Ego => Spurious Generalities => Topic started by: degenerate matter on October 02, 2014, 09:47:35 am
Title: Well folks, it looks like the TOTSE legacy is finally dead
Post by: degenerate matter on October 02, 2014, 09:47:35 am
All good things must come to an end... For 6 months or so after Jeff pulled the plug, I thought Zoklet might be capable of carrying on the torch, but I'm now willing to concede that I was dead wrong. What was once a powerful empire has merely limped along for the past 4 years, and now it's ready to meet its final resting place.
Before SpectraL starts spewing nonsense like a broken record, I'd like to clarify that the death of TOTSE had little to do with corrupt admins and abuse of content. The internet has simply changed, an optimist might say evolved. The information age is over, and we're entering a new paradigm, one in which normal everyday folks have infiltrated the web and perpetually pollute a potentially productive environment with parasitic drivel. Erm, 'social networking'. It's a shame but I suppose inevitable. The first time I opened the &T homepage it was on a 486 running a very old release of debian, which was connected to the LAN and 28.8k modem that I had set up and configured myself. See, back then you had to know at least as much as a modern day compsci undergrad just to get on the web, so a board where smart people could gather to discuss controversial topics and share information was able to grow and thrive. These days, computers and those other new fangled devices that sport wireless chipsets are dirt cheap, and easy enough for a toddler to use. Subsequently, the former giants have been overshadowed, usurped by corporate monopolies like Facebook that cater primarily to the double digit IQ crowd. The poisonous population has placed us in an inescapable predicament.
This can't be reversed, as web 2.0 has sunk its roots deep into the heart of our former paradise. This forum will die within a year or two and the internet world will carry on its circlejerk of likes, upvotes, hashtags and cat videos for time immemorial.
And let's not forget how the state of the world and IRL society has contributed to gutting communities like the former temple of the screaming electron. People are scared shitless and paranoid as all fuck. And for good reason too. Citizens of most first world countries have lost an incredible amount of freedom over the last decade, and it's only getting worse with each passing day, as new legislation is drawn up and the media fills our heads with propaganda, germinating the seeds of fear. Everything we do is watched and scrutinized, monitored and cataloged to be used against us at a later date. Nobody wants to be a part of that shit, so nobody is willing to talk openly about the subjects that &T was built on, namely pyro and drug syntheses.
Yep, it's all over. There will never be another TOTSE or another RogueSci. We had our window of chaos and anarchy, just as the wild west preceded industrialized civilization. The new internet order is here my friends, and it's built upon ad networks, cross site tracking, data mining, general dismantling of privacy, and gross overuse of javascript and flash animations.
Title: Re: Well folks, it looks like the TOTSE legacy is finally dead
Post by: -SpectraL on October 02, 2014, 10:07:53 am
Excuses, excuses and even more excuses. Even at the end, they're still spouting their lame duck and dives. Nothing to see here, folks.
Title: Re: Well folks, it looks like the TOTSE legacy is finally dead
Post by: Infinityshock on October 02, 2014, 10:21:07 am
Negative nancy is on a roll today
Title: Re: Well folks, it looks like the TOTSE legacy is finally dead
Post by: splooge gook on October 02, 2014, 10:28:20 am
You make the OP knowing full well that there will be no change in your posting habits for the foreseeable future
Title: Re: Well folks, it looks like the TOTSE legacy is finally dead
Post by: mark311 on October 02, 2014, 12:10:23 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/YuDfLlU.jpg)
Title: Re: Well folks, it looks like the TOTSE legacy is finally dead
Post by: splooge gook on October 02, 2014, 12:14:21 pm
shut the fuck up mark
Title: Re: Well folks, it looks like the TOTSE legacy is finally dead
Post by: mark311 on October 02, 2014, 12:17:35 pm
Title: Re: Well folks, it looks like the TOTSE legacy is finally dead
Post by: Bart the General on October 02, 2014, 12:49:57 pm
Didn't read
"finally"
Of all the threads you've made about something that wasn't that phenomenal "finally" dying, 5 years after it literally spontaneously combusted, this is the best username you've had when you did it.
