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Society => Politics: Left, Right, and Center => Topic started by: Rizzo in a box on September 12, 2014, 11:11:03 pm
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Fuck yeah. This shit is going to happen. Can you believe the voting age is 16? Holy fuck what 16 year old doesn't want independence? The banks are so mad, too. Such sweet justice. Fuck yeah Scotland, do this shit.
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They'll be fucked within a week.
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I for one am fucking happy as fuck. My moms friend is flying back to scotland just so she can vote and this seems like one in a recent string of good things happening in my life and the world which leaves me very optimistic and shit. If they get it (insha Allah) it'll be the first foreign country I visit legally
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hopefully this starts a trend. there will be more non-countries wanting to be their own country after this. ireland comes to mind. several states in the US as well.
(insha Allah)
fuck allah (uncapitalized) and fuck muslims
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Everyone who votes yes should be impaled and displayed along the border as warning to anyone who may consider leaving the union. In the event that Scotland did gain independence, they would most definitely collapse under the mountain of unemployment and benefits given out to state sponging junkie smack heads.
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Either way it's going to be hilarious. If it goes well others will want to jump ship.
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Scotland to be ruined financially by banks and corporations and investors if declared independent
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/scottish-independence/11091801/Big-business-warned-of-day-of-reckoning-if-Scots-vote-Yes.html
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/economics/11093587/Investors-pull-17bn-from-UK-as-banks-ratchet-up-Scottish-independence-pressure.html
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telegraph?
They surely don't have a dog in the fight eh?
Truth is, even the opponents of independence admit GDP would grow 1-2K a year for 10 years, it's just a matter of what happens after and Scots being the smartest, toughest, most financially astute, sexiest and most capable of northern europeans, I think they'll be just fine.
Scotland's gonna be the first foreign country I visit for any length of time legally. U should come up from sheff m8 n well pop molly and ride trollys
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fuck allah (uncapitalized) and fuck muslims
this
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telegraph?
They surely don't have a dog in the fight eh?
Truth is, even the opponents of independence admit GDP would grow 1-2K a year for 10 years, it's just a matter of what happens after and Scots being the smartest, toughest, most financially astute, sexiest and most capable of northern europeans, I think they'll be just fine.
Scotland's gonna be the first foreign country I visit for any length of time legally. U should come up from sheff m8 n well pop molly and ride trollys
i will come anytime spa but i dont speak scottish so there may be a language barrier
do u still know mary
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u best come up I dont speak souser so well have to get a translator. I'll bring some fancy canadian rugs with me too
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LOL, Canadian rugs. You'll need those you fucking bums.
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. Can you believe the voting age is 16? Holy fuck what 16 year old doesn't want independence?
From what I've seen in polls a lot of young people are against independence. It's also pretty bullshit Scots living in England/Wales don't get to vote, even though they will surely be given citizenship in the case of independence.
It's a load of bollocks really. Slimy Alex Salmond, former oil exec, trying to get a piece of the action Norway has and Scotland isn't the same creature as a homogeneous Scandinavian nation at all. Say goodbye to all those nice benefits, free university education and the NHS and get ready for 20+ years of crushing hardship (seriously). For what?
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Sounds boring as dirt. Politics sux is boring and pointless.
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Can anyone explain how exactly Scottish independence is going to cause a great depression?
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Can anyone explain how exactly Scottish independence is going to cause a great depression?
The economy is soooo fucking fragile, it's actually going to collapse anyway. Anyway the banks are making a bunch of noise because they don't want Scotland to go the way of Iceland but no one who's been paying any attention believes a fucking word the banks say.
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Hahahahahahaha.
Fuck you, socialists.
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Why can't we have this much fun in America :-\
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Holy crap I've seen some ridiculous examples of vote rigging documented on camera, uploaded to youtube etc. not getting a lot of coverage in the mainstream press but oh man. who didn't see that coming?
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Holy crap I've seen some ridiculous examples of vote rigging documented on camera, uploaded to youtube etc. not getting a lot of coverage in the mainstream press but oh man. who didn't see that coming?
