vote would be tallied against all other votes and you agreed to the outcome. If you actually thought that your vote mattered or that the person you voted for had any fucking obligation to you, you are a fucking retard.
I don't vote, I don't pay taxes (except sales tax, which there's really no way of getting around). I do work, I do work under the table, I currently live on around $600 a month. I don't have a bank account, IDGAF!
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I haven't paid taxes in many years, FUCK THE IRS, I will never pay taxes again. It honestly doesn't matter, because everytime I did file before, they told me that I was so poor that they were going to give me some free money that they stole from someone else. FUCK THAT. And, no, if you vote you have ABSOLUTELY NO FUCKING RIGHT TO COMPLAIN. You consented to a system where your vote would be tallied against all other votes and you agreed to the outcome. If you actually thought that your vote mattered or that the person you voted for had any fucking obligation to you, you are a fucking retard.
I don't vote, I don't pay taxes (except sales tax, which there's really no way of getting around). I do work, I do work under the table, I currently live on around $600 a month. I don't have a bank account, IDGAF!
You are a good man, ninja.
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I haven't paid taxes in many years, FUCK THE IRS, I will never pay taxes again. It honestly doesn't matter, because everytime I did file before, they told me that I was so poor that they were going to give me some free money that they stole from someone else. FUCK THAT. And, no, if you vote you have ABSOLUTELY NO FUCKING RIGHT TO COMPLAIN. You consented to a system where your vote would be tallied against all other votes and you agreed to the outcome. If you actually thought that your vote mattered or that the person you voted for had any fucking obligation to you, you are a fucking retard.
I don't vote, I don't pay taxes (except sales tax, which there's really no way of getting around). I do work, I do work under the table, I currently live on around $600 a month. I don't have a bank account, IDGAF!
You are a good man, ninja.
Thank you good sir, I appreciate that!
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I haven't paid taxes in many years, FUCK THE IRS, I will never pay taxes again. It honestly doesn't matter, because everytime I did file before, they told me that I was so poor that they were going to give me some free money that they stole from someone else. FUCK THAT. And, no, if you vote you have ABSOLUTELY NO FUCKING RIGHT TO COMPLAIN. You consented to a system where your vote would be tallied against all other votes and you agreed to the outcome. If you actually thought that your vote mattered or that the person you voted for had any fucking obligation to you, you are a fucking retard.
I don't vote, I don't pay taxes (except sales tax, which there's really no way of getting around). I do work, I do work under the table, I currently live on around $600 a month. I don't have a bank account, IDGAF!
You are a good man, ninja.
Thank you good sir, I appreciate that!
I mean, if you had a chance to get a good job, I mean one that pays like twenty bucks an hour...you would fall all over yourself to pay some taxes.....but, you see through the bullshit, and that is rare and valuable
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I haven't paid taxes in many years, FUCK THE IRS, I will never pay taxes again. It honestly doesn't matter, because everytime I did file before, they told me that I was so poor that they were going to give me some free money that they stole from someone else. FUCK THAT. And, no, if you vote you have ABSOLUTELY NO FUCKING RIGHT TO COMPLAIN. You consented to a system where your vote would be tallied against all other votes and you agreed to the outcome. If you actually thought that your vote mattered or that the person you voted for had any fucking obligation to you, you are a fucking retard.
I don't vote, I don't pay taxes (except sales tax, which there's really no way of getting around). I do work, I do work under the table, I currently live on around $600 a month. I don't have a bank account, IDGAF!
You are a good man, ninja.
Thank you good sir, I appreciate that!
I mean, if you had a chance to get a good job, I mean one that pays like twenty bucks an hour...you would fall all over yourself to pay some taxes.....but, you see through the bullshit, and that is rare and valuable
There is more freedom in being poor. Besides, I have a rich GF ;)
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There is more freedom in being poor. Besides, I have a rich GF ;)
When I was young there was a time when I had to sleep on a heating grate behind a burger king to keep warm....lived on the streets....you are right, there is a certain freedom to it....but I hate being broke, so I guess its all about finding that 'just right' spot on the balance
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There's actually BI stuff related to voting, it's a bit more advance than this forum though.