This place is a joke that's absolutely haram
Title: Re: Well folks, it looks like the TOTSE legacy is finally dead
Post by: RisiR on October 02, 2014, 12:52:21 pm
I agree with the OP.
Just let it be.
Title: Re: Well folks, it looks like the TOTSE legacy is finally dead
Post by: mojo4567 on October 02, 2014, 12:55:38 pm
Its not that people are scared I think, its that people dont see the internet as a viable form for communication of these things. I have seen this in my peers when I bring up things like dark net markets. Because its the internet they assume everyone is the fuzz and scammers and sell syepd on shit. Infact though I have seen more people get busted irl. The internet is seen as a toy, not a tool for intelligent discussion.
Title: Re: Well folks, it looks like the TOTSE legacy is finally dead
Post by: RisiR on October 02, 2014, 01:01:40 pm
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The internet is seen as a toy, not a tool for intelligent discussion.
The internet is EVERYTHING! Fuck intelligent discussion. If I had to choose between porn and "intelligent discussion"....
:laugh:
Title: Re: Well folks, it looks like the TOTSE legacy is finally dead
Post by: Infinityshock on October 02, 2014, 01:01:43 pm
There is no totse legacy...there never has been
Let nature runbits course and leave the dead in peace
Stop whining about it
Title: Re: Well folks, it looks like the TOTSE legacy is finally dead
Post by: Rocklin on October 02, 2014, 03:41:38 pm
Title: Re: Well folks, it looks like the TOTSE legacy is finally dead
Post by: degenerate matter on October 02, 2014, 04:33:12 pm
Excuses, excuses and even more excuses. Even at the end, they're still spouting their lame duck and dives. Nothing to see here, folks.
Aw, no rebuttal? Nothing at all? What's the matter -SpectraL, upset that the glory days are over and you're more than 2/3 through your natural lifespan?
Title: Re: Well folks, it looks like the TOTSE legacy is finally dead
Post by: Endmediocrity on October 02, 2014, 08:12:55 pm
True. Things will never be the same. Brings a tear to my eye for real.
Title: Re: Well folks, it looks like the TOTSE legacy is finally dead
Post by: Zero on October 02, 2014, 09:25:23 pm
Spastics like OP ruined Totse's legacy.
Amen.
Title: Re: Well folks, it looks like the TOTSE legacy is finally dead
Post by: Idiosyncrasy on October 02, 2014, 09:58:21 pm
Those who are unable to adapt to change are the ones who get left behind. I'm sorry for your loss, OP.
Title: Re: Well folks, it looks like the TOTSE legacy is finally dead
Post by: Arnox on October 02, 2014, 10:35:43 pm
Holy balls. Are we all going to have nuclear war too and have a famine where we resort to cannibalism as well, OP?
Title: Re: Well folks, it looks like the TOTSE legacy is finally dead
Post by: bling bling on October 02, 2014, 10:38:11 pm
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Title: Re: Well folks, it looks like the TOTSE legacy is finally dead
Post by: Darkhunter on October 02, 2014, 11:37:45 pm
Speaking of all things that are DEAD, how is Long Live Zoklet treating ya? You aren't making good progress in that exciting contest for a usertitle. What's the matter Darkhunter, nothing useful to add or contribute to ANY community? *giggles*
And its very very amusing seeing you and DarkRodent swap spit now, actually planning to get together IRL. The two of you had a bitchslap fest that lasted for many months and hundreds upon hundreds of the most immature posts possible, and now the two of you are acting like besties. It kinda "fits" actually, you 2 will probably be great for each other.
Title: Re: Well folks, it looks like the TOTSE legacy is finally dead
Post by: Darkhunter on October 05, 2014, 07:50:27 am
Speaking of all things that are DEAD, how is Long Live Zoklet treating ya? You aren't making good progress in that exciting contest for a usertitle. What's the matter Darkhunter, nothing useful to add or contribute to ANY community? *giggles*
And its very very amusing seeing you and DarkRodent swap spit now, actually planning to get together IRL. The two of you had a bitchslap fest that lasted for many months and hundreds upon hundreds of the most immature posts possible, and now the two of you are acting like besties. It kinda "fits" actually, you 2 will probably be great for each other.