It would have been a disaster anyway. Here, read some grownup material: http://www.forbes.com/sites/davidnicholson/2014/03/05/5-reasons-why-scottish-independence-would-be-an-economic-disaster/
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Holy crap I've seen some ridiculous examples of vote rigging documented on camera, uploaded to youtube etc. not getting a lot of coverage in the mainstream press but oh man. who didn't see that coming?
It would have been a disaster anyway. Here, read some grownup material: http://www.forbes.com/sites/davidnicholson/2014/03/05/5-reasons-why-scottish-independence-would-be-an-economic-disaster/
haha I don't even have to read it, all I need to do is look at the link. a forbes article, explaining why it would be a disaster. no doubt more moaning by the banks. HAHAHAHAHA. I say.
lame, link won't allow me to go to the article for some reason. anyway I'm pretty confident on my guess.
hehe. "grown ups". you mean "amoral psychotic fraudsters". hehehe.
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Holy crap I've seen some ridiculous examples of vote rigging documented on camera, uploaded to youtube etc. not getting a lot of coverage in the mainstream press but oh man. who didn't see that coming?
It would have been a disaster anyway. Here, read some grownup material: http://www.forbes.com/sites/davidnicholson/2014/03/05/5-reasons-why-scottish-independence-would-be-an-economic-disaster/
That article is propaganda and a poorly guised attempt at using scare tactics. The idiot author referencing slavakia as an economic reason shows his cluelessnes
Even though they didnt get independence, supposedly theyre still going to get more autonomy related benefits
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Why can't we have this much fun in America :-\
Itll happen. There just needs to be something for a catalyst to make it happen.
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Can anyone explain how exactly Scottish independence is going to cause a great depression?
The economy is soooo fucking fragile, it's actually going to collapse anyway. Anyway the banks are making a bunch of noise because they don't want Scotland to go the way of Iceland but no one who's been paying any attention believes a fucking word the banks say.
Exactly. Anything the banks say is motivated to increase their profits at the expense of all else. If they say something you can guarantee the better idea would be to do the opposite
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Hahahahahahaha.
Fuck you, socialists.
tfw no thanks button
As a Unionist and a schadenfreude connoisseur, I'm pleased as punch with the result. Spent most of today laughing at photos of crestfallen independence supporters.
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Holy crap I've seen some ridiculous examples of vote rigging documented on camera, uploaded to youtube etc. not getting a lot of coverage in the mainstream press but oh man. who didn't see that coming?
Ugh not this shit again. Every time you types have an election go the other way you always run around screaming "IT WAS RIGGED!" with no supporting evidence whatsoever.
Get a grip.
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I think people need to stop allowing other people to represent them. I think the idea of Nations is retarded. We should just be a world of people that are free and independent. I represent myself. If you want to deal with me, you come see me, we'll work something out. lBut, when people tell me that I have to do something, because a bunch of guys I don't know agreed to it, well you can expect me to tell you to fuck off. I do what I want. I'm a pretty nice guy, so I try not to hurt people. We all sort of agree that shit like rape and murder and whatnot are no good. But, all of this other government policy bullshit... They can shove it up their ass. I never consented to any of this. I was born and I'm here, just like the rest ya'll. I got as much right as anyone. Fuck the system!
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I think people need to stop allowing other people to represent them. I think the idea of Nations is retarded. We should just be a world of people that are free and independent. I represent myself. If you want to deal with me, you come see me, we'll work something out. lBut, when people tell me that I have to do something, because a bunch of guys I don't know agreed to it, well you can expect me to tell you to fuck off. I do what I want. I'm a pretty nice guy, so I try not to hurt people. We all sort of agree that shit like rape and murder and whatnot are no good. But, all of this other government policy bullshit... They can shove it up their ass. I never consented to any of this. I was born and I'm here, just like the rest ya'll. I got as much right as anyone. Fuck the system!
gtfo hippie
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gtfo hippie
No thanks left
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all I need to do is look at the link. a forbes article, explaining why it would be a disaster. no doubt more moaning by the banks.\
Typical behavior of a leftist. You've been spending too much time around then and have become distorted by their influence. "I don't like the URL." Any excuse to justify your narrow mindedness.
