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Title: god is math
Post by: splooge gook on September 19, 2014, 11:26:50 am
i am a microscopic portion of god's entirety. i  teared up.


you all stare but you'll never see there's something inside me
Title: Re: god is math
Post by: splooge gook on September 19, 2014, 11:30:23 am
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Title: Re: god is math
Post by: STD on September 19, 2014, 02:19:44 pm
Talking about numbers and god gets you into my local psych lockup pretty quick.
Title: Re: god is math
Post by: Obbe on September 19, 2014, 02:36:47 pm
Talking about numbers and god gets you into my local psych lockup pretty quick.

He's pretty much right though.
Title: Re: god is math
Post by: Ninja on September 19, 2014, 03:18:49 pm
Divide By Zero.
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Post by: bling bling on September 19, 2014, 06:02:08 pm
i am transmitting through the 11 dimensions to bring this message to YOU
Title: Re: god is math
Post by: Lanny on September 19, 2014, 06:27:46 pm
He's pretty much right though.

lol. But math assumes non-unity. Checkmate radical monists.
Title: Re: god is math
Post by: Midnight Sun on September 19, 2014, 06:30:43 pm
i am transmitting through the 11 dimensions to bring this message to YOU

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Title: Re: god is math
Post by: Obbe on September 19, 2014, 08:11:07 pm
He's pretty much right though.

lol. But math assumes non-unity. Checkmate radical monists.

Math isn't god.  But it is an expression of god.  Radical monists have nothing to do with this, dummy.
Title: Re: god is math
Post by: Lanny on September 20, 2014, 11:20:38 pm
"all is one" is basically the definition of radical monism
Title: Re: god is math
Post by: Proots on September 20, 2014, 11:47:08 pm
It's hard to sum up how important and integral math is to our existence in just one little sentence.
Title: Re: god is math
Post by: Lanny on September 21, 2014, 01:22:43 am
It's hard to sum up how important and integral math is to our existence in just one little sentence.

not sure if clever pun or not. It's hard to tell the differential in a textual format sometimes.
Title: Re: god is math
Post by: Proots on September 21, 2014, 01:29:36 am
It's hard to sum up how important and integral math is to our existence in just one little sentence.

not sure if clever pun or not. It's hard to tell the differential in a textual format sometimes.
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Title: Re: god is math
Post by: Daran on September 21, 2014, 04:13:05 am
I've got an amazing picture to post in this thread when I get on my other PC tomorrow.
Title: Re: god is math
Post by: Obbe on September 21, 2014, 07:22:14 am
"all is one" is basically the definition of radical monism

One must distinguish "stuff monism" from "thing monism". According to stuff monism there is only one kind of stuff (e.g. matter or mind), although there may be many things made out of this stuff. According to thing-monism there exists strictly speaking only a single thing (e.g. the universe), which can only be artificially and arbitrarily divided into many things.

So in either case how does math become impossible?

Title: Re: god is math
Post by: Lanny on September 21, 2014, 08:00:36 am
Materialism ("stuff monism" here) doesn't rule out the possibility of mathematics or mathematical modeling. Radical monism (a special case of "thing monism") rules it out because you need in order things to model them with math (addition is a 2 value operation, at least two values have to exist plus whatever background is required for "value", "operation", and the special case thereof to make sense). You also need a subject/object relationship for a person to do math. And if you grant mathematical objects ontological status (which seems like a prerequisite for claiming "god is math") then there's this whole big class of things which just became non-unified contents of reality.
Title: Re: god is math
Post by: SBTlauien on September 21, 2014, 08:03:20 am
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Post by: Daran on September 21, 2014, 12:09:02 pm
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Title: Re: god is math
Post by: Obbe on September 21, 2014, 03:53:03 pm
Materialism ("stuff monism" here) doesn't rule out the possibility of mathematics or mathematical modeling. Radical monism (a special case of "thing monism") rules it out because you need in order things to model them with math (addition is a 2 value operation, at least two values have to exist plus whatever background is required for "value", "operation", and the special case thereof to make sense). You also need a subject/object relationship for a person to do math. And if you grant mathematical objects ontological status (which seems like a prerequisite for claiming "god is math") then there's this whole big class of things which just became non-unified contents of reality.