Why are you happy Totse and Zoklet are dead? You caused it just as much as the "kidiots" with your non-stop multi-year long bitching tirades.
Title: Re: Well folks, it looks like the TOTSE legacy is finally dead
Post by: SBTlauien on October 05, 2014, 07:56:28 am
To be 100% honest, when I signed up on Totse way back in like 2002, I didn't really even like it that much. I liked the Shroomery better. Totse wasn't bad, I did post there, but not much.
It is time to move on and accept it that the internet is changing and that's life for those of us that are on the internet most of out lives.
Go with evilution
Title: Re: Well folks, it looks like the TOTSE legacy is finally dead
Post by: degenerate matter on October 05, 2014, 08:14:47 am
It is time to move on and accept it that the internet is changing and that's life for those of us that are on the internet most of out lives.
Go with evilution
But what's the new paradigm for people like us? Where can we go to escape dragnet surveillance, censorship, political correctness and the practically unlimited reach of the large social networks?
Title: Re: Well folks, it looks like the TOTSE legacy is finally dead
Post by: Arnox on October 05, 2014, 08:17:32 am
But what's the new paradigm for people like us? Where can we go to escape dragnet surveillance, censorship, political correctness and the practically unlimited reach of the large social networks?
Here?
Title: Re: Well folks, it looks like the TOTSE legacy is finally dead
Post by: SBTlauien on October 05, 2014, 08:29:19 am
It is time to move on and accept it that the internet is changing and that's life for those of us that are on the internet most of out lives.
Go with evilution
But what's the new paradigm for people like us? Where can we go to escape dragnet surveillance, censorship, political correctness and the practically unlimited reach of the large social networks?
Onion land.
Title: Re: Well folks, it looks like the TOTSE legacy is finally dead
Post by: degenerate matter on October 05, 2014, 08:33:44 am
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Here?
LOL
You don't even have SSL/TLS, meaning anyone can sniff traffic or perform a MITM attack between our networks and your server, you ban people for posting publicly available 'personal' info and photos of clothed pubescent females, you modded fucking ZEK of all people, and you can count the number of active contributing users on the hand of a kid who held on to a shoddily fused pipe bomb a bit too long.
'IntoSanctuary' more like IntoShithole.
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Onion land.
Since the fall of FH it seems like most of the good sites are permanently gone.
Title: Re: Well folks, it looks like the TOTSE legacy is finally dead
Post by: Arnox on October 05, 2014, 09:21:38 am
You don't even have SSL/TLS, meaning anyone can sniff traffic or perform a MITM attack between our networks and your server, you ban people for posting publicly available 'personal' info and photos of clothed pubescent females, you modded fucking ZEK of all people, and you can count the number of active contributing users on the hand of a kid who held on to a shoddily fused pipe bomb a bit too long.
'IntoSanctuary' more like IntoShithole.
Well, since it's so bad here, maybe I should help ease your pain by ejecting you from this terrible "shithole" that is so lacking in user numbers yet you keep coming back to over and over and OVER. Perhaps you're trying to tell me that you like to eat shit?
Title: Re: Well folks, it looks like the TOTSE legacy is finally dead
Post by: degenerate matter on October 05, 2014, 09:32:21 am
I just come here because I enjoy reading unstable matter's posts.
Title: Re: Well folks, it looks like the TOTSE legacy is finally dead
Post by: -SpectraL on October 05, 2014, 09:34:52 am
Well, since it's so bad here, maybe I should help ease your pain by ejecting you from this terrible "shithole" that is so lacking in user numbers yet you keep coming back to over and over and OVER. Perhaps you're trying to tell me that you like to eat shit?
He's the retard who stole all the usernames and posted CP with them.
Title: Re: Well folks, it looks like the TOTSE legacy is finally dead
Post by: Arnox on October 05, 2014, 10:01:40 am
Why are you happy Totse and Zoklet are dead? You caused it just as much as the "kidiots" with your non-stop multi-year long bitching tirades.
