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Offline Hex535

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Empathy Vs. Outward Ego Conflictions.
« on: June 12, 2014, 01:46:05 PM »
To start this off, to get to the point, I am not depressed, I don't hate myself, and bias detected is subsequently present due to the fact that the subject is based off emotion/empathy and what happens when two persons Collide empathetically. This is mainly for point of observation and conjecture.

It's interesting, to me, so see what happens when we are thrown in close quarters and told to work together to make things happen. Whether be it for profit or for comfort, I specifically notice two types of persons when it comes down to what needs to be done.

We can call them A and B to keep it simple.

A can be best described like its letter. Alpha, something or someone with a force more-so prominent than B, less accepting and quicker to push against odds, precautions, and pressures to put themselves ahead constantly and consistently. This recklessness causes a greater chance of success regardless of emotional and personal values, but the risk factor is increased.

B is much more reserved. Things need order before execution, or at least need to be simple and clean. Outside thinking is there, but not on the fly always. Self perseverance of well being and comfort is usually a priority. Less likely to push at something with a low success rate, or something with a higher risk factor. May sit for long periods of time dwelling on a decision before acting, but B would never do something not worth the time.

For the record, there are all sorts more persona types that can be identified, but in mos cases, are a diverse amalgamation of the two above.


Now both types have a very specific Ego, like we all do, and what I tend to notice when one or any from type A (or subcategories) is forced into situations with B, there are unique conflicts based on specific empathy and ideology.

 A is more likely to try and push B into a position that will make A more comfortable through persuasions or bribes or even fear. This doesn't always mean A is corrupt, and disregarding core moral standpoint, A is just doing what comes naturally to be ahead.
B, in a reflex, is going to push back, but in a matter of disobedience, or sloth, or even outward anger. The instinct in B is to avoid anything that is a waste of time or resource, and to only do what B considers efficient. Again, Disregarding moral standpoint. This reaction is nothing more than a reflex in response to being pushed.

But trying to disregard moral standpoint all we want, the matter spirals off endlessly due to the variables presented by personal perception and, well, moral bias/standpoint. This is why the above can only be categorized as a conflict of Ego vs. our personal empathy and perception.

The main reason I take notice and try to understand such personal and interpersonal interactions, is so that I may better learn how to control these scenarios in a peaceful manner that will keep me and everyone who I meet comfortable, personable, and pleasant, and my idea for sharing these observations is that so hopefully you might all notice something or learn for personal gain as well.

Thanks for reading
Then this ebony bird beguiling my sad fancy into smiling,
By the grave and stern decorum of the countenance it wore.
Though thy crest be shorn and shaven, thou," I said, "art sure no craven,
Ghastly grim and ancient raven wandering from the Nightly shore —
Tell me what thy lordly name is on the Night's Plutonian shore!"
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Re: Empathy Vs. Outward Ego Conflictions.
« Reply #1 on: June 12, 2014, 03:23:36 PM »
Nice post!
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Re: Empathy Vs. Outward Ego Conflictions.
« Reply #2 on: June 12, 2014, 09:21:43 PM »
Good.

So how can we apply this knowledge? Give an example.


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« Reply #3 on: June 13, 2014, 01:58:47 AM »
We can apply this knowledge by first identifying persona via these genotypes and then using their predicted reactions and tells to better and more properly 'handle' them in a peaceable fashion.

TL;DR

We can use this to learn how to 'get along'.
Then this ebony bird beguiling my sad fancy into smiling,
By the grave and stern decorum of the countenance it wore.
Though thy crest be shorn and shaven, thou," I said, "art sure no craven,
Ghastly grim and ancient raven wandering from the Nightly shore —
Tell me what thy lordly name is on the Night's Plutonian shore!"
Quoth the Raven, "Nevermore."

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Re: Empathy Vs. Outward Ego Conflictions.
« Reply #4 on: June 15, 2014, 12:15:32 AM »
this sounds like another deranged excerpt from the DSM. 

attempts to quantify something that isnt quantifiable


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« Reply #5 on: June 15, 2014, 02:50:04 AM »
While seemingly random and unpredictable, I think it's possible to quantify human empathy into predictable variables and statistics. We are as finite as our numbers are, and past that means nothing.
Then this ebony bird beguiling my sad fancy into smiling,
By the grave and stern decorum of the countenance it wore.
Though thy crest be shorn and shaven, thou," I said, "art sure no craven,
Ghastly grim and ancient raven wandering from the Nightly shore —
Tell me what thy lordly name is on the Night's Plutonian shore!"
Quoth the Raven, "Nevermore."

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Re: Empathy Vs. Outward Ego Conflictions.
« Reply #6 on: June 15, 2014, 09:43:01 AM »
... and past that means nothing.

correct

as does the DSM

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« Reply #7 on: June 15, 2014, 11:42:39 AM »
what is the DSM? pardon my ignorance.
Then this ebony bird beguiling my sad fancy into smiling,
By the grave and stern decorum of the countenance it wore.
Though thy crest be shorn and shaven, thou," I said, "art sure no craven,
Ghastly grim and ancient raven wandering from the Nightly shore —
Tell me what thy lordly name is on the Night's Plutonian shore!"
Quoth the Raven, "Nevermore."

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« Reply #8 on: June 15, 2014, 03:45:49 PM »
what is the DSM? pardon my ignorance.

Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders


It provides a set of guidelines to classify mental disorders. It's not by any means without flaws, but it's the best we have at the moment.
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« Reply #9 on: June 15, 2014, 03:53:08 PM »
Why do we have to describe and diagnose emotions as 'disorders'? I don't understand that.
Then this ebony bird beguiling my sad fancy into smiling,
By the grave and stern decorum of the countenance it wore.
Though thy crest be shorn and shaven, thou," I said, "art sure no craven,
Ghastly grim and ancient raven wandering from the Nightly shore —
Tell me what thy lordly name is on the Night's Plutonian shore!"
Quoth the Raven, "Nevermore."

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« Reply #10 on: June 15, 2014, 04:09:48 PM »
Where did you see that? There are disorders that involve emotional issues such as depression, but emotions themselves aren't disorders.
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Re: Empathy Vs. Outward Ego Conflictions.
« Reply #11 on: June 15, 2014, 08:43:04 PM »
Where did you see that? There are disorders that involve emotional issues such as depression, but emotions themselves aren't disorders.
I think he's talking about the more questionable disorders such as ADD/ADHD.


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« Reply #12 on: June 15, 2014, 09:15:56 PM »
I can't see how that connects with what he asked.
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« Reply #13 on: June 15, 2014, 09:22:47 PM »
I can't see how that connects with what he asked.
I don't know. Hex posts while high as a kite.


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« Reply #14 on: June 16, 2014, 01:38:16 AM »
I just feel like a lot of mental disorders are just misinterpreted emotions.

The definition of a mental disorder is a chemical variance in the mind.

No two minds are chemically equal (with the exception of true genetic twins).

We all have a chemical variance, so therefore, by definition, we all harbor some kind of mental disorder.

This has to do with what I'm talking about in the original post because I don't think me analyzing the way people interact means I need to figure out what is wrong with them, it just means I need to figure out how to adjust my own scope in handling these said genotypes.

And I'm not always high Arnox just 75% of the time. Like right now I'm as straight as an arrow.
Then this ebony bird beguiling my sad fancy into smiling,
By the grave and stern decorum of the countenance it wore.
Though thy crest be shorn and shaven, thou," I said, "art sure no craven,
Ghastly grim and ancient raven wandering from the Nightly shore —
Tell me what thy lordly name is on the Night's Plutonian shore!"
Quoth the Raven, "Nevermore."