The Sanctuary
Society => Oh the Humanities! => Topic started by: Obbe on September 17, 2014, 11:37:33 am
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We all know that life invariably leads to death. And we all know that "dead" or "inorganic" matter has the potential to become life. Life and death, or "alive" and "dead" are defined as two different very states of being, complete opposites.
However, it seems to me that life and death are just words, imperfect human attempts at defining something that may very well go beyond definition. At what point does a person become alive? Or at what point does the living material of a mother and father become a person? Well according to society, it is whenever the law declares it to be.
At what point is a person who is dying in a hospital bed considered dead? At what point is a corpse no longer considered to be a person? When the "professionals" declare it to be so.
We all know these declarations are just attempts at making a clean cut where the truth is actually much more vague. We don't really know when a person becomes a person. We don't really know when they cease to be. We just try to make sense out of a vague situation, try to get all the pieces of the puzzle to line up straight.
Life and death are not absolute opposites. We may define them in such a way to feel like we understand our reality a little better, but the reality is that life and death are connected and lead into each other in a vague and mysterious way. Because life and death are just human attempts at understanding something that is beyond life and death. Life and death are our attempts at fitting reality into little boxes. In reality there is no life and death, there is just this continuous, vague phenomenon that builds up and releases, that goes up and down, back and forth, in and out and changes all the time.
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Stop plagiarizing Armsmerchant
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Stop plagiarizing Armsmerchant
I'm not. This is my own material.
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I remember arguing with Obbe over this shit for quite a while.
I'll leave the old thread here in case anyone wants to revisit:
http://www.zoklet.net/bbs/showthread.php?t=281565
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I remember arguing with Obbe over this shit for quite a while.
I'll leave the old thread here in case anyone wants to revisit:
http://www.zoklet.net/bbs/showthread.php?t=281565
Good thread :tup:
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Well because some people go into deep meditative states I've heard a corpse isn't dead until it starts rotting.
Becoming alive is a little different. I've always wondered what the transition point was like. Of course I was a child so I don't remember it, but that is hugely telling because in order to comprehend what alive is we need to learn a great deal. If I can comprehend existence that means I comprehend it as something distinct from non existence, something we've experienced before.
It's like the times I did salvia I saw life as a series of frames, but the frames weren't all that there was. They are contained in something. We are always contained by something and yet the container doesn't have boundaries.
Its far out stuff. Honestly if a mother wants to kill her born child I have no more problem with that than abortion - and thats to say it is irrelevant.
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I remember arguing with Obbe over this shit for quite a while.
I'll leave the old thread here in case anyone wants to revisit:
http://www.zoklet.net/bbs/showthread.php?t=281565
Good thread :tup:
Yeah, it was a good thread. I just re-read the whole thing. Almost ready to kick it back off. Haha.
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I remember arguing with Obbe over this shit for quite a while.
I'll leave the old thread here in case anyone wants to revisit:
http://www.zoklet.net/bbs/showthread.php?t=281565
Good thread :tup:
Yeah, it was a good thread. I just re-read the whole thing. Almost ready to kick it back off. Haha.
Sure but let's try to keep our posts a reasonable length this time around.
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Life and death are part of one big fractal which you will never see the end of.
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I remember arguing with Obbe over this shit for quite a while.
I'll leave the old thread here in case anyone wants to revisit:
http://www.zoklet.net/bbs/showthread.php?t=281565
Good thread :tup:
Yeah, it was a good thread. I just re-read the whole thing. Almost ready to kick it back off. Haha.
Sure but let's try to keep our posts a reasonable length this time around.
Actually, I had another look and you still hadn't grasped my point at the end of the third page. I'm not sure if there's any point continuing. For example:
FON: seems far more likely we will remain unconscious as only an infinitesimal fragment of the Universe becomes conscious.
Obbe: How does it seem more likely? What reasons do you base this on?
Based on the fact that the majority the Universe isn't in a conscious state, which is what I had been talking about for quite some time.
Your brain is fucked from too much acid.
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Maybe obbe is just like that.
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Even my friends who are into heaps of spiritual shit and have had their brains fried from way too many drugs aren't as far off the deep end as obbe.
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Even my friends who are into heaps of spiritual shit and have had their brains fried from way too many drugs aren't as far off the deep end as obbe.
You're exaggerating. You and I might not agree on everything but we're really not very different.
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Life and death are part of one big fractal which you will never see the end of.
This.
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Even my friends who are into heaps of spiritual shit and have had their brains fried from way too many drugs aren't as far off the deep end as obbe.
You're exaggerating. You and I might not agree on everything but we're really not very different.
Exaggerating what? I said you're further off the deep end than my permafried buddies, not that me and you are extremely different.
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Even my friends who are into heaps of spiritual shit and have had their brains fried from way too many drugs aren't as far off the deep end as obbe.
You're exaggerating. You and I might not agree on everything but we're really not very different.
Exaggerating what? I said you're further off the deep end than my permafried buddies, not that me and you are extremely different.
Exaggerating what you think of my mental state. I'm not some crazy acid casualty. I don't even do psychadelics anymore. Just because I like to see the world differently than you doesn't mean I've gone off the deep end or that my brain is fucked. You just say things like that because you've decided you don't like me.
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Life and death are part of one big fractal which you will never see the end of.
Do you think it can be defined or represented then? I'm not much of a math person, but fractals are cool as fuck, especially because they are everywhere - they are so much more than psychedelic wallpapers.