Same ole Darkhunter, avoiding comments people actually say....and just prattles on about stuff nobody came close to expressing.
Considering I was banned over 2/5 of the time Zoklet was even open, I couldn't have been any less instrumental on the end result of that place if I tried. Unless of course you include the fact Zok stubbornly went against EVERY suggestion I ever made, just to spite his enemies....and in the end his idiotic direction(?) and management(?) of the place is what led to its downfall.
But to address your idiotic comment, in regards to Totse....I was actually quite saddened and disgusted by its closing. Although I also believe it was no mere coincidence it was literally days before a new administration took over at the White House, as I am a realist when it comes to these kinds of things.
As for Zoklet, sure I took a lot of delight when it closed....but how couldn't I? Because once EVERYTHING comes to fruition just like I saw coming for literally years, it is a bit of an ego stroke. And the fact Zok ended up falling on his own sword with his family being victim to PI abuse when he encouraged/harbored PI abusers for so long.....was an absolute just and whimsical ending to an epic comedy.
Title: Re: Well folks, it looks like the TOTSE legacy is finally dead
Post by: inb4bowden on October 05, 2014, 01:52:03 pm
But to address your idiotic comment, in regards to Totse....I was actually quite saddened and disgusted by its closing. Although I also believe it was no mere coincidence it was literally days before a new administration took over at the White House, as I am a realist when it comes to these kinds of things.
Are you really a realist for real, really really?
Just fucking kill yourself already you retarded loser with an inchlong intestinal tract
Title: Re: Well folks, it looks like the TOTSE legacy is finally dead
Post by: splooge gook on October 05, 2014, 02:17:52 pm
daguru thinks obama shut down totse
Title: Re: Well folks, it looks like the TOTSE legacy is finally dead
Post by: inb4bowden on October 05, 2014, 03:54:44 pm
I have to beleive daguru doesn't mean or believe in anything to types and is really just an elaborate gimmicktroll or else I'll feel the need to stare at the ceiling and reflect on how I got to the point in my life where I'm interacting via the internet with such a person
Title: Re: Well folks, it looks like the TOTSE legacy is finally dead
Post by: -SpectraL on October 05, 2014, 03:59:03 pm
I have to beleive daguru doesn't mean or believe in anything to types and is really just an elaborate gimmicktroll or else I'll feel the need to stare at the ceiling and reflect on how I got to the point in my life where I'm interacting via the internet with such a person
If you don't like hearing the truth, go suck on a wet sock or something. Or use ignore, if you're that whiny, which apparently you are.
Title: Re: Well folks, it looks like the TOTSE legacy is finally dead
Post by: inb4bowden on October 05, 2014, 04:03:19 pm
I have to beleive daguru doesn't mean or believe in anything to types and is really just an elaborate gimmicktroll or else I'll feel the need to stare at the ceiling and reflect on how I got to the point in my life where I'm interacting via the internet with such a person
If you don't like hearing the truth, go suck on a wet sock or something. Or use ignore, if you're that whiny, which apparently you are.
The truth is Obama shut down totse and having sex with children is alright
end your life immediately
Title: Re: Well folks, it looks like the TOTSE legacy is finally dead
Post by: splooge gook on October 05, 2014, 04:19:20 pm
I have a theory that -spectral is actually a law enforcement officer who purposely bitches about every minor administrative change so that the mods stop taking the userbase seriously within a month or q of non-stop senility, leading all valid suggestions to be discarded because "our users will bitch about anything" and the eventual downfall of whatever current website
Title: Re: Well folks, it looks like the TOTSE legacy is finally dead
Post by: millionsofdeadcats on October 05, 2014, 04:21:23 pm
I have a theory that -spectral is actually a law enforcement officer who purposely bitches about every minor administrative change so that the mods stop taking the userbase seriously within a month or q of non-stop senility, leading all valid suggestions to be discarded because "our users will bitch about anything" and the eventual downfall of whatever current website
Why would law enforcement want these places to shut down? That would be like a gunman dumping out the barrel that he was just using to 'shoot fish'.
