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Carnality => Bad Ideas => Topic started by: mojo4567 on October 07, 2014, 08:54:44 pm

Title: How to start a revolution?
Post by: mojo4567 on October 07, 2014, 08:54:44 pm: i have tried setting houses on fire, spray painting political quotes, helping protests, and dropping anti-government fliers. fucking nobody will revolt against the government though no matter what i do. i might get party v& but whatever, any ideas?
Title: Re: How to start a revolution?
Post by: Soso0 on October 07, 2014, 10:33:01 pm: Some guy near a college area around here was walking around collecting emails and signatures to support government anti corruption. I did get emails about some events they were having but didn't bother showing up cause I moved a little too far away.

Maybe you could use this site to get the ball rolling, I'm dissapointed at how the country is going right now
Title: Re: How to start a revolution?
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Title: Re: How to start a revolution?
Post by: Idiosyncrasy on October 07, 2014, 11:14:18 pm: How would setting someone's house on fire revolt against the government? That's someone's home. Be mad at the man, not your neighbor.

What is your true expectation of someone revolting against the government? How would you measure success of this? You say people do nothing, but what would doing something effective look like?
Title: Re: How to start a revolution?
Post by: mojo4567 on October 08, 2014, 11:31:40 pm: Quote from: Idiosyncrasy on October 07, 2014, 11:14:18 pm
How would setting someone's house on fire revolt against the government? That's someone's home. Be mad at the man, not your neighbor.

What is your true expectation of someone revolting against the government? How would you measure success of this? You say people do nothing, but what would doing something effective look like?

I dont really know but the cops crackdown when peoples houses go ablaze here which prompts lots of outlash. Overall im too stupid to lead a revolution but will help in one
Title: Re: How to start a revolution?
Post by: Sirfearoth on October 08, 2014, 11:59:58 pm: Quote from: Idiosyncrasy on October 07, 2014, 11:14:18 pm
How would setting someone's house on fire revolt against the government? That's someone's home. Be mad at the man, not your neighbor.

What is your true expectation of someone revolting against the government? How would you measure success of this? You say people do nothing, but what would doing something effective look like?

Ask the Romanov family
Title: Re: How to start a revolution?
Post by: Vulture on October 09, 2014, 12:35:10 am: Two conditions intersect:

1. Major problems abound
2. People actually realize that their votes don't count
Title: Re: How to start a revolution?
Post by: DOOM on October 09, 2014, 01:39:24 am: hopefully the revolution will be televised
Title: Re: How to start a revolution?
Post by: Toxication on October 09, 2014, 01:54:47 am: Find the right people.It seems hard.Also, I had a old yuppie handbook on revolting but it's gone now...

Oh!If you have some creative colleagues,start and underground paper!Hand it out to people.Make your writing persuasive!If you can convince people to join,they'll tell others.
Title: Re: How to start a revolution?
Post by: Arnox on October 09, 2014, 02:55:58 am: Quote from: DOOM on October 09, 2014, 01:39:24 am
hopefully the revolution will be televised

Ha! In this day and age? The question isn't if it will be. It's if it WON'T.

OP: I would recommend reading up on the history of past revolutions. What drove people to revolt? What was the government doing? What had it done in the past? Who/what group led the revolution and what was he/she/they like? Living conditions for middle/lower class? etc. Now, the game has changed somewhat with the advent of the internet and recording devices EVERYWHERE now. This makes the communication of ideas much easier and at the same time infinitely more hard as it's incredibly easy to get drowned out in the noise of everyone elses voices.

HOWEVER, I believe that you should actually try to keep such a thing as secret as possible when it's first beginning. Gain your few key members, have them perhaps spread the word to other people they trust. Then slowly branch out from there. Keep everything as coordinated and neat as possible.
Title: Re: How to start a revolution?
Post by: Darkhunter on October 09, 2014, 03:39:34 am: The revolution has begun: it's given us the Corporate Oligarchy.
Title: Re: How to start a revolution?
Post by: Sirfearoth on October 09, 2014, 07:07:21 am: Quote from: Darkhunter on October 09, 2014, 03:39:34 am
The revolution has begun: it's given us the Corporate Oligarchy.

Hate to burst your bubble but that revolution happened a long time ago. There has been an oligarchy running thus country since the mid 1800s. The banking elite of the world pulling string for a very long time.
Title: Re: How to start a revolution?
Post by: beavis2323 on October 09, 2014, 06:36:26 pm: why do you want a revolution in the first place
Title: Re: How to start a revolution?
Post by: DiStOrTiOn on October 09, 2014, 10:15:49 pm: Quote from: Sirfearoth on October 09, 2014, 07:07:21 am
Quote from: Darkhunter on October 09, 2014, 03:39:34 am
The revolution has begun: it's given us the Corporate Oligarchy.