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There is more freedom in being poor. Besides, I have a rich GF ;)
When I was young there was a time when I had to sleep on a heating grate behind a burger king to keep warm....lived on the streets....you are right, there is a certain freedom to it....but I hate being broke, so I guess its all about finding that 'just right' spot on the balance
I spent Feb and March of this year (negative temps) sleeping in a park on top of the snow in thermals and a military sleeping bag. I dumpster dived at the local grocery store to get food. Being broke does suck. But, there is a definite power in being poor and absolute freedom. When you have nothing, no one tries to take anything from you. They can't enforce the laws if you make it cost more to prosecute than what they could ever regain ($0). And, if they ultimately want to punish you (prison), then they're merely giving you a free room and food.
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I haven't paid taxes in many years, FUCK THE IRS, I will never pay taxes again. It honestly doesn't matter, because everytime I did file before, they told me that I was so poor that they were going to give me some free money that they stole from someone else. FUCK THAT. And, no, if you vote you have ABSOLUTELY NO FUCKING RIGHT TO COMPLAIN. You consented to a system where your vote would be tallied against all other votes and you agreed to the outcome. If you actually thought that your vote mattered or that the person you voted for had any fucking obligation to you, you are a fucking retard.
I don't vote, I don't pay taxes (except sales tax, which there's really no way of getting around). I do work, I do work under the table, I currently live on around $600 a month. I don't have a bank account, IDGAF!
If you are so far removed from the system, then why do you fucking care? You seem to be doing alright.. Please tell me its your general concern for your fellow man. I mean, if you are telling the truth.. which I'm always skeptic, this is the internet, then I'm practically living a similar life to yours.. I dont have a job, have almost no official work history, and yet I own a house, pay my bills through seasonal/odd jobs, and work on living self sufficiently.. I don't even pay much sales tax considering /i really don't buy a lot of things.. Goodwill on occasion, groceries, and... well, unless someone buys me something.. I think about buying things more than I ever actually make a purchase.. but that's just because I'm chronically frugal. Oh, and property taxes.. since I wouldnt have had my house without someone failing to pay for those anyways..
Ah idk.. All this anti-government stuff.. I mean, I get it. Things are shitty in some aspects, and then again.. in comparison to the rest of the world it's hard to not look people like you who complain and not want to say "shut the fuck up and quite being a little bitch". Are we really all so suppressed that we should stop dead in our tracks and burn everything down in retort? That's an exaggeration.. felt like I would throw that out there in case you decided to run with it..
I mean, whats your goals in life man? You never going to buy property? Never going to get a real job? How in the hell are you going to get the collateral to make any sort of change to the system, if you dont adhere to their rules first? It's a dumb fucking paradox and your just as much a part of it as the cattle you criticize. And that's the real enlightenment.. You feel good about your meager living? That's cool man.. I really do respect that coming from someone who can understand that.. but at the same time I don't bash the people out there making better money, living their life paying taxes, buying property, following the laws, growing old having lived a good life.. Most people around my locale live into their 80's or longer if they don't fall victim to an accident or ailment. Is your life bad? Because if its not.. what is your fucking problem... Sometimes I think the government is behind just this.. riling up the perhaps small percentage of intelligent people on purpose, because it is the over analytic thinkers who really need to be controlled.. And when/if you respond to this.. please get an answer to each one of my questions in there.. I really want to know if your life is bad, and how it is the governments fault.. or how the government has directly fucked you.. I hear this shit all the time about what the government is doing,but I have yet to directly see the government "take our guns" or the countless other common sentences accompanied by fear mongers..
I reserve the right to let you convince me to change my mind.. And you may think I'm completely unreasonable.. this is my method. Even if I agree with something 100%, I will break it down to the smallest detail and challenge it just so I can discover the real "truth". I change my mind all the time as I take previous information to new places and push other peoples beliefs to see if they, in fact.. hold up. I do get carried away though and may seem more heated than I actually am.. I just get caught up in the moment, but I dont feel like editing my shit spew so.. it stays. Anyways.. yea.