Title: Re: Well folks, it looks like the TOTSE legacy is finally dead
Post by: -SpectraL on October 05, 2014, 04:23:59 pm
Looks like I better change my worm.
*starts reeling in line*
Title: Re: Well folks, it looks like the TOTSE legacy is finally dead
Post by: inb4bowden on October 05, 2014, 05:50:27 pm
I have a theory that -spectral is actually a law enforcement officer who purposely bitches about every minor administrative change so that the mods stop taking the userbase seriously within a month or q of non-stop senility, leading all valid suggestions to be discarded because "our users will bitch about anything" and the eventual downfall of whatever current website
That sounds like the aspirations of a pathetic, old, boring and stupid lowly skilled laborer, not a law enforcement official
Title: Re: Well folks, it looks like the TOTSE legacy is finally dead
Post by: Darkhunter on October 06, 2014, 04:40:32 am
Why are you happy Totse and Zoklet are dead? You caused it just as much as the "kidiots" with your non-stop multi-year long bitching tirades.
Same ole Darkhunter, avoiding comments people actually say....and just prattles on about stuff nobody came close to expressing.
Considering I was banned over 2/5 of the time Zoklet was even open, I couldn't have been any less instrumental on the end result of that place if I tried. Unless of course you include the fact Zok stubbornly went against EVERY suggestion I ever made, just to spite his enemies....and in the end his idiotic direction(?) and management(?) of the place is what led to its downfall.
But to address your idiotic comment, in regards to Totse....I was actually quite saddened and disgusted by its closing. Although I also believe it was no mere coincidence it was literally days before a new administration took over at the White House, as I am a realist when it comes to these kinds of things.
As for Zoklet, sure I took a lot of delight when it closed....but how couldn't I? Because once EVERYTHING comes to fruition just like I saw coming for literally years, it is a bit of an ego stroke. And the fact Zok ended up falling on his own sword with his family being victim to PI abuse when he encouraged/harbored PI abusers for so long.....was an absolute just and whimsical ending to an epic comedy.
*Yawn*
This is EXACTLY what I was talking about.
Title: Re: Well folks, it looks like the TOTSE legacy is finally dead
Post by: 007GoldenShower on October 06, 2014, 08:36:24 am
OP is a faggot.
Title: Re: Well folks, it looks like the TOTSE legacy is finally dead
Post by: DaGuru on October 06, 2014, 12:14:34 pm
Really? Because since you are being purposefully vague and obscure, I STILL don't know exactly what the fuck you are trying to "talk about".....besides your made up fanciful fairy tales. Elaborate and make your point, or else you are just doing what you do....grade school fail-trolling trying to flame someone with epic futility.
Title: Re: Well folks, it looks like the TOTSE legacy is finally dead
Post by: WAN on October 08, 2014, 06:31:07 pm
Why are you happy Totse and Zoklet are dead? You caused it just as much as the "kidiots" with your non-stop multi-year long bitching tirades.
Same ole Darkhunter, avoiding comments people actually say....and just prattles on about stuff nobody came close to expressing.
Considering I was banned over 2/5 of the time Zoklet was even open, I couldn't have been any less instrumental on the end result of that place if I tried. Unless of course you include the fact Zok stubbornly went against EVERY suggestion I ever made, just to spite his enemies....and in the end his idiotic direction(?) and management(?) of the place is what led to its downfall.
But to address your idiotic comment, in regards to Totse....I was actually quite saddened and disgusted by its closing. Although I also believe it was no mere coincidence it was literally days before a new administration took over at the White House, as I am a realist when it comes to these kinds of things.
As for Zoklet, sure I took a lot of delight when it closed....but how couldn't I? Because once EVERYTHING comes to fruition just like I saw coming for literally years, it is a bit of an ego stroke. And the fact Zok ended up falling on his own sword with his family being victim to PI abuse when he encouraged/harbored PI abusers for so long.....was an absolute just and whimsical ending to an epic comedy.
Elaborate please.