If the whole is being artificially and arbitrarily divided into many things, that is math.  Therefore math is not impossible.
Title: Re: god is math
Post by: Lanny on September 21, 2014, 04:33:32 pm
Your definition of "artificially and arbitrarily" is either totally meaningless (such that there is no difference between something naturally or artificially divided)  or your definition of divided is. From previous discussions it's the latter. You've denied the claim that different regions of space can have different properties so while you might propose mathematics can operate on your "artificial divisions" it actually can't because when we get right down to it you deny these "artificial divisions" have any actual external existence.
Title: Re: god is math
Post by: Lanny on September 21, 2014, 04:36:11 pm
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Title: Re: god is math
Post by: Ninja on September 21, 2014, 04:37:00 pm
God is the Tri-force.
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Post by: Deviant on September 21, 2014, 05:23:03 pm
OP you spelled "meth" wrong
Title: Re: god is math
Post by: Obbe on September 21, 2014, 10:35:07 pm
Your definition of "artificially and arbitrarily" is either totally meaningless (such that there is no difference between something naturally or artificially divided)  or your definition of divided is. From previous discussions it's the latter. You've denied the claim that different regions of space can have different properties so while you might propose mathematics can operate on your "artificial divisions" it actually can't because when we get right down to it you deny these "artificial divisions" have any actual external existence.

Yin and yang have different properties.  However they also unite together, complete each other and would not exist without each other.  Therefore they are one.  When we get right down to it you're just telling me I shouldn't do math because I see the world differently then you, but you're wrong.  It is not impossible to see the world in more than one way.
Title: Re: god is math
Post by: RisiR on September 21, 2014, 10:39:37 pm
I like Lanny.  :jerkoff:
Title: Re: god is math
Post by: Lanny on September 22, 2014, 01:45:33 am
Quote from: Obbe
Yin and yang have different properties.  However they also unite together, complete each other and would not exist without each other.  Therefore they are one.

This is a reversal of an earlier claim, made by you, that different regions of space could not have different properties. No one has argued that things can't compose to have an emergent identity. It was you who would deny a tire is still a tire when it got bolted onto a car (because now "it is one" with the car). Do you reject the earlier claim or have you misstated your new position? If it's the former then great, you now have an ontological foundation for, well, basically anything and everything. If it's the latter then you still have an a totally batty position that's basically nihilism.

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When we get right down to it you're just telling me I shouldn't do math because I see the world differently then you, but you're wrong.  It is not impossible to see the world in more than one way.

I never claimed you can only see the world one way. Some ways of seeing it (including yours) are wrong or so muddled as to not even qualify to have a truth value. You can, obviously, do mathematic if you want but it doesn't make sense to do it giving your other beliefs and it's internally inconsistent if you want to make dorky claims like "god is math".
Title: Re: god is math
Post by: Max Headroom on September 22, 2014, 02:05:17 am
. God is god is man is the universe is man is all living beings is a simulation of a recreation of a digital representation of the universe. Everything is a layer within a layer within a layer but it's finite, and you never really know when the layers stop until you die.
Title: Re: god is math
Post by: astudioapartment on September 22, 2014, 02:48:08 am
A lot of things are god, math is just oneadem
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Post by: Eli on September 22, 2014, 09:36:56 am
i thought this was god is meth


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Title: Re: god is math
Post by: Obbe on September 22, 2014, 10:18:48 am
There's nothing wrong with the way I see the world.  And if it doesn't make sense to you, oh well, I don't really care.
Title: Re: god is math
Post by: splooge gook on September 22, 2014, 10:33:19 am
anything that can be mathematically written or described as a law are the only constants in what would otherwise be chaos. a law is omnipotent to everything else in reality, and a law is resilient and unchanging (except in special circumstances), these laws modulating the chaos around them and creating what we are today, along with the rest of everything and everywhere
Title: Re: god is math
Post by: splooge gook on September 22, 2014, 10:39:57 am
and sure there are many different perspectives to take on earth, but the only one that could every be objectively written or applicable would be mathematics. everything else undergoes constant decay. it may not seem that way because we're so weak we only live to like 75. in another thousand years we may just be a bombed out desert wasteland, the only thing will be relevant between now and then is how the physics of it all worked.