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There is more freedom in being poor. Besides, I have a rich GF ;)
When I was young there was a time when I had to sleep on a heating grate behind a burger king to keep warm....lived on the streets....you are right, there is a certain freedom to it....but I hate being broke, so I guess its all about finding that 'just right' spot on the balance
I spent Feb and March of this year (negative temps) sleeping in a park on top of the snow in thermals and a military sleeping bag. I dumpster dived at the local grocery store to get food. Being broke does suck. But, there is a definite power in being poor and absolute freedom. When you have nothing, no one tries to take anything from you. They can't enforce the laws if you make it cost more to prosecute than what they could ever regain ($0). And, if they ultimately want to punish you (prison), then they're merely giving you a free room and food.
See, to me.. that's easily one of the sadder things I've ever read. And it has nothing to do with you personally, just different philosophical differences. I personally am a man of ambition.. I have expectations for my life other than slumming by till death. Not that there is anything wrong with the mysterious wanderer lifestyle, it works for some people.. others it don't. Even if I was stripped of everything I had, I would have no problem getting a place to sleep, food to eat, and probably some means of work lined out so that my life had some meaning. I get satisfaction from work, where if I dont accomplish something each day.. I feel like shit. And I mean that beyond daily survival, because man has been "just" surviving for thousands of years.. surely I can do somewhat better than that, I wouldn't be satisfied doing just that.
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When you vote you are only consenting to your own enslavement. You are saying that you are incapable of representing yourself in matters of your rights and you agree to participate in a system where some other random jackass will represent you. You place your life into the hands of another.
Bunch of fucking slaves!
I don't consent to shit. I have an equal claim of right to this world and it's resources. I am a fucking god.
That's what they all say.
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When you vote you are only consenting to your own enslavement. You are saying that you are incapable of representing yourself in matters of your rights and you agree to participate in a system where some other random jackass will represent you. You place your life into the hands of another.
Bunch of fucking slaves!
I don't consent to shit. I have an equal claim of right to this world and it's resources. I am a fucking god.
That's what they all say.
I rant out my thoughts in these big long messes of a post, and you come in here and manage to eloquently sum up my thoughts in 5 short words.
Your okay Balls... your okay.
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I mean, whats your goals in life man? You never going to buy property? Never going to get a real job? How in the hell are you going to get the collateral to make any sort of change to the system, if you dont adhere to their rules first? It's a dumb fucking paradox and your just as much a part of it as the cattle you criticize. And that's the real enlightenment.. You feel good about your meager living? That's cool man.. I really do respect that coming from someone who can understand that.. but at the same time I don't bash the people out there making better money, living their life paying taxes, buying property, following the laws, growing old having lived a good life.. Most people around my locale live into their 80's or longer if they don't fall victim to an accident or ailment. Is your life bad? Because if its not.. what is your fucking problem...
Look man, I was born. I didn't ask to be , but here I am, this power unleashed upon the world. Since a young age, I have been fed lies and propaganda to try to turn my mind into jelly so that I would support evil and bow to the power structures in place. But, I'm not here to play the game. I'm here to learn, grow and become a god. When Jesus went into the temple, he didn't see the moneychangers and think, 'hey, now maybe I should get a good job doing what they do, so that I too might secure a comfortable position amongst men in this world.' No, he threw the fucking tables in the air and called them all out for their evil.
I, being a human being, on this rock, have as much of a claim of right to this land and it's resources as anyone else. No man stands above me. I will not concede my power to anyone. I do not grant my authority to other men, so that they can kill innocent people on my behalf. Or, that they can steal on my behalf. I do not grant my authority, so that other men may work in cahoots to poison people for profit. To sell us death and disease. To lie, to indoctrinate, to spread conquest and evil as far as the mind can see.
