Society => Weapons & Combat => Topic started by: GothicSeraph on September 23, 2014, 03:38:06 pm
Title: Hunting Rifle
Post by: GothicSeraph on September 23, 2014, 03:38:06 pm
I am looking for a new rifle to deal with a Boar problem I have. Budget for my next build is about a grand, while going through some old material I had bookmarked for a slow day at work I stumbled across the "1000 Yard rifle for $500" http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2011/06/foghorn/ttag-project-1000-yard-rifle-for-500/ (http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2011/06/foghorn/ttag-project-1000-yard-rifle-for-500/) which ended up being good for about 500 yards.
The build: Mossberg 100 ATR in .308 Win – $310 Primary Arms 3-9×40 Scope and Rings – $105 Winchester 6″-9″ Bipod – $40 TOTAL: $455
I have gone on deer hunts, but deer are not going to attack the way a ticked off Boar will.
So on to my questions, has any body here had experience with a Boar hunt? Also anyone have a Mossberg or experience with their quality?
Google and reviews help but personal experience is a lot better, thanks.
Title: Re: Hunting Rifle
Post by: 1983 on September 26, 2014, 12:42:54 am
What ranges are you looking for and how much punch do you need in your round?
I have an old 1915 lee enfield .303 Mark III and two years I literally removed a section of spine cleanly out of a deer with it. Cost me $50 for the gun.
I also have a H&R 45-70... Not good for long distance but if you hit something with it it's not getting back up. 300 GR SP are one good way to end a bad day.
Really I'd suggest you try a few different firearms out, Borrow a buddies that might look good in your hands and go from there.
For a nice mid range gun I used to use my 336 30-30 marlin lever action and it's put five deer in the freezer, Good stopping power but I'm not sure how a hog would take it.
Al
Title: Re: Hunting Rifle
Post by: Iamgod on September 26, 2014, 07:49:20 am
how exactly are you planning on hunting em are we talking blind/stand hunting or spotlighting em or are we talking on the ground stalking em? also what kind of terrain are we talking? I've done all of the above and what was appropriate for the style of hunting varied wildly
Title: Re: Hunting Rifle
Post by: GothicSeraph on September 26, 2014, 10:36:46 am
how exactly are you planning on hunting em are we talking blind/stand hunting or spotlighting em or are we talking on the ground stalking em? also what kind of terrain are we talking? I've done all of the above and what was appropriate for the style of hunting varied wildly
Spotlighting, and its open field.
Title: Re: Hunting Rifle
Post by: ph0x on September 27, 2014, 02:45:47 am
You really want something big and fat for hog, 308 can glance off if you hit it at the wrong angle.
.45-70, .444 Marlin, 458 socom.
Something like that.
Title: Re: Hunting Rifle
Post by: Iamgod on September 27, 2014, 03:49:31 am
spotlighting em we always used suppressed AR's generally in .458 or 300BLK with aimpoints or ACOG's mainly because it wasn't uncommon to see 20+ hogs at a time and the extra capacity,quick target acquisition, and semi-auto nature of the AR was appreciated.
As far as bolt action rifles go I'm not a fan of mossbergs rifles a friend of mine had an ATR 100 and had nothing but issues with it. if your looking to stay under $1000 savage makes a pretty damn good product especially in the 10/110 and 11/111 trophy hunter lines accurate .308 or .338 with a damn nice trigger and pretty decent scope for around 600$
as far as ph0x's comment goes it really depends on how you're planning on spotlighting em if your doing it from the back of a truck you gotta worry a little less about pissing em off. If your on foot however when we were stalk hunting em we'd either use the AR's or lever action (henry marlin etc etc) rifles in .44 .444 marlin .30-06 and .45-70 with 1911's or large caliber revolvers as backup cause there is nothing meaner than a pissed off hog and a couple rounds from the .45 or a revolver would put em down on a bungled shot
EDIT also savage makes the 11/111 hog hunter in their specialty line around 450-490$ street price doesn't come with a scope but it does have a better threaded barrel and an arguably better stock
Title: Re: Hunting Rifle
Post by: GothicSeraph on September 27, 2014, 11:13:10 am
spotlighting em we always used suppressed AR's generally in .458 or 300BLK with aimpoints or ACOG's mainly because it wasn't uncommon to see 20+ hogs at a time and the extra capacity,quick target acquisition, and semi-auto nature of the AR was appreciated.