Title: Re: Well folks, it looks like the TOTSE legacy is finally dead
Post by: DaGuru on October 08, 2014, 06:36:40 pm
Title: Re: Well folks, it looks like the TOTSE legacy is finally dead
Post by: -SpectraL on October 08, 2014, 07:00:30 pm
The vast majority of the feds, narcs, LEOs and investigators who have traveled right along with us through both Totse and Zoklet have actually been operating out of Ohio. Anybody else find that weird?.
Ohio.. high in the middle and round at both ends.. and literally FULL of cyber law enforcement characters! Who knew!!?
Title: Re: Well folks, it looks like the TOTSE legacy is finally dead
Post by: starvingniglet on October 08, 2014, 07:04:53 pm
Totse closed on January 17th 2009. Obama took office January 19th 2009. Its not too much of a secret that when a new administration takes office oftentimes funding and focus does change to some degree depending on the attitudes of the new regime. Many times it may be completely out in the open with things like funding space exploration, or in the case of national security black ops and other things that are more covert.
I've heard many theories over the years that Totse was taken over many years earlier by the feds, as a way to track and attract any would be bad guys. ESPECIALLY in a post 9/11 world where all the rules changed....if you can frisk grannies at the airport and not allow people to carry on a bic lighter for all the world to see, one can only imagine just how far "in the shadows" they would go...literally not leaving any possible stone unturned. If they brought on board a literal army of TSA agents, air marshalls, and all the equipment to tighten the reigns on air travel, is it so incredible to think they would also invest time, money and manpower to start monitoring if not directing how the internet was operating....especially how viral everything has gotten since then?
Totse and Zoklet more than likely were just honeypots for the feds and state law enforcement to track potential criminals...and any other off-shoot agencies like the ones that Coupon Guy got caught by. Totse closed because they might have realized the funding would no longer be there, or the new incoming regime had different ideas what to do with those personnel or assets. Or maybe just slice the funding, and those still managing Totse realized with limited manpower and focus they couldn't do their jobs any better. Zoklet now became a viable honeypot to track and attract criminals....only this time it might have been guided more on the state instead of federal level with whoever was in charge. Ever find it funny how SO MANY of the higher ups at Zoklet were from Ohio? Zok, Vladie, O_RLY, Unwyred...etc.
It also explains why during the Zok administrative era of both sites they never ever made a serious attempt at bettering the quality of posters....because if you DID have a board made up of very savy and street capable adults...then dumber/lazier/sloppier criminals wouldn't freely post on a board where they were so out of place.
Lastly, think of how IDchief was promoted and allowed to advertise for so many months. Everyone knew it was illegal, producing, possessing, using fake IDs is common sense against the law. But it WAS allowed on Zoklet for significant time....yet right out of the other side of Zok's mouth in regard to Coupon Guy...."herp, derp, I had to help the feds...I was subpoena'd".
These are just a few pieces of the puzzle, and perhaps I am just an alarmist conspiracy theorist coming up with fanciful bullshit. A lot of it fits though, and IS very relevant in a post 9/11 society where so many of our personal liberties have been trampled on....and how dependent/obsessed the world is with the internet.
Title: Re: Well folks, it looks like the TOTSE legacy is finally dead
Post by: DaGuru on October 08, 2014, 07:26:24 pm
The vast majority of the feds, narcs, LEOs and investigators who have traveled right along with us through both Totse and Zoklet have actually been operating out of Ohio. Anybody else find that weird?.
Ohio.. high in the middle and round at both ends.. and literally FULL of cyber law enforcement characters! Who knew!!?
What HE said! 8)
Title: Re: Well folks, it looks like the TOTSE legacy is finally dead
Post by: -SpectraL on October 08, 2014, 07:33:42 pm
Totse closed on January 17th 2009. Obama took office January 19th 2009. Its not too much of a secret that when a new administration takes office oftentimes funding and focus does change to some degree depending on the attitudes of the new regime. Many times it may be completely out in the open with things like funding space exploration, or in the case of national security black ops and other things that are more covert.