I want no parts of this evil thing you call government.
I don't need to be a part of the system to overcome the system. The system has already failed.
We live under the crumbling shadow of the system.
Nothing need be done, nothing need be accomplished, no fiat currency acquired, no property purchased, the world is ours for the taking.
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Someone really should unfuck how much this site fucks up quoting
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I think that we expect better from a country that claims to be the best nation on this earth. Sure people have it worst in other countries but we also have the capability to have it better.
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The angst is strong in this thread.
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I mean, whats your goals in life man? You never going to buy property? Never going to get a real job? How in the hell are you going to get the collateral to make any sort of change to the system, if you dont adhere to their rules first? It's a dumb fucking paradox and your just as much a part of it as the cattle you criticize. And that's the real enlightenment.. You feel good about your meager living? That's cool man.. I really do respect that coming from someone who can understand that.. but at the same time I don't bash the people out there making better money, living their life paying taxes, buying property, following the laws, growing old having lived a good life.. Most people around my locale live into their 80's or longer if they don't fall victim to an accident or ailment. Is your life bad? Because if its not.. what is your fucking problem...
Look man, I was born. I didn't ask to be , but here I am, this power unleashed upon the world. Since a young age, I have been fed lies and propaganda to try to turn my mind into jelly so that I would support evil and bow to the power structures in place. But, I'm not here to play the game. I'm here to learn, grow and become a god. When Jesus went into the temple, he didn't see the moneychangers and think, 'hey, now maybe I should get a good job doing what they do, so that I too might secure a comfortable position amongst men in this world.' No, he threw the fucking tables in the air and called them all out for their evil.
I, being a human being, on this rock, have as much of a claim of right to this land and it's resources as anyone else. No man stands above me. I will not concede my power to anyone. I do not grant my authority to other men, so that they can kill innocent people on my behalf. Or, that they can steal on my behalf. I do not grant my authority, so that other men may work in cahoots to poison people for profit. To sell us death and disease. To lie, to indoctrinate, to spread conquest and evil as far as the mind can see.
I want no parts of this evil thing you call government.
I don't need to be a part of the system to overcome the system. The system has already failed.
We live under the crumbling shadow of the system.
Nothing need be done, nothing need be accomplished, no fiat currency acquired, no property purchased, the world is ours for the taking.
That's actually much cooler and respectable than my previous assumptions. I feel ya.. I used to want to think like that, but.. Idk, with all the shit and having seen friends follow similar paths and face such bad hardships simply because they did nothing instead of something.. Again, I see your point though. If you truly do feel earnest about your mission to learn and not become corrupted by the shadow of the system.. you really need to not concern yourself.. and I mean that in earnest. There are a lot of things in life and in the news I'm constantly bombarded with in casual conversation.. and it surprises the players when sometimes, I just have no opinion because I have completely separated myself from certain themes.. you have to, because if you get talked into taking a side, then you feel obligated to stand up for it. Sometimes no side is right, and choosing not to participate is the only personal victory to be had.
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That's actually much cooler and respectable than my previous assumptions. I feel ya.. I used to want to think like that, but.. Idk, with all the shit and having seen friends follow similar paths and face such bad hardships simply because they did nothing instead of something.. Again, I see your point though. If you truly do feel earnest about your mission to learn and not become corrupted by the shadow of the system.. you really need to not concern yourself.. and I mean that in earnest. There are a lot of things in life and in the news I'm constantly bombarded with in casual conversation.. and it surprises the players when sometimes, I just have no opinion because I have completely separated myself from certain themes.. you have to, because if you get talked into taking a side, then you feel obligated to stand up for it. Sometimes no side is right, and choosing not to participate is the only personal victory to be had.
I agree with that my friend. I tend to talk shit from time to time, especially when I'm drinking, but honestly, I just don't give a fuck. I read the news and it's nothing, but bullshit fear mongering that has absolutely zero impact on my life. ISIS... Ebola. Illegals. Obama. Fuck it all. I still live my life as a free man and as long as I'm not harming anyone, I do whatever the fuck I want. All this other bullshit is just background noise, a distraction.