We are on foot.. I am thinking this is an excuse to convert one of my .223/5.56 to a 50 Beowulf.... Haha
You really want something big and fat for hog, 308 can glance off if you hit it at the wrong angle.
In all my research I have not heard of a bouncing .308 in fact I've seen it as the preferred round for penetration. But thanks for that possibility!
Title: Re: Hunting Rifle
Post by: Iamgod on September 27, 2014, 11:41:47 am
no problem if you have an AR already and have been thinking about converting I would recommend that for hogs. I don't have any experience with .50 beowulf but .458 and .300BLK put them down right quick with little effort and I highly doubt a round described as a "Flying Ashtray' would be any different.
If you have any more questions feel free to ask here or hit up my PM's
Title: Re: Hunting Rifle
Post by: bling bling on September 27, 2014, 12:02:37 pm
i prefer to get u p close with a knife
Title: Re: Hunting Rifle
Post by: Iamgod on September 27, 2014, 12:20:31 pm
no problem if you have an AR already and have been thinking about converting I would recommend that for hogs. I don't have any experience with .50 beowulf but .458 and .300BLK put them down right quick with little effort and I highly doubt a round described as a "Flying Ashtray' would be any different.
If you have any more questions feel free to ask here or hit up my PM's
A couple of my buddies up north have the .300BLK I forgot about that round. Thanks!
Title: Re: Hunting Rifle
Post by: Iamgod on September 28, 2014, 08:40:06 am
AAC definitely hit it out of the park with the .300BLK. comparatively low recoil and easy to shoot for what is basically .30-30 out of an AR. We ran probably 400-500 rounds of 147gr FMJ and 220gr SMK out of a 10.5" noveske upper with a Costal Gun Model X can and that was probably the most fun I've had in a long time at a range
Title: Re: Hunting Rifle
Post by: GothicSeraph on September 28, 2014, 01:47:21 pm
AAC definitely hit it out of the park with the .300BLK. comparatively low recoil and easy to shoot for what is basically .30-30 out of an AR. We ran probably 400-500 rounds of 147gr FMJ and 220gr SMK out of a 10.5" noveske upper with a Costal Gun Model X can and that was probably the most fun I've had in a long time at a range
That's pretty awesome, I looked it up and it definately looks like it would fit the bill.
Title: Re: Hunting Rifle
Post by: Goats on September 29, 2014, 05:13:18 am
If you wanna go cheap an SKS is fine and without a scope you will be able to score hits in an open field at 300m easy, and most boars are in dense scrub anyway so you don't need a scope at that range.
Aim above the front leg and a little behind it to hit the lungs and fill them with blood and drown the boar.
Title: Re: Hunting Rifle
Post by: slicknickns on September 29, 2014, 05:39:20 am
If you wanna go cheap an SKS is fine and without a scope you will be able to score hits in an open field at 300m easy, and most boars are in dense scrub anyway so you don't need a scope at that range.
Aim above the front leg and a little behind it to hit the lungs and fill them with blood and drown the boar.
300M? Bull-fucking-shit
Title: Re: Hunting Rifle
Post by: Goats on September 29, 2014, 05:41:41 am
Sorry I meant 100m.
Title: Re: Hunting Rifle
Post by: ricomock on September 29, 2014, 10:21:35 pm
If you wanna go cheap an SKS is fine and without a scope you will be able to score hits in an open field at 300m easy, and most boars are in dense scrub anyway so you don't need a scope at that range.
Aim above the front leg and a little behind it to hit the lungs and fill them with blood and drown the boar.
300M? Bull-fucking-shit
With decent ammo, 300m with a SKS is completely doable
Title: Re: Hunting Rifle
Post by: GothicSeraph on September 29, 2014, 10:47:01 pm
Well I went to the Store/Range ( I am lucky they are the same place ) and Did their "Try before you buy" and I Tried!
1) Tried a couple .300BLKs they shot awesome Surprisingly quiet for the punch the round had. - If I can find bulk ammo online its sold.