i wonder if things we consider mathematical laws can morph or distort in alternate universes and shit like that?

if that were the case, mathematicswouldn't be god, the core of the law would stay, while who knows how many variations are created on each law. or chaos. i'm psyching myself out abit a bit i think i need to lay down
Title: Re: god is math
Post by: mashleshmash on September 22, 2014, 04:58:35 pm
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Title: Re: god is math
Post by: Max Headroom on September 22, 2014, 05:16:15 pm
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Title: Re: god is math
Post by: Ninja on September 22, 2014, 05:41:20 pm
Math is boring and lifeless.  It's all about the energy.
Title: Re: god is math
Post by: Internet-Weed-Dude on September 22, 2014, 06:37:10 pm
Quote from: Obbe
Yin and yang have different properties.  However they also unite together, complete each other and would not exist without each other.  Therefore they are one.

This is a reversal of an earlier claim, made by you, that different regions of space could not have different properties. No one has argued that things can't compose to have an emergent identity. It was you who would deny a tire is still a tire when it got bolted onto a car (because now "it is one" with the car). Do you reject the earlier claim or have you misstated your new position? If it's the former then great, you now have an ontological foundation for, well, basically anything and everything. If it's the latter then you still have an a totally batty position that's basically nihilism.

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When we get right down to it you're just telling me I shouldn't do math because I see the world differently then you, but you're wrong.  It is not impossible to see the world in more than one way.

I never claimed you can only see the world one way. Some ways of seeing it (including yours) are wrong or so muddled as to not even qualify to have a truth value. You can, obviously, do mathematic if you want but it doesn't make sense to do it giving your other beliefs and it's internally inconsistent if you want to make dorky claims like "god is math".

Subtext;

"I'm more educated and intelligent than every person in this thread... Except for myself in which case it's a tie. Don't fuck with me or my assertions or I will verbally sodomize you and publicly."

Great to see you, Lanny. Long time. :)
Title: Re: god is math
Post by: splooge gook on September 23, 2014, 12:42:26 pm
anything that can be mathematically written or described as a law are the only constants in what would otherwise be chaos. a law is omnipotent to everything else in reality, and a law is resilient and unchanging (except in special circumstances), these laws modulating the chaos around them and creating what we are today, along with the rest of everything and everywhere

>nobody disputes a 17 y/os's argument for why math is god

well i guess laws can be mathematically written, written in english, in arbitray symbols. all of those things are representative of the laws, but can be described in different ways. so it would be more accurate to say logic is god, and any idea we create, graph out, describe,  and the new things we build are based on this logic which we can define all the way back to the creation of the big bang ("if there is no logic, anything can happen, so the big bang could just be coincidence from the absence of logic.).

would that leave us with randomness being the other half of our framework. some people think the universe is deterministic, but we also know there are constant leaps or alterations that are seemingly random in the quantum realm ,leaving us with two things to believe in

either that
 a. logic would be the most accurate metaphorical representation by the definition of god, and chaos would be the absence of logic (i.e. 0s and 1s)
b. logic and chaos are two seperate entities
(1 and ?)

Title: Re: god is math
Post by: bling bling on September 23, 2014, 01:53:25 pm
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Title: Re: god is math
Post by: mojo4567 on September 23, 2014, 01:55:42 pm
ur post have many flaws but is 100% i have been to the other sideee they took me down and BEAMMMED ME ABORD the craft as it hovered above my housing complex

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Title: Re: god is math
Post by: Lanny on September 23, 2014, 02:53:26 pm
Subtext;

"I'm more educated and intelligent than every person in this thread... Except for myself in which case it's a tie. Don't fuck with me or my assertions or I will verbally sodomize you and publicly."

Now that just makes me sound like a jerk :p. I would hope that a well reasoned argument is accessible to a rational person at any level of education.

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Great to see you, Lanny. Long time. :)

hai2u
Title: Re: god is math
Post by: bling bling on September 23, 2014, 02:59:34 pm
ur post have many flaws but is 100% i have been to the other sideee they took me down and BEAMMMED ME ABORD the craft as it hovered above my housing complex

Did they probe you? Did it make you horny

they took me 2 da institution and ran all kinds off testss