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True slave? Haha do you work a job? Pay taxes? Sign up for medicaid? Your a hypocrit.. Unless your actively working underground coming some sort of coalition.. Your spouting off dramatic rhetoric that is ultimately just as much bullshit as the things you condescend. You still have the right to comain if you vote? Why the fuck would t you, you fucktard? Are you so you g and naive that you can't see past your on pride. Because that's all that is.. Pride. If I vote for someone and they lie or betray their intention, I have every right in the world to complain, raise hell, and fight back. You think all the people who hate Obama voted for the other guy? All the people that voted for bush still loved him after his reign? Maybe you need to enlighten yourself..
I haven't paid taxes in many years, FUCK THE IRS, I will never pay taxes again. It honestly doesn't matter, because everytime I did file before, they told me that I was so poor that they were going to give me some free money that they stole from someone else. FUCK THAT. And, no, if you vote you have ABSOLUTELY NO FUCKING RIGHT TO COMPLAIN. You consented to a system where your vote would be tallied against all other votes and you agreed to the outcome. If you actually thought that your vote mattered or that the person you voted for had any fucking obligation to you, you are a fucking retard.
I don't vote, I don't pay taxes (except sales tax, which there's really no way of getting around). I do work, I do work under the table, I currently live on around $600 a month. I don't have a bank account, IDGAF!
Of course you have a right to complain if you vote, people do this all the time (and for good reason) when their political representative backflip on election promises and core policies for whatever reason. Simply giving legitimacy to the system by participating in it does not disqualify your right to complain or mean that you agreed to an outcome that wasn't on the table at the time of voting.
I'd also argue that political representatives in a liberal democracy have some sort of obligation to their voters, as they purport to represent them, were elected on the basis that they would try and achieve the obligations set for themselves in policy and rhetoric, and face the prospect of being held to account at the next election if they fail to perform. Of course some individuals will abandon their electorate's interests after gaining power, but it's a stretch to claim that political representatives have absolutely no obligation to the constituents of their electorate in a liberal democratic system - they do, but it's an individual choice as to how far they pursue these obligations, if at all. In this regard politicians are a mixed bag.
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Of course you have a right to complain if you vote, people do this all the time (and for good reason) when their political representative backflip on election promises and core policies for whatever reason. Simply giving legitimacy to the system by participating in it does not disqualify your right to complain or mean that you agreed to an outcome that wasn't on the table at the time of voting.
I'd also argue that political representatives in a liberal democracy have some sort of obligation to their voters, as they purport to represent them, were elected on the basis that they would try and achieve the obligations set for themselves in policy and rhetoric, and face the prospect of being held to account at the next election if they fail to perform. Of course some individuals will abandon their electorate's interests after gaining power, but it's a stretch to claim that political representatives have absolutely no obligation to the constituents of their electorate in a liberal democratic system - they do, but it's an individual choice as to how far they pursue these obligations, if at all. In this regard politicians are a mixed bag.
The US is supposed to be a republic, not a 'liberal democracy'.
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The 2 party system has been completely corrupted for a long ass time now. Probably since the civil war.
Seriously our system is so easily manipulated. I was brought up to believe anyone can be president if they try hard enough. What a load of donkey shit. When we elect somebody for president is is not rich and who has no connections to others in high government positions, I will believe in the system.
We americans are fucking blind masochists, time after time electing ppl to represent us who have NO IDEA what it means to work for a living, have no idea what it's like to live a day in the real world. We are given the THINLY veiled illusion of a choice between 2 people.. give me a break. Case in point, Obama. I know there are plenty of haters out there who think he has turned the US into a communist wasteland but really he didn't do SHIT. Republicans blocked him at every turn.. do I think if Repubs went along with him that the country really would have changed? Not a chance. The powers that be know what is going to happen before it ever comes up for a vote. Obama hasn't done SHIT. But to be fair, neither would Romney or Mccaine.