2) Armalite AR-10s with different stock configurations. Seriously would consider this as an all around option.
Title: Re: Hunting Rifle
Post by: ph0x on September 30, 2014, 07:02:11 am
An AR-10 in 35 Remington would be a hog killing machine.
Title: Re: Hunting Rifle
Post by: GothicSeraph on September 30, 2014, 03:01:54 pm
So I placed an order for a 300 blackout upper to convert my AR seems like the best option for versatility. Depending how the next couple months are, I would also like to get an AR10 because they were pretty fun.
Title: Re: Hunting Rifle
Post by: ph0x on September 30, 2014, 03:55:31 pm
You could have saved money by getting an AK, 300 BLK and x39 have similar ballistics.
Title: Re: Hunting Rifle
Post by: Infinityshock on October 01, 2014, 02:44:44 am
Well I went to the Store/Range ( I am lucky they are the same place ) and Did their "Try before you buy" and I Tried!
1) Tried a couple .300BLKs they shot awesome Surprisingly quiet for the punch the round had. - If I can find bulk ammo online its sold.
the best choice with .300BLK right now is to handload it yourself or find someone who can do it for you. youll have a lot more options with performance customization and an easier time getting ammo for an affordable price
Title: Re: Hunting Rifle
Post by: Infinityshock on October 01, 2014, 02:45:32 am
You really want something big and fat for hog, 308 can glance off if you hit it at the wrong angle.
.45-70, .444 Marlin, 458 socom.
Something like that.
.308 is just fine for hogs and ive never heard of one glancing off anything, except animals it wasnt designed to be used on. i know of quite a few people that use .308 out of a variety of rifles.
Title: Re: Hunting Rifle
Post by: Infinityshock on October 01, 2014, 03:05:45 am
I am looking for a new rifle to deal with a Boar problem I have. Budget for my next build is about a grand, while going through some old material I had bookmarked for a slow day at work I stumbled across the "1000 Yard rifle for $500" http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2011/06/foghorn/ttag-project-1000-yard-rifle-for-500/ (http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2011/06/foghorn/ttag-project-1000-yard-rifle-for-500/) which ended up being good for about 500 yards.
The build: Mossberg 100 ATR in .308 Win – $310 Primary Arms 3-9×40 Scope and Rings – $105 Winchester 6″-9″ Bipod – $40 TOTAL: $455
I have gone on deer hunts, but deer are not going to attack the way a ticked off Boar will.
So on to my questions, has any body here had experience with a Boar hunt? Also anyone have a Mossberg or experience with their quality?
Google and reviews help but personal experience is a lot better, thanks.
where i live the boars and hogs are a major problem. they fuck up peoples property something fierce and homeowners within the city limits arent allowed to shoot them unless they are threatening. their quantities have died down in the last year or so but before that there would be frequent late-night shootings followed by a plethora of pork showing up at the local farmers market or rotting carcasses in the woods.
a popular way of catching them is to trap them, that way no meat is destroyed and the trapper has the chance to feed them 'better' food to make the meat taste more palatable. i know a guy who does that in barter...the trappers bring him the pigs, he fattens them up, then in return the trapper brings him some of the butchered meat. while he is fattening them up he also uses them to clear his land. those disgusting bastards eat anything...including brush, and if they dont eat it...they trample it into goo.
the boar/hog hunts im familiar with take place at ranges of less than 50 yards, in heavy brush, and a second or less to sight and fire. 30-30 and 7.62 are the smallest rifle calibers i know of people using. theres a guy that uses a .44magnum but i dont know him well enough to have asked him anything about what he uses for ammo or what success hes had. ive heard of people using .223 out of ARs but ive never seen them shoot, hunt, or bring any hogs home. off hand i know of .270 win, 300 WMR, and 30-06 being used. in the hypothetical event i were to shoot one i would use handloaded 150g nosler ballistic tips in a 30-06 which would fragment inside the evil things and more often than not fully remain inside the carcass. the purpose wouldnt be for meat harvesting, it would be obnoxious pest extermination.
theres a guy i know who had shot a boar that ran off then when he finally tracked it down it seemed to be dead. he walked up to it...it not being dead...and being careless, it jammed a tusk through (completely...both sides) his calf.