I've heard many theories over the years that Totse was taken over many years earlier by the feds, as a way to track and attract any would be bad guys. ESPECIALLY in a post 9/11 world where all the rules changed....if you can frisk grannies at the airport and not allow people to carry on a bic lighter for all the world to see, one can only imagine just how far "in the shadows" they would go...literally not leaving any possible stone unturned. If they brought on board a literal army of TSA agents, air marshalls, and all the equipment to tighten the reigns on air travel, is it so incredible to think they would also invest time, money and manpower to start monitoring if not directing how the internet was operating....especially how viral everything has gotten since then?
Totse and Zoklet more than likely were just honeypots for the feds and state law enforcement to track potential criminals...and any other off-shoot agencies like the ones that Coupon Guy got caught by. Totse closed because they might have realized the funding would no longer be there, or the new incoming regime had different ideas what to do with those personnel or assets. Or maybe just slice the funding, and those still managing Totse realized with limited manpower and focus they couldn't do their jobs any better. Zoklet now became a viable honeypot to track and attract criminals....only this time it might have been guided more on the state instead of federal level with whoever was in charge. Ever find it funny how SO MANY of the higher ups at Zoklet were from Ohio? Zok, Vladie, O_RLY, Unwyred...etc.
It also explains why during the Zok administrative era of both sites they never ever made a serious attempt at bettering the quality of posters....because if you DID have a board made up of very savy and street capable adults...then dumber/lazier/sloppier criminals wouldn't freely post on a board where they were so out of place.
Lastly, think of how IDchief was promoted and allowed to advertise for so many months. Everyone knew it was illegal, producing, possessing, using fake IDs is common sense against the law. But it WAS allowed on Zoklet for significant time....yet right out of the other side of Zok's mouth in regard to Coupon Guy...."herp, derp, I had to help the feds...I was subpoena'd".
These are just a few pieces of the puzzle, and perhaps I am just an alarmist conspiracy theorist coming up with fanciful bullshit. A lot of it fits though, and IS very relevant in a post 9/11 society where so many of our personal liberties have been trampled on....and how dependent/obsessed the world is with the internet.
Thanks for taking the time to explain it to me, Guru.
Now, do you think that this site might be another honeypot?
Title: Re: Well folks, it looks like the TOTSE legacy is finally dead
Post by: helladamnleet on October 09, 2014, 12:01:02 am
*insert posting explaining exactly why here*
Honestly, I can only say "You're spreading the community too thin" so many times.
Title: Re: Well folks, it looks like the TOTSE legacy is finally dead
Post by: starvingniglet on October 09, 2014, 12:04:52 am
Thanks for taking the time to explain it to me, Guru.
Now, do you think that this site might be another honeypot?
Do you agree with my observations so far WAN, or just the ramblings of a madman? Anyone else?
And while I don't think this is a honeypot (at least yet)....we are obviously being watched. The whole internet is, and the fact open discussion is being talked about in regard to crimes, drugs, bombs....its naive to think we aren't on "their" radar. Period.
Title: Re: Well folks, it looks like the TOTSE legacy is finally dead
Post by: WAN on October 09, 2014, 12:17:40 am
Thanks for taking the time to explain it to me, Guru.
Now, do you think that this site might be another honeypot?
Do you agree with my observations so far WAN, or just the ramblings of a madman? Anyone else?
And while I don't think this is a honeypot (at least yet)....we are obviously being watched. The whole internet is, and the fact open discussion is being talked about in regard to crimes, drugs, bombs....its naive to think we aren't on "their" radar. Period.
I do agree with you guru and I too think that we might be watched on this site, as well.
Title: Re: Well folks, it looks like the TOTSE legacy is finally dead
Post by: Darkhunter on October 09, 2014, 03:43:14 am
Thanks for taking the time to explain it to me, Guru.
Now, do you think that this site might be another honeypot?
Do you agree with my observations so far WAN, or just the ramblings of a madman? Anyone else?
And while I don't think this is a honeypot (at least yet)....we are obviously being watched. The whole internet is, and the fact open discussion is being talked about in regard to crimes, drugs, bombs....its naive to think we aren't on "their" radar. Period.