This world is fuckkkked up. N it is going to take some uncomfortable sacrifices to get back on the right track. Problem is these sacrifices aren't good politics. So whoever gets into power is going to kick the can down the road, and the people will turn a blind eye, until ruin grabs us by the balls so that we cannot ignore it any longer and all I can say is sorry to the people of the future but I hope I'm not alive when shit goes down.
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Of course you have a right to complain if you vote, people do this all the time (and for good reason) when their political representative backflip on election promises and core policies for whatever reason. Simply giving legitimacy to the system by participating in it does not disqualify your right to complain or mean that you agreed to an outcome that wasn't on the table at the time of voting.
I'd also argue that political representatives in a liberal democracy have some sort of obligation to their voters, as they purport to represent them, were elected on the basis that they would try and achieve the obligations set for themselves in policy and rhetoric, and face the prospect of being held to account at the next election if they fail to perform. Of course some individuals will abandon their electorate's interests after gaining power, but it's a stretch to claim that political representatives have absolutely no obligation to the constituents of their electorate in a liberal democratic system - they do, but it's an individual choice as to how far they pursue these obligations, if at all. In this regard politicians are a mixed bag.
The US is supposed to be a republic, not a 'liberal democracy'.
Uhh, yeah, they aren't mutually exclusive. A republic can still be democratic.
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This guy is obnoxious. I stopped paying attention 3 minute in, because I've heard this rant before. Which isn't to say he's completely wrong. Federal elections are a fucking joke. I've been filing write in protest votes for the past few elections. Vermin Supreme for President!
Local elections absolutely matter though. I get involved in some of the local campaigns, judges, school board, etc. Your vote can make your city or county a tangibly better place. When the local library lost a lot of their funding, I canvassed the damn city pushing for a millage increase, and helped convince a lot of people that it was a thing worthy of their tax dollars.
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Of course you have a right to complain if you vote, people do this all the time (and for good reason) when their political representative backflip on election promises and core policies for whatever reason. Simply giving legitimacy to the system by participating in it does not disqualify your right to complain or mean that you agreed to an outcome that wasn't on the table at the time of voting.
most people don't keep putting their hand on the stove after they've been burned.
the thing that irks me most about voting is the two-party system - in most cases it's a two-horse race where both horses are fundamentally the same, and they both rape you afterwards.
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Of course you have a right to complain if you vote, people do this all the time (and for good reason) when their political representative backflip on election promises and core policies for whatever reason. Simply giving legitimacy to the system by participating in it does not disqualify your right to complain or mean that you agreed to an outcome that wasn't on the table at the time of voting.
most people don't keep putting their hand on the stove after they've been burned.
the thing that irks me most about voting is the two-party system - in most cases it's a two-horse race where both horses are fundamentally the same, and they both rape you afterwards.
Yeah, the two-party system definitely sucks. I personally prefer the idea of a multi-party system, although obviously any party system has pros and cons.
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Besides the fact that in a lot of places there are laws against going on the ballot if you aren't one of the two major parties (talk about undemocratic!), one of the major problems is the 'first past the post' system of American elections. No one votes third party, because they're afraid of wasting their vote, and hurting the side they don't hate most.
You know that if we had a ballot system where you could, for example, rank candidates with first place getting three votes, second getting two, third getting one (a proposal I've seen), the major parties would be doomed in short order.
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The thing about the two party system is that it either a. forms naturally when we are left to our democratic principals or b. It was formed intentionally because it serves the elite. Either way we're fucked and either way we have no say.
That being said. I'm done. I'm voting obama. Fucking naysayers telling me he can't get a third term.
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Fuck Obama, I'm voting a Gore/Warren ticket next election. Hell, I'd rather vote for Reagan's corpse than Hillary, Reagan was a better democrat than she'll ever be.
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The thing about the two party system is that it either a. forms naturally when we are left to our democratic principals
Although most developed nations contain liberal, as well as democratic, elements that may be seen as being more conducive to a multi-party system.