Hate to burst your bubble but that revolution happened a long time ago. There has been an oligarchy running thus country since the mid 1800s. The banking elite of the world pulling string for a very long time.

if that were true, what was the point of the Butler conspiracy in the late 30s?
Title: Re: How to start a revolution?
Post by: IAmA on October 10, 2014, 04:50:42 am: The answer is simple..

Become a cop, kill a black man in St. Louis.
Title: Re: How to start a revolution?
Post by: Ninja on October 10, 2014, 05:28:14 am: Find a National Guard armory. There MIGHT be upwards of two guys guarding it... That's a good start to a revolution.

Security is an illusion.

The System is extremely vulnerable.
Title: Re: How to start a revolution?
Post by: Arnox on October 10, 2014, 12:49:27 pm: Quote from: Ninja on October 10, 2014, 05:28:14 am
The System is extremely vulnerable.

At certain points, yes.
Title: Re: How to start a revolution?
Post by: Rizzo in a box on October 10, 2014, 12:51:41 pm: Uh, the revolution is happening RIGHT THE FUCK NOW. Wake the fuck up. Do you not understand shit? You're a dirty criminal. Haha. "how to start a revolution" - what a joke! There's no way to start it - or end it - it's in motion. No one can touch it. Enjoy the chaos that will proceed.
Title: Re: How to start a revolution?
Post by: GatewayX on October 22, 2014, 03:05:44 am: You need guns,lots of guns....
Title: Re: How to start a revolution?
Post by: Goats on October 22, 2014, 03:54:37 am: Ok, you have some guns.

The military still has Delta Force. They also have guns. And tanks. And UAV's with missiles.
Title: Re: How to start a revolution?
Post by: Soso0 on October 22, 2014, 04:00:30 am: Quote from: GatewayX on October 22, 2014, 03:05:44 am
You need guns,lots of guns....
That's not enough, anyone can get a gun. Knowledge is power. Be aware of what is really going on around you and enlighten others.
Title: Re: How to start a revolution?
Post by: starvingniglet on October 22, 2014, 04:01:07 am: Quote from: Goats on October 22, 2014, 03:54:37 am
Ok, you have some guns.

The military still has Delta Force. They also have guns. And tanks. And UAV's with missiles.

This ^^^
Any 'revolution' would be facing 19-20 year old soldiers that can run for miles with 100lb. of gear, and are at their physical prime as far as eyesight and reaction time. Not to mention they would be trained and armed to the teeth. If you happen to even get a hint that the military is in the area, get as far away as possible, because they will probably just shoot every male they see and move on.
Title: Re: How to start a revolution?
Post by: 1983 on October 22, 2014, 04:06:27 am: ^Do they have a crossbow that they can make exploding bolts for though. ;)

If you want to start a revolution you'd have to start by attacking peoples sense of comfort. Take out water, Sewer, and Hydro country wide then watch the pot boil. There's only so much a government and the systems in place can do on that scale, Look at what Katrina did and that'd be a walk in the park compared to what I'm suggesting.

Most people don't know how to survive without modern amenities, Give them comfort and give them cause and you're guerrilla army will grow.

Al
Title: Re: How to start a revolution?
Post by: starvingniglet on October 22, 2014, 04:09:59 am: Quote from: 1983 on October 22, 2014, 04:06:27 am
^Do they have a crossbow that they can make exploding bolts for though. ;)

I like the idea of airguns. They have some high caliber ones that are pretty intriguing.
Title: Re: How to start a revolution?
Post by: 1983 on October 22, 2014, 04:13:44 am: Quote from: starvingniglet on October 22, 2014, 04:09:59 am
Quote from: 1983 on October 22, 2014, 04:06:27 am
^Do they have a crossbow that they can make exploding bolts for though. ;)

I like the idea of airguns. They have some high caliber ones that are pretty intriguing.

Look up the caselman smg.
(http://thehomegunsmith.com/pics/caselman-mg.jpg)

Your welcome. :)

Al
Title: Re: How to start a revolution?
Post by: starvingniglet on October 22, 2014, 04:18:25 am: Quote from: 1983 on October 22, 2014, 04:13:44 am
Quote from: starvingniglet on October 22, 2014, 04:09:59 am
Quote from: 1983 on October 22, 2014, 04:06:27 am
^Do they have a crossbow that they can make exploding bolts for though. ;)

I like the idea of airguns. They have some high caliber ones that are pretty intriguing.

Look up the caselman smg.
(http://thehomegunsmith.com/pics/caselman-mg.jpg)

Your welcome. :)

Al

:tup:

I wonder what it sounds like though, that would be the main advantage of using something like this, to quietly take out 'important' types on the opposing side....
Title: Re: How to start a revolution?
Post by: Goats on October 22, 2014, 04:22:00 am: The only way to take out important types, ie, high ranking officers, is an insider attack.

