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Carnality => Better Living Through Chemistry => Topic started by: mojo4567 on September 13, 2014, 01:45:07 am
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I am just wondering what everyone thinks about the best method? I feel like buying straight MDP2P would be the best as you would get higher percent yield seeing as it is professionally made. However, it is SOOOO much fucking cheaper to buy some safrole/sassafras and convert. You also have to source out stuff like nitro-ethane if you go the safrole route.
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Hahaahaha....
Dude, when you synthesize true, pure, MDMA I'll inject 1 gram of it straight into my dick.
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Hahaahaha....
Dude, when you synthesize true, pure, MDMA I'll inject 1 gram of it straight into my dick.
MDMA can only get up to 85% pure give or take. MDMA is easy to synth if you have chemistry knowledge and training. i wouldnt know however, this is all talk of course ;)
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Synth it and I'll shoot it right up my dickvein.
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what i was thinking too
could be wrong also
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Im pretty sure the Feds already know the best way to synthesize it. that plus both sass and MDP2P are on federal watchlists. i dont think LE cares very much about synth talk.
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Nobody's been able to pick any holes in bright star's yet
also, why the fuck is constantinople banned?
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Nobody's been able to pick any holes in bright star's yet
also, why the fuck is constantinople banned?
see the problem with brightstars is that it takes so fucking long. in this day and age where sassafras is also a watched chemical i figure i might just go straight to MDP2P
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I've got a text file of a shitload of info but its all in one text file and not really organized and contains tables that cant be copied and pasted I dunno, I'll see if this works at least:
MDP2P from isosafrole
via the dibromide, bromohydrin and epoxide
Including Thermal Rearrangement of the Epoxide to MDP2P
Written by Uemura
HTML by Rhodium
The following experimental procedures disclose an old, but at the Hive not much - if anything - discussed (or known) approach from the propenylbenzenes to the 2-propanones.
The methods to be shown are easy, do not require any special chemicals and give all high yields in each of the steps from the propenylbenzen to the ketone. Likely not state of the art - the procedures are almost 100 years old -, this write-up gives nevertheless one so-far unknown clue on the epoxide-ketone re-arrangement mechanism.
The write-up is mainly based on two articles by Höring1 and by Mannich2. Uemura picked up the essential details from these two papers, some notes are added the end.
It should be noted that the authors have performed the ketone preparation on the anethole and isosafole, but, and this is where it may becomes interesting, it could work for the acid-sensitive asarone as well.
Experimental
Isosafroledibromide (CH2O2:)C6H3.CHBr.CHBr.CH3
100g Isosafrole is diluted with 100ml petrol ether. Under cooling with ice a solution of 100g bromine in 100ml petroleum ether is added dropwise. If crystals of the Isosafrolebromide are around, some crystals are added to initiate crystallisation when the addition of bromine has finished. The flask is put on ice and the lower part consisting of the dibromide gets solid after some hours. Yield 203g. The dibromide does not easily crystallize. mp is 52-53°C.N1
Isosafrolebromhydrine (CH2O2:)C6H3.CHOH.CHBr.CH3
100g Isosafroledibromine are dissolved in 300ml acetone, water is added as long as the solution stays clear (appr. 50ml). In addition, 16g of marble pieces (CaCO3) are added to neutralize the HBr which is produced by the hydrolysis of the dibromide. Carbon dioxide develops already in the cold. The mixture is heated then 2 hours on a hot water-bath. After 2 hours the aqueous CaBr2 solution is removed and another 40ml water is added. 2 more hours the rxn is heated on a water bath. Then the acetone is removed by distillation. The oily Isosafrolebromhydrine is extracted with etherN3, the ether solution is washed with water and dried in vacuum. Evap the ether. Yield 98%. The Isosafrolbromhydrine cannot be distilled in vacuum but will be used as it is for the next step.N2
Isosafroleepoxide (CH2O2:)C6H3.CHOCH.CH3
100g Isosafrolbromhydrine are disolved in 100ml alcohol. A solution of 25g KOH in 200ml alcohol is added. Immediately KBr seperates. The alcoholic solution is refluxed on a waterbath to complete the reaction.N4 Most of the alcohol is then removed by destillion. The solution is poured into water and the Isosafroleepoxide extracted with etherN3. Ether solution is dried and evaporated. Yield with respect to the dibromide is 88%. The Isosafroleepoxide is a colorless, good smelling oil which boils between 143-147°C under 12mm pressure.N5
3,4-Methylenedioxyphenyl-2-propanone, (CH2O2:)C6H3.CHOCH.CH3 i.e. MDP2P
The conversion of the Isosafroleepoxide into the ketone starts when the epoxide is heated to 220°C in a flask equipped with a air-cooled condenser. The temperature jumps up quickly to 280°C. When the exothermic rxn has finished, the mix is refluxed for a short period of time. The first destillation under normal pressure yields a colorless, almost non-smelling oil, which comes over between 280-290°C. Under 10mm pressure it boils between 149-151°C. Yield 80%N6
Isosafrole-2-propanone-oxime (CH2O2:)C6H3.CHNOHCH.CH3N7
3g ketone are solved in ethanol, 3g Hydroxylamine Hydrochloride, dissolved in a minimum amount of water, are added and the combined solution is make alkaline with concentrated Na2CO3 solution. After standing (hours..) and dilution with water, needles of the oxime seperate. They melt at 87°C. Recrist. from ethanol or diethyl ether.