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xactly. Anything the banks say is motivated to increase their profits at the expense of all else. If they say something you can guarantee the better idea would be to do the opposite
That's not necessarily true. For example, economist Bryan Caplan finds that the rich do have much more influence on government policy than the poor, and that in the aggregate this is a good thing because poor people tend to be fucking idiots with horrible beliefs and ideas about the world.
http://econlog.econlib.org/archives/2012/09/why_is_democrac.html
What makes you think that the average Scottish voter is so much better? Don't you think it's likely that commoners may choose policies that are bad for everyone?
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NERP
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lol did anyone read how excited UM was then they just voted no and also he's banned. im just pointing this out for lulz i actually like him but it's poetic justice for those who get so butthurt as to hate him.
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all I need to do is look at the link. a forbes article, explaining why it would be a disaster. no doubt more moaning by the banks.\
Typical behavior of a leftist. You've been spending too much time around then and have become distorted by their influence. "I don't like the URL." Any excuse to justify your narrow mindedness.
Chrome/google sarch address bar > cache:link
xactly. Anything the banks say is motivated to increase their profits at the expense of all else. If they say something you can guarantee the better idea would be to do the opposite
That's not necessarily true. For example, economist Bryan Caplan finds that the rich do have much more influence on government policy than the poor, and that in the aggregate this is a good thing because poor people tend to be fucking idiots with horrible beliefs and ideas about the world.
http://econlog.econlib.org/archives/2012/09/why_is_democrac.html
What makes you think that the average Scottish voter is so much better? Don't you think it's likely that commoners may choose policies that are bad for everyone?
Gee, when you're systematically oppressed and fucked out of money and education, yeah you might not have the best world view. However the rich, even if they are capable of making more intelligent decisions, are making their decisions solely in the interests of the big corporations that fill their pockets.
Typical behavior of a leftist. You've been spending too much time around then and have become distorted by their influence. "I don't like the URL." Any excuse to justify your narrow mindedness.
Who the fuck still uses terms like leftist? Get the fuck outta here.
Ugh not this shit again. Every time you types have an election go the other way you always run around screaming "IT WAS RIGGED!" with no supporting evidence whatsoever.
Get a grip.
Except I didn't start saying that until I saw some pretty clear cut evidence.
get a backbone, shill.
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However the rich, even if they are capable of making more intelligent decisions, are making their decisions solely in the interests of the big corporations that fill their pockets.
The standard self-interested voter hypothesis doesn't hold up. If by rich you mean the small fraction of a percentage that actually make their money mostly from corporations, and have political influence, then overall it's still less harmful than a dictatorship of the proletariat would be.
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However the rich, even if they are capable of making more intelligent decisions, are making their decisions solely in the interests of the big corporations that fill their pockets.
The standard self-interested voter hypothesis doesn't hold up. If by rich you mean the small fraction of a percentage that actually make their money mostly from corporations, and have political influence, then overall it's still less harmful than a dictatorship of the proletariat would be.
Riiiight. Less harmful than perpetual war, total dragnet surveillance, environmental destruction, infrastructure collapse, economic fraud and speculation, the erosion of all civil liberties...(all of which are in the interests of the multi-national corporations that run this planet)
I hardly see how the "proletariat" could make things much worse.
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However the rich, even if they are capable of making more intelligent decisions, are making their decisions solely in the interests of the big corporations that fill their pockets.
The standard self-interested voter hypothesis doesn't hold up. If by rich you mean the small fraction of a percentage that actually make their money mostly from corporations, and have political influence, then overall it's still less harmful than a dictatorship of the proletariat would be.
Riiiight. Less harmful than perpetual war, total dragnet surveillance, environmental destruction, infrastructure collapse, economic fraud and speculation, the erosion of all civil liberties...(all of which are in the interests of the multi-national corporations that run this planet)
I hardly see how the "proletariat" could make things much worse.
You people blame corporations and capitalism for everything. Look at the actual data, the poor are often more likely to support those policies. Do you really have a positive view of what the average poor person is like? Poor people are generally poor for a reason.
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However the rich, even if they are capable of making more intelligent decisions, are making their decisions solely in the interests of the big corporations that fill their pockets.