To get near them, you have to penetrate the front line, the rear lines, the forward bases, the rear bases, then however many kilometres it is to headquarters or base camp.

And even if you use a 'quiet' airrifle to kill a General, that shit will be all over the media and all throughout the military, that a General has been assassinated. Which kind of negates the idea of quiet killing.

And a helmet will stop a air rifle pellet. As will a glass window with a fly screen.
Title: Re: How to start a revolution?
Post by: starvingniglet on October 22, 2014, 04:28:11 am: Quote from: Goats on October 22, 2014, 04:22:00 am
ie, high ranking officers

thats way more ambitious than what I meant. Important like, drivers, any expensive to train technical or vehicle crews, etc...anything to cause the other side losses.
Title: Re: How to start a revolution?
Post by: Goats on October 22, 2014, 04:30:29 am: In a modern, developed country, the best way to have a revolution is a coup d'etat. If it fails you end up with a massive civil war and everything gets destroyed.

So, you have to make comrades with police, military, emergency services, local militant types such as ex-soldiers and 'patriot groups' and hope you do not get detected by counter intelligence, which the police, military, etc etc are going to report you to immediately as they will probably think it is a counter intelligence investigation and don't want to end up against a wall and shot to death, which is what would happen if you tried to do something like this.

And the news would be something like this:

"Local man shot to death in bungled drug deal" or "Man hacked to death with meat cleaver in home invasion robbery gone wrong"
Title: Re: How to start a revolution?
Post by: Goats on October 22, 2014, 04:31:54 am: Quote from: starvingniglet on October 22, 2014, 04:28:11 am
Quote from: Goats on October 22, 2014, 04:22:00 am
ie, high ranking officers

thats way more ambitious than what I meant. Important like, drivers, any expensive to train technical or vehicle crews, etc...anything to cause the other side losses.

That works as a terrorist attack. During war, or 'insurgency', all supply lines are protected by military means, including overhead air cover.

And doing it as a terrorist attack will probably be recorded on CCTV anyway, provided we are talking about a first world country here.
Title: Re: How to start a revolution?
Post by: 1983 on October 22, 2014, 04:46:34 am: Only real way to get to any high ranking officials is before it hits the fan would be with some very well placed HEs.

Al
Title: Re: How to start a revolution?
Post by: Arnox on October 22, 2014, 05:38:22 am: It's not just about key targets, sometimes if at all. If you have the support of a large majority of people in the country, that's going to make things very difficult for the government, to say the least. In fact, it's most likely going to be the deciding factor. And you guys are also forgetting that many people in the armed forces have their own families too. People they care about. Their own opinions. Some may very well break off and join the resistance as well.

In fact, one wonders if we could possibly forgo a whole lot of unnecessary bloodshed if we as a people reached out to the ones in the armed forces and asked for their support, asking them if they really wish to give their lives to defend a bunch of corrupt politicians and a broken government.
Title: Re: How to start a revolution?
Post by: 1983 on October 22, 2014, 06:02:54 am: ^
Keep in mind people are scared and lazy for the most part... If they're lives get infinitely harder and the comforts they've become accustomed to are no longer there usually it pushes one to make a decision and move.

Desperation and strife, Sprinkle that shit on everything.

Al
Title: Re: How to start a revolution?
Post by: Rook on October 22, 2014, 06:18:07 am: While most people seem to get huffed up about what they read/see in the news.. the fact of the matter is, at the heart of it all.. most people simply don't care. They complain about their jobs, their pay, and the politics of this country or the next. But as long as they have food on their table, their families, friends, and a lifestyle they can effectively maintain.. they dont care very much. Sure, the popular thing to do is complain.. and its possibly due to the fact they unsatisfied people are constantly venting their frustrations that nothing of real importance ever happens in regard to a "revolution". It's easy to say things are bad and want to do something.. but when you have to get off your ass and actually do it.. well, that 8-4 decently paying job doesnt look so bad, why cause yourself any unnecessary trouble. It'll only be when there is a sufficient action made that makes a sudden enough impact on our lives, that simply going on as if it didn't happen is no longer an option. There is usually a lot of media or hear-say attention directed towards the rumor "The Gov'ment gonna come take yer Guns!".. Well, no one has knocked on my door yet, and until they do.. I probably will take these statements with a grain of salt for the sake of the fear mongering paranoid people saying it.. But.. And this is a big But, if their ever were officials of a sort to show up and try and personally disarm me and fellow americans.. this country would erupt into a warzone. I will admit that "We the people" are undoubtedly under control, to an extent.. At the same time, I feel the American people and nation in general is a sleeping giant.. If provoked wrongfully by our own government or an outside nation, I really do feel that the response it would solicit would be irrevocably violent, and that's putting it lightly. Even if our government or armed forces failed us (assuming a foreign invasion), I think the American people are a inwardly savage people.. you bring that to the surface and your guaranteed all kinds of trouble.