Notes
1. Hörig uses ether instead of petroleum ether for the bromation. The dibromide is used as it is for the next step.
2. Mannich adds the calcium carbonate during the rxn. For the preparation of the corresponding asarone-bromohydrine the Höring approach with pieces of marble should work better, since the HBr is removed as it's produced.
3. Any other non-polar solvent should also be fine.
4. No duration specified by Höring.
5. There are of course other methods around to get to the epoxide, e.g. buffered peracetic methods or oxidation with H2O2 in MeCN/MeOH.
6. The conversion can also be performed by mixing the Isosafroleepoxide with GAA and adding some drops of H2SO4. But the main interesting point is, the epoxide does not explode, but re-arranges into the ketone! And: No need for Li-salts and ethyl acetate for the rearrangment. Just use heat! The peracid method will not likely work for asarone.
7. This is more for information. Oximes may however also be reduced to the amine, there are examples on the chief bees site. The anethole-oxime comes in a two isomeric variants with mp 61-62°C and with a mp of 72-74°C.
References
1. Höring, 'Über die Dibromide aromatischer Propenylverbindungen', Chem. Ber. 38, 3464 (1905)
2. Mannich, 'Studien in der Reihe des Adrenalins', Arch. Pharm. 248, 127 (1910)
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it looks like complete shit ;D
however, i think i will steal bits and pieces of this. it looks very helpful.
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Heres smore. I have one on MDP2P from Pipernol which pisses me off since I used to sell those red and yellow mario stars as ecstasy when they were really BZP and realized some lazy faggot chemist is underachieving.. Here's another MDPEP from some alks
Synthesis of MDP2P From 1,3-Benzodioxole
by Friedel-Crafts Alkylation with 2-Nitropropene
Written by Scooby Doo
HTML by Rhodium
To a 3-necked 500 ml flask under a nitrogen atmosphere was added 300 mL of dry DCM, 0.1 mole of 2-Nitropropene (8.7g) and 0.5 moles of 1,3-Benzodioxole (61 g). The flask was then secured within a dewar flask sitting on top of a magnetic stirplate. Dry ice was added to the dewar flask which was filled with acetone until a temperature of approx -78ºC was acquired. Once the internal flask temperature of -70ºC was reached, 0.1 mole (19 g) of TiCl4 was dripped slowly into the stirred solution. The temp started to rise so the addition was controlled to keep the internal flask temp around -60°C to -70ºC. The flask was then stirred for 30 mins at -70ºC, by which time the precipitate which formed from the addition had dissipated. The dewar flask was removed and the stirring solution was allowed to warm up to room temperature, during which time the black solution will change viscosity and colour.
To hydrolyze the formed nitro-titanium complex, 100 mls of water was added to the solution which was then refluxed for 2 hours. During the reflux a brown gas (probably NO2) is evolved. The flask was cooled and vacuum filtered (cleans it up a lot) the water layer seperated and discarded. The organic layer was then washed with 3x200 mL of 10% NaOH and 1x200 mL of a brine solution. It was then dried with magnesium sulfate, the DCM evaporated and resulting orange-yellow oil vacuum distilled. The 1,3-Benzodioxole came over at 40-45ºC at 10 mbar then a yellow-green fluorescent oil (MDP2P) began distilling at 135ºC at 3 mbar.
8 grams of MDP2P was collected, corresponding to 45% yield from 2-Nitropropene or 23.5% from 1,3-Benzodioxole (calculated on the amount of 1,3-Benzodioxole not recovered during workup).
Reference: Tetrahedron Letters, Vol 29, No 24, pp. 2977-2978 (1988)
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oh god i tried to write a book about a wizard converting pipernol, and it was hard as fuckkkkk. dont know why, my character just cant grasp it.
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lol, I don't think I ever took that BZP stuff but it's legal in most countries, including my own so its kind of an xtc loophole
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the high is completly diffrent too. you can feel the kinda instant switches in "high" that it gives you, the comedown is fucking terrible, and the effects feel diluted.
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Hahaahaha....
Dude, when you synthesize true, pure, MDMA I'll inject 1 gram of it straight into my dick.
MDMA can only get up to 85% pure give or take. MDMA is easy to synth if you have chemistry knowledge and training. i wouldnt know however, this is all talk of course ;)
84%........................max,,
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Thats what I have heard, but some of the peeps on agora are getting up to 88 without washing or anything
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drug dealers are misrepresenting the quality of their product? That's scientifically impossible!
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:oface:
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drug dealers are misrepresenting the quality of their product? That's scientifically impossible!
Its not them testing, its a third party called the avengers. They have accesd to lab testing apparently. You never can tell with the drug game, but most everyone consifers them reliable.
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You're an idiot.
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Ive been told. my brain also isnt fully formed yet and im fucking 17. How about posting things that will give me knowledge so I can be less retarded
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Its not them testing, its a third party called the avengers.
seems legit
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Dr. Bruce Banner does the tests himself. Epitome of legit.
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Ohhh no no, the peeps username is "the avengers". Most speculate it is a private testing faciloty worker with acess to a drug purity machine thing.
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I speculate it's a faggot.
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I speculate it's a faggot.
Hah
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Wow fucking 10/10 hilarious. Literally creamed right now.
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Yea, I'm hilarious.
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Thanks for pointing out that it wasn't the actual comic book superhero team "the avengers" that's been testing and making ecstasy with MDMA concentrations at previously scientifically impossible levels.
Made you sound ridiculous for a second
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Thanks for pointing out that it wasn't the actual comic book superhero team "the avengers" that's been testing and making ecstasy with MDMA concentrations at previously scientifically impossible levels.
Made you sound ridiculous for a second
You are about as subtle as a dead santa on the lawn come christmas morn. But you are 100% right.
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Thanks for pointing out that it wasn't the actual comic book superhero team "the avengers" that's been testing and making ecstasy with MDMA concentrations at previously scientifically impossible levels.
Made you sound ridiculous for a second
they only test it :( im bassicly retarded anyway so whatever
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Thanks for pointing out that it wasn't the actual comic book superhero team "the avengers" that's been testing and making ecstasy with MDMA concentrations at previously scientifically impossible levels.
Made you sound ridiculous for a second
they only test it :( im bassicly retarded anyway so whatever
chemistry seems like a good fit for you
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You know it. I specialize in extracting meth from pieces of white trash carpet
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Hahaahaha....
Dude, when you synthesize true, pure, MDMA I'll inject 1 gram of it straight into my dick.
MDMA can only get up to 85% pure give or take. MDMA is easy to synth if you have chemistry knowledge and training. i wouldnt know however, this is all talk of course ;)
Just to make you look even more like an idiot.
Look how cool you've acted just two pages ago. LOL.
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if you took the time to learn the synth you would see that the final steps to transform MDP2P into MDMA are pretty easy. After that all you need to do is crystallize it and wash it. Of course my characters numbers are not even close to 80 before wash but its easily doable. The harfest part is sourcing precursors, but with the internet tats easy.
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if you took the time to learn the synth you would see that the final steps to transform MDP2P into MDMA are pretty easy. After that all you need to do is crystallize it and wash it. Of course my characters numbers are not even close to 80 before wash but its easily doable. The harfest part is sourcing precursors, but with the internet tats easy.
I can't wait until you order safrole on your credit card and get it delivered to your moms house
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Why the fuck would I order safrole instead of sassafras? Sass is less controlled and pretty easy to distill. Anyways its a moot point because like I said one step conversion is where its at. Lots of profit for minimal work. agora has many trusted sellers of precursors that are perfectly fine to use
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How are you going to get the equipment? That's pretty fucking important
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You know it. I specialize in extracting meth from pieces of white trash carpet
I specialize in this too. And I am proud of my skills.
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How are you going to get the equipment? That's pretty fucking important
I have everything that strike reccomended, with a few modifications since I brought off CL, except a magnetic hotplate, stir bar, a sepratory funnel, and I need to get another 500 ml flask since I only have 2. Its in a uhaul contanier right now till I figure out what my book character is gonna do with it.
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The piperine route to MDP2P is by far the best I've seen.
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The piperine route to MDP2P is by far the best I've seen.
Yes but hory shiet do you need to know your stuff for that. Would not reccomend for the amature chemist
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Hahaahaha....
Dude, when you synthesize true, pure, MDMA I'll inject 1 gram of it straight into my dick.
MDMA can only get up to 85% pure give or take. MDMA is easy to synth if you have chemistry knowledge and training. i wouldnt know however, this is all talk of course ;)
Just to make you look even more like an idiot.
Look how cool you've acted just two pages ago. LOL.
it would be interesting to see where he shows up
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Why the fuck would I order safrole instead of sassafras? Sass is less controlled and pretty easy to distill. Anyways its a moot point because like I said one step conversion is where its at. Lots of profit for minimal work. agora has many trusted sellers of precursors that are perfectly fine to use
sass isnt very easy to distill
you need a fraction column, a good vacuum pump, and a lab hot plate. idk why, ohh wait yes i do, it seems to me you would have trouble successfully sourcing baking soda and a coffee strainer.
let alone a watched essential oil and the rest of the lab ware needed.