The standard self-interested voter hypothesis doesn't hold up. If by rich you mean the small fraction of a percentage that actually make their money mostly from corporations, and have political influence, then overall it's still less harmful than a dictatorship of the proletariat would be.
Riiiight. Less harmful than perpetual war, total dragnet surveillance, environmental destruction, infrastructure collapse, economic fraud and speculation, the erosion of all civil liberties...(all of which are in the interests of the multi-national corporations that run this planet)
I hardly see how the "proletariat" could make things much worse.
You people blame corporations and capitalism for everything. Look at the actual data, the poor are often more likely to support those policies. Do you really have a positive view of what the average poor person is like? Poor people are generally poor for a reason.
Poor people are manipulated quite easily by the rich because of the fact that they are undereducated and underinformed. Of course they'll support policies that are against their best interests when fat cat politicians using fear of terrorism and the promise of "jobs" and any other countless psychological tools they use.
Not only that, but it really doesn't matter whether those poor people support policies that contribute to the things I mentioned earlier, because it's the corporations that hire lobbyists that write the bills and then pay off the politicians to get them to vote for it.
Poor people aren't poor because there's anything inherently wrong with them, it comes down to a lack of education and opportunity. It's a simple facts that wages have not risen with the rest of the economy. It's not just "poor" people that are at a disadvantage, the middle class is shrinking and has far less purchasing power than it did decades ago.
But whatever, if you want to believe the disenfranchised and powerless majority is the cause of our social ills and not the people with actual power then that's your ignorant perogative.
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There are clear strong correlations with income/wealth and intelligence, personality variables, and even heredity and observed biological differences, on average. People with low IQs are far far more likely to be poor and criminal and this can't realistically be changed, efforts always fail due to refusing to accept or ignoring the genetic factor. Is it really that hard to accept that people who fall lower on the scale of positive traits will be much more likely to naturally be poor? When you really speak to long term poor you realize that they're generally unintelligent, vapid people, devoid of worthwhile thoughts.
Look at pop culture. Do you know why those low class tv programs, and the celebrity industry, make so much money and demand so much attention? It's not due to a conspiracy to brainwash everyone and make them stupid, it's simply a reflection of consumer demand, just like with food. The reality is that those are the tastes, the desires, of the common man due to their own endogenous stupidity.
I'm not afraid to say it. Fuck the poor!
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There are clear strong correlations with income/wealth and intelligence, personality variables, and even heredity and observed biological differences, on average. People with low IQs are far far more likely to be poor and criminal and this can't realistically be changed, efforts always fail due to refusing to accept or ignoring the genetic factor. Is it really that hard to accept that people who fall lower on the scale of positive traits will be much more likely to naturally be poor? When you really speak to long term poor you realize that they're generally unintelligent, vapid people, devoid of worthwhile thoughts.
Look at pop culture. Do you know why those low class tv programs, and the celebrity industry, make so much money and demand so much attention? It's not due to a conspiracy to brainwash everyone and make them stupid, it's simply a reflection of consumer demand, just like with food. The reality is that those are the tastes, the desires, of the common man due to their own endogenous stupidity.
I'm not afraid to say it. Fuck the poor!
Haha, wow, you really are that dumb. Yes, when you're given a substandard education, thrown into jail, have a substandard diet, among the many other problems "poor" people have to put up with...yeah, you might have a lower IQ or whatever other elitist form of judging a person you might have. That doesn't mean that there is something inherently wrong with poor people, or something inherently better about rich people who are given everything they could possibly want (and still turn into awful human beings).
Wasn't the American dream that anyone could work their way up from the bottom to the top? Wouldn't that dream make no sense to have if all poor people are inherently inferior?
Not that it matters, you don't really care about right or wrong or facts or anything else. You just want to be on the "winning" side so you can wave your dick around and act like you're not getting just as fucked by the rich as everyone else.
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There are clear strong correlations with income/wealth and intelligence, personality variables, and even heredity and observed biological differences, on average. People with low IQs are far far more likely to be poor and criminal and this can't realistically be changed, efforts always fail due to refusing to accept or ignoring the genetic factor. Is it really that hard to accept that people who fall lower on the scale of positive traits will be much more likely to naturally be poor? When you really speak to long term poor you realize that they're generally unintelligent, vapid people, devoid of worthwhile thoughts.
I'm extremely intelligent. I'm a fucking god. And, yet, I'm poor.
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Conscientiousness.
No, Rizzo, those factors do not account for the group differences of the poor.
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Oh, right. I obviously believe you now.
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My bloodline is shit. But, somehow I was born. It's a goddamn miracle.
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Except I didn't start saying that until I saw some pretty clear cut evidence.
Citation?
get a backbone, shill.
The shill gambit is a type of ad hominem and poisoning the well wherein one party dismisses the other's arguments by proclaiming them to be on the payroll of some agency. It usually goes something like this:
Alice: "There is absolutely no evidence that explosives were planted in the Twin Towers".
Bob: "Ah, I knew it, another Bush administration shill spreading disinfo! Go spew your lies somewhere else, shill!"
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There are clear strong correlations with income/wealth and intelligence, personality variables, and even heredity and observed biological differences, on average. People with low IQs are far far more likely to be poor and criminal and this can't realistically be changed, efforts always fail due to refusing to accept or ignoring the genetic factor. Is it really that hard to accept that people who fall lower on the scale of positive traits will be much more likely to naturally be poor? When you really speak to long term poor you realize that they're generally unintelligent, vapid people, devoid of worthwhile thoughts.
Look at pop culture. Do you know why those low class tv programs, and the celebrity industry, make so much money and demand so much attention? It's not due to a conspiracy to brainwash everyone and make them stupid, it's simply a reflection of consumer demand, just like with food. The reality is that those are the tastes, the desires, of the common man due to their own endogenous stupidity.
I'm not afraid to say it. Fuck the poor!
It isn't solely low IQs that causes people to fall into poverty or become criminals. Yes, there is a correlation, but by focusing on the individual you ignore external factors and alternative explanations, of which there can be many. It's also interesting that you think pop culture is purely a product of the desires and whims of the poor, which in turn stem from their lack of intelligence. Aside from the painfully obvious fact that tastes and desires are not a product of intelligence, this sort of deterministic view simply fails to account for the complexity of society. Pop culture, like any sort of culture, is shaped by forces in society as well as at the individual level. I honestly wouldn't go attacking the poor on the basis of their IQ while spouting these sort of half-baked ideas.
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And so Alex Salmond's dreams of an independent Scotland lay squashed like battered Mars Bar roadkill, smeared across Glaswegian tarmac. I now sincerely hope that Scottish MPs will soon be barred from voting on matters that solely affect England.
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fuck Scotland and britain
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And so Alex Salmond's dreams of an independent Scotland lay squashed like battered Mars Bar roadkill, smeared across Glaswegian tarmac.
I would lol if he does an hero.
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Gee, when you're systematically oppressed and fucked out of money and education, yeah you might not have the best world view.
lol, are we still talking about Scotland here, the spoilt, ungrateful brat of the UK?
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I was fucking sad to hear that Scotland didn't manage to get their independence back. Was crossing my fingers for them ever since I heard this vote would come to pass. Scots are probably the only people in the UK that I respect, although I haven't met the north irish yet.
What was really fucked was how a day or two before the vote, BBC ran an article about Scotland's military if it were to become independent and they simply said anyone could take them over. Nice fearmongering there BBC, no way am I trusting your news again you British fucks. Who the fuck would attack Scotland? Who wouldn't stand up for Scotland even if it were being attacked? Why would the BBC release a tabloid-level article just days before the vote? Slimy bastards.
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I'm punching anyone I see with bad teeth from now on
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I was fucking sad to hear that Scotland didn't manage to get their independence back. Was crossing my fingers for them ever since I heard this vote would come to pass. Scots are probably the only people in the UK that I respect, although I haven't met the north irish yet.
What was really fucked was how a day or two before the vote, BBC ran an article about Scotland's military if it were to become independent and they simply said anyone could take them over. Nice fearmongering there BBC, no way am I trusting your news again you British fucks. Who the fuck would attack Scotland? Who wouldn't stand up for Scotland even if it were being attacked? Why would the BBC release a tabloid-level article just days before the vote? Slimy bastards.
You are a cancer on common sense.