I do agree with you guru and I too think that we might be watched on this site, as well.
Says the admitted schtizo
Title: Re: Well folks, it looks like the TOTSE legacy is finally dead
Post by: Arnox on October 09, 2014, 03:56:34 am
Guys, it doesn't matter if we are being watched or not. You should ALWAYS ASSUME THAT YOU ARE for obvious reasons.
Title: Re: Well folks, it looks like the TOTSE legacy is finally dead
Post by: Soso0 on October 09, 2014, 04:18:18 am
Totse closed on January 17th 2009. Obama took office January 19th 2009. Its not too much of a secret that when a new administration takes office oftentimes funding and focus does change to some degree depending on the attitudes of the new regime. Many times it may be completely out in the open with things like funding space exploration, or in the case of national security black ops and other things that are more covert.
I've heard many theories over the years that Totse was taken over many years earlier by the feds, as a way to track and attract any would be bad guys. ESPECIALLY in a post 9/11 world where all the rules changed....if you can frisk grannies at the airport and not allow people to carry on a bic lighter for all the world to see, one can only imagine just how far "in the shadows" they would go...literally not leaving any possible stone unturned. If they brought on board a literal army of TSA agents, air marshalls, and all the equipment to tighten the reigns on air travel, is it so incredible to think they would also invest time, money and manpower to start monitoring if not directing how the internet was operating....especially how viral everything has gotten since then?
Totse and Zoklet more than likely were just honeypots for the feds and state law enforcement to track potential criminals...and any other off-shoot agencies like the ones that Coupon Guy got caught by. Totse closed because they might have realized the funding would no longer be there, or the new incoming regime had different ideas what to do with those personnel or assets. Or maybe just slice the funding, and those still managing Totse realized with limited manpower and focus they couldn't do their jobs any better. Zoklet now became a viable honeypot to track and attract criminals....only this time it might have been guided more on the state instead of federal level with whoever was in charge. Ever find it funny how SO MANY of the higher ups at Zoklet were from Ohio? Zok, Vladie, O_RLY, Unwyred...etc.
It also explains why during the Zok administrative era of both sites they never ever made a serious attempt at bettering the quality of posters....because if you DID have a board made up of very savy and street capable adults...then dumber/lazier/sloppier criminals wouldn't freely post on a board where they were so out of place.
Lastly, think of how IDchief was promoted and allowed to advertise for so many months. Everyone knew it was illegal, producing, possessing, using fake IDs is common sense against the law. But it WAS allowed on Zoklet for significant time....yet right out of the other side of Zok's mouth in regard to Coupon Guy...."herp, derp, I had to help the feds...I was subpoena'd".
These are just a few pieces of the puzzle, and perhaps I am just an alarmist conspiracy theorist coming up with fanciful bullshit. A lot of it fits though, and IS very relevant in a post 9/11 society where so many of our personal liberties have been trampled on....and how dependent/obsessed the world is with the internet.
I would not doubt any of that one bit. The government is full of sneaky bastards. I guess it would make more sense for those with schemes like the Coupon Guy had to keep it to themselves.
Title: Re: Well folks, it looks like the TOTSE legacy is finally dead
Post by: mmmmmmmQuestions on October 09, 2014, 04:22:22 am
Thanks for taking the time to explain it to me, Guru.
Now, do you think that this site might be another honeypot?
Do you agree with my observations so far WAN, or just the ramblings of a madman? Anyone else?
And while I don't think this is a honeypot (at least yet)....we are obviously being watched. The whole internet is, and the fact open discussion is being talked about in regard to crimes, drugs, bombs....its naive to think we aren't on "their" radar. Period.
I do agree with you guru and I too think that we might be watched on this site, as well.
I'm watching you watching me and I like it :-[
Title: Re: Well folks, it looks like the TOTSE legacy is finally dead
Post by: Darkhunter on October 09, 2014, 05:35:59 am
Title: Re: Well folks, it looks like the TOTSE legacy is finally dead
Post by: helladamnleet on October 09, 2014, 03